MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #10

[Gardenlady]

I don't know too many men out there who are cheating on their husbands....

To be fair, I'm sure there's some here in blue state Massachusetts

 

[momtective]

So this unidentified person is sitting on the porch - and I don't see his head is in his hands at all, but somehow you've decided this is the teen, and that he's involved in Lisa's disappearance based on this picture?

Mind blowing.

Feel free to ignore me. :wink:

 

[AnonymousD]

So far as I remember, LE has consistently refused to comment.

Yes, in last night's interview w/ the Captain he said he would not comment. He also said that the parents were allowed to say whatever they desired.

 

[curiositycat]

Maybe. I don't know. The beauty of opinions on things is that everyone has a different one, and some have none at all.

I feel your pain GL. Some folks have the ability to look at something and see things beneath the surface, it's a bit of intuition. Others don't understand because they may not have that ability, while they may be gifted in other areas.

I think it's as much of a curse as a blessing for that very reason. :blowkiss:

 

[tlcya]

Oh goodness. I went to bed around midnight last night and check in this morning and find I must have missed alot. Can someone point me to any links that cover any new developments so I can read up on what is going on before trying to comment.

I see that there has been discussion of the possible teen that was questioned and I want to make sure I acquaint myself with the facts as reported before commenting. Given the warnings I note from the mods, the teen angle is one that could easily spiral off into disallowed territory and I do not want to be a part of the problem.

TIA to any who can point me to MSM coverage that would include the photo being discussed and facts that CAN be discussed.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

I read in a Fox News article that they are setting up a "trust fund". Oy vey. De ja vu.

it's called a "Benefit Trust Fund" in order to obtain donations from the public. Not a "death" trust fund. Usually money collected goes towards a reward for information leading to the SAFE recovery of the child. If the child is located not alive, then the money is usually understood to go towards funding a memorial service and converts to a "trust fund" perhaps to a donation of a similar cause, organization, or for the family for medical assistance (psychological) if no insurance. Course that all depends on how much is gathered in donations. Other families may use that money towards search efforts or to fund "events" to get word out about their missing child. Either way...it can vary and is usually described quite clearly to the public as to what the money will be used towards. Hope this answers your thoughts.

 

[STEADFAST]

I didn't see it in the timeline -- Do we have a time when Lisa was last seen by someone besides her family or this unidentified teenager?

 

[BeanE]

Not sleuthing him at all Kimster...but we all read different things into what we see in pictures and there has been some information about him released in the media.

I'm lost. Where was the person in the picture identified as the teen who had the DNA taken?

 

[grandmaj]

Thank you. Had anyone shown a pic of me in front of my home in my youth...they would have assumed I would not amount to much. I had no choice and was quite ashamed of the condition of my home. Never brought anyone home. Thankfully, I am living proof that you can climb out of the projects. A great education can do that for you, and thank you to the State of Georgia DFCS, Georgia schools and UGA for the full ride. Be proud to stand in front of my home in a pic today.

The child involved will either be outed by LE as a suspect or not. Until then, I just feel bad for him.

I grew up in a small town and our home was not the best. It was warm, it was filled with love but we were poor. I have fond memories of that home because I knew I was loved and that my parents gave me values and saw to it that I had what I needed. Not what I wanted but what I needed. This teen is not responsible for being born into a home that does not meet our "standards". I was embarrassed as a child by the outside of my home, my father ran a used car part business in the rear of the property. Yes a junk yard. But, he was there taking care of us, he was loving and we had tons of home-made fun and the outside, I learned years later isn't what makes us who we are. I have fond memories of that old home and helping Dad fix it up as I grew older. I was a straight A student and through eduction for myself I was able to provide more for my family and I have been quite successful in life.

A house is a house. A home is a home.

 

[keeponsearching]

Respectfully, this is circular logic. You are suggesting that, because it did NOT look like an intruder, it probably was an intruder, and this exonerates mom. Let's reverse this: if the lights were turned off, the door locked, the cell phones in place, would you then say that these facts implicate mom?

No. I was just pointing out that it could go both ways, why lights are on, or why cells are missing. Everyone thinks different ideas which is good.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

Hopefully they are going through the family computer...I don't recall seeing them taking that out of the house ? Does anyone know if that transpired? Many clues are found on the family computer and Deborah was on it that night as she left that window open. Could she have posted her husband was away on a night shift job?

 

[JBean]

Wow. I see absolutely none of that. I wouldn't be able to even guess at a single emotion a single person in that picture was feeling, even if my life depended on it.

I definitely don't see anything to indicate anything is confrontational, heated, serious, overwhelmed, scared, or upset.

Just... wow, GardenLady. I just don't see how you are getting all that out of that picture. I must be completely brain dead.

I am sure you are not brain dead beane! I think different people take different things from pictures. Why something strikes one person one way and someone else another is hard to define.
Shoot think how many times you and I and others have looked at the exact same information and interpreted it completely differently. What is it? daily? LOL

 

[annalia]

Yes, being fingered as the suspect in a child's disappearance would be profoundly upsetting to anyone. If the teen is innocent, that would be emotionally devastating. I don't know how well I would have been able to handle a situation like that at that age. I think I would seriously come unglued!

The teen was fingered as the suspect?? Where does this come from, I haven't heard that.

As far as the teen, unless I missed it and LE said he or she was a suspect, this could be nothing more than LE being thorough. They knew the teen was there and anyone close to the home or family would undoubtedly be questioned. I don't even see taking DNA necessarily as evidence that LE say the teen is a suspect.

JMHO

 

[SuziQ]

So the person in the pic is the teen that had the DNA taken? How do we know that?

TIA

It's been vetted locally.

 

[BeanE]

See, that is the thing. The public does not even know if the person on the steps is a person even related to the case at all.

It is pure speculation that the teen, who was questioned and the teen whose DNA sample was taken are even the same teen.

In addition, the public doesn't even know if the teen, in question, is male or female.

Or if the teen, in question, is the same teen as has been stated to have been in the house earlier in the day.

So far, everything about "the teen" is all speculation.

That's what I was afraid of. Whoever that person is in the picture, I really feel sorry for him or her. Most especially if he or she is a minor.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

I didn't see it in the timeline -- Do we have a time when Lisa was last seen by someone besides her family or this unidentified teenager?

7:30 pm by mom and brothers. That is when she was put to bed.

10:30 pm mom checked on baby Lisa before she went to bed. Closed her bedroom door following and went to bed with her six year old son, the new stray kitten while the 8 year old son of Jeremy went to bed in the other bedroom. (his and six year old's bedroom.Albeit, as stated above six year old went with mom.)

 

[curiositycat]

I grew up in a small town and our home was not the best. It was warm, it was filled with love but we were poor. I have fond memories of that home because I knew I was loved and that my parents gave me values and saw to it that I had what I needed. Not what I wanted but what I needed. This teen is not responsible for being born into a home that does not meet our "standards". I was embarrassed as a child by the outside of my home, my father ran a used car part business in the rear of the property. Yes a junk yard. But, he was there taking care of us, he was loving and we had tons of home-made fun and the outside, I learned years later isn't what makes us who we are. I have fond memories of that old home and helping Dad fix it up as I grew older. I was a straight A student and through eduction for myself I was able to provide more for my family and I have been quite successful in life.

A house is a house. A home is a home.

You brought a tear to my eye with that one GM. So true, a family is a home, not the size or condition of the