MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #10

[Donjeta]

In response to Donjeta,

Nope, my children are not light sleepers. I just can't figure out how this woman so completely got rid of her baby in the dead of night and no one heard or saw anything. She seems like an emotional basket case on tv. IOW, she's no Casey Anthony in my opinion. She either had help or she didn't do this in my opinion and I'm entitled to my opinion.

thanks

Everybody is always entitled to an opinion.

I don't think we've been informed that no one heard or saw anything but I could be wrong.

We wouldn't have so many unsolved crimes if someone always saw or heard something when people do unspeakable things at night.

 

[Cher352]

I didn't see it but read all (I thought!) the posts of those watching it live.

The preview linked only has the comment about Lisa's door.

Hoping that the whole show will be online (or transcript)...

IIRC he said they normally have all the BR doors shut at night but when he got home Lisa's door was open. Sounds like he didn't turn on her light and check at first but woke up DB and aked her why she left Lisa's door open. When she say she didn't that is when he went back to her room and found her missing.

 

[krimekat]

Good Morning! Hoping today is a good day for Baby Lisa.

As this story unfolds, I was getting confused with some of the family members emerging in the case.:crazy:
Compiled a quick list of "who's who" below; please point out any errors. Thanks!

DEBBI BRADLEY'S FAMILY - THOSE MENTIONED OR FEATURED IN MSM
-I believe Lisa's mom (also named Lisa) died 10 years ago.

-Lisa's dad, David Netz, Sr., defended the "itty bitty" gaps in her time line (I previously attributed it wrongly to Jeremy's dad). He also publicly stated that both Jeremy and Debbi are wonderful parents.

-Debbi's cousin, Mike Lerette, has been interviewed a few times and told the press that the couple had compiled a list of potential perp names for LE. He also told the press about a sighting tip in California.

-Sean Michael Bradley is Debbi's estranged husband and the father of her 5 or 6 year old son. SB was mentioned and his family members quoted in MSM reports regarding Debbi's background (on 10/8).


JEREMY'S FAMILY - THOSE MENTIONED OR FEATURED IN MSM

-Jeremy Irwin's parents (I believe Melanie and Rickey Irwin) did an early video interview pleading for the baby's return and have released photos to the media to help the public identify the baby.

-Jeremy's sister, Ashley Irwin, has acted as a family spokesperson on a few occassions and quickly denied LE's public announcement that her brother and Debbi had stopped cooperating with LE.

First off . . . Lisa's mother is Deborah

DN, Sr. must be Deborah's father ?

Remember TOS please - may be crossing over

 

[BeanE]

I didn't see it but read all (I thought!) the posts of those watching it live.

The preview linked only has the comment about Lisa's door.

Hoping that the whole show will be online (or transcript)...

Here are just a few of the posts about it. Sorry you missed them!

ela_ss teacher
Mom was specifically asked whether the door was closed on the room she was in. She stated, and I know I remember this, yes- they closed the door to all the rooms at night. I know for a fact she said that specifically.

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[curiositycat]

Good Morning! Hoping today is a good day for Baby Lisa.

As this story unfolds, I was getting confused with some of the family members emerging in the case.:crazy:
Compiled a quick list of "who's who" below; please point out any errors. Thanks!

DEBBI BRADLEY'S FAMILY - THOSE MENTIONED OR FEATURED IN MSM
-I believe Lisa's mom (also named Lisa) died 10 years ago.

-Lisa's dad, David Netz, Sr., defended the "itty bitty" gaps in her time line (I previously attributed it wrongly to Jeremy's dad). He also publicly stated that both Jeremy and Debbi are wonderful parents.

-Debbi's cousin, Mike Lerette, has been interviewed a few times and told the press that the couple had compiled a list of potential perp names for LE. He also told the press about a sighting tip in California.

-Sean Michael Bradley is Debbi's estranged husband and the father of her 5 or 6 year old son. S.M. Bradley was mentioned and his family members quoted in MSM reports regarding Debbi's background (on 10/8).


JEREMY'S FAMILY - THOSE MENTIONED OR FEATURED IN MSM

-Jeremy Irwin's parents (I believe Melanie and Rickey Irwin) did an early video interview pleading for the baby's return and have released photos to the media to help the public identify the baby.

-Jeremy's sister, Ashley Irwin, has acted as a family spokesperson on a few occassions and quickly denied LE's public announcement that her brother and Debbi had stopped cooperating with LE.

I think you meant Debi's deceased mom is named Lisa
Her dad is DN.

Don't worry, it's early, and I am brewing coffee as I write this.

 

[AnonymousD]

Unless they removed the SIM cards. Then, the cell phones won't ping at all.

I see all this talk about SIM cards, but not all cell phones have SIM cards.

If your carrier uses CDMA technology, they do not use SIM cards.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-sim-card.htm

ETA: Reading this a 2nd time it comes across as snarky & I totally didn't mean it that way. This is just something I thought about when I was reading through some of the first threads & I never said it.

 

[Cher352]

The posts I read of those watching it live only mentioned "women who had miscarriages...women with divorces...cheating on their husbands" (paraphrased, but it was all women). Which is interesting (if true)...surely they didn't only provide female names? Why did he only mention female persons in the interview? Maybe there's a good reason he didn't want to mention any male persons in the interview. Or it may mean nothing.

Regardless, if it had been me interviewed, I would have given a much more general answer!

But again, I didn't see anything but the preview.

You could read that the other way too, maybe there is a scorned female in his past.

 

[NancyA]

One would think. And to notify as many people as possible that she's been kidnapped and get her picture out so as many people as possible across the country will be looking for her and her abductor so she can be rescued!!

ETA: They're soooooo fortunate to have so many media people/outlets just dying to air Lisa's story and picture across the whole country. It's just astounding to me that, with an endangered, defenseless, kidnapped baby - they choose to go silent and turn their backs on that kind of critical help.

I look forward to hearing what their plan is for rescuing their baby without publicizing the fact that she's been abducted and is in critical danger.

The clock's ticking for poor baby Lisa

In fairness as I see it they can't really win, too much exposure and they get accusations of media-whoring themselves, so they pull themselves back and they get accused of hiding something or not trying hard enough. They have publicized the fact that the baby has been abducted yet the media seem to want to focus only on the implication by LE that 'the mom did it' and therefore many aren't buying the abduction so aren't going to bother looking. It's entirely possible the mom DID do it but right now, when there is NO evidence pointing either way, LE, the press and the public have a duty to at least give them the benefit of the doubt. The extended family print and hang posters and they're accused of putting them in the 'wrong' places at the 'wrong' times, they try to make t-shirts or set up a fund to get a reward they're accused of profiteering. Get a lawyer it's an admission of guilt, don't get a lawyer it's an admission of guilt. No they really can't win.

 

[curiositycat]

Good morning, everyone. I came here and the KCStar first to see if hopefully, the talk DB and JI had, had with police might have brought forth new information.

I pray this is the day we find an alive baby Lisa. Join me in praying for the safe return of that little angel.

I agree with others, btw, that think at least one of the phones is pinging in the area of the house.

Looking forward to seeing what the day brings!

 

[Cher352]

I see all this talk about SIM cards, but not all cell phones have SIM cards.

If your carrier uses CDMA technology, they do not use SIM cards.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-sim-card.htm

I know that Sprint doesn't use them and is Sprint big in KC due to their headquarters being there?

 

[Tuffy]

I think they aren't offering a reward because they basically "know" what happened. They're just collecting more data to prove their case.

Can the FBI offer a reward? I thought that had to be done outside of law enforcement?

 

[yllek]

Should this be Debbie's mom, Lisa's maternal grandmother?

MOO :twocents:

Thanks! You're quick. The post upthread was corrected.

 

[curiositycat]

You could read that the other way too, maybe there is a scorned female in his past.

I wonder about that too, could the break-in of his car a month ago, be related to that same thing.

I thought that was a really strange statement that they would put women who are cheating on their husbands as a possibility for someone who would take baby Lisa. Stranger still was that it was made by JI, a man:waitasec:

 

[JBean]

I didn't see it but read all (I thought!) the posts of those watching it live.

The preview linked only has the comment about Lisa's door.

Hoping that the whole show will be online (or transcript)...

Please post if you find transcripts. I would also like to read it as we do not have a direct link to the statements.
TIA

 

[BeanE]

I got a screen shot of the computer room. The window screen is against the wall on the floor. To me the opening looks large enough for a person to get through. I'm not sure why police stated that it wouldn't have been the entry point.

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-parents-talk-police-reward-fund/story?id=14698959

I'm trying to remember. I'm thinking that they said the screen was still in the window when Dad got home. That he said he tried to close the window, but couldn't because the screen was bent, and that it was in trying to close the window and being unable to that he noticed the bent screen.

Anybody else who watched remember that?

 

[yllek]

Corrections made and reposting. Thanks! Original post edited upthread as well.

DEBBI BRADLEY'S FAMILY - THOSE MENTIONED OR FEATURED IN MSM

- I believe Debbi's mom (also named Lisa) died 10 years ago.

-Debbi's dad, David Netz, Sr., defended the "itty bitty" gaps in her time line (I previously attributed it wrongly to Jeremy's dad). He also publicly stated that both Jeremy and Debbi are wonderful parents.

-Debbi's cousin, Mike Lerette, has been interviewed a few times and told the press that the couple had compiled a list of potential perp names for LE. He also told the press about a sighting tip in California.

-Sean Michael Bradley is Debbi's estranged husband and the father of her 5 or 6 year old son. S. B. was mentioned and his family members quoted in MSM reports regarding Debbi's background (on 10/8).


JEREMY'S FAMILY - THOSE MENTIONED OR FEATURED IN MSM

-Jeremy Irwin's parents (I believe Melanie and Rickey Irwin) did an early video interview pleading for the baby's return and have released photos to the media to help the public identify the baby.

-Jeremy's sister, Ashley Irwin, has acted as a family spokesperson on a few occassions and quickly denied LE's public announcement that her brother and Debbi had stopped cooperating with LE.

 

[Duke Fan4]

I went to bed with the teen on my mind. I do believe he is connected in some way.

 

[Just K]

I tried to watch the 2nd run of Judge J's show but kept nodding off so the questions on the top of my list today:

1) Talk on the thread of tracking dogs only being used....why weren't cadaver dogs used too if LE thinks the worse?

2) This breaking in of JI's truck last month is news to me. Was it his company truck or personal truck? What if anything was taken? Did he have any spare keys or a garage opener remote that was taken?

3) The window we assumed was the window that was open looks big enough for a person to fit through but if I heard correctly JI said on JJ's show that is wasn't big enough for a person?

These are good questions.

I'm thinking no "intruder," including the teen who knew the key code, came through the garage door... too much of a risk as these doors are very noisy and sometimes even rattle/rumble the floor. But, of course mom would just say she and the boys didn't hear anything.

In one of the very fist Nightline stories, the cameras showed LE pointing out the window and it was just your average-sized bedroom window. The type found on many 1950s 0r 1960s ramblers. Definitely an adult could get through that window...unless it was blocked by furniture on the inside but then how did Dad even notice it if that was the case?

Which brings us to another question. Where did he park his work truck and what door did he come in? Was that usual?

 

[Cazzie]

Wow. Several of us were talking about it. It was Deb who said it.

Admittedly, I was tired but was avidly reading, I promise.

Did you watch the whole show (wish I could have)?

 

[elepher50]

DEBBI BRADLEY'S FAMILY - THOSE MENTIONED OR FEATURED IN MSM

- I believe Debbi's mom (also named Lisa) died 10 years ago.

-Debbi's dad, David Netz, Sr., defended the "itty bitty" gaps in her time line (I previously attributed it wrongly to Jeremy's dad). He also publicly stated that both Jeremy and Debbi are wonderful parents.

-Debbi's cousin, Mike Lerette, has been interviewed a few times and told the press that the couple had compiled a list of potential perp names for LE. He also told the press about a sighting tip in California.

-Sean Michael Bradley is Debbi's estranged husband and the father of her 5 or 6 year old son. S. B. was mentioned and his family members quoted in MSM reports regarding Debbi's background (on 10/8).


JEREMY'S FAMILY - THOSE MENTIONED OR FEATURED IN MSM

-Jeremy Irwin's parents (I believe Melanie and Rickey Irwin) did an early video interview pleading for the baby's return and have released photos to the media to help the public identify the baby.

-Jeremy's sister, Ashley Irwin, has acted as a family spokesperson on a few occassions and quickly denied LE's public announcement that her brother and Debbi had stopped cooperating with LE.

Actually Deborah's dad is David Netz, Jr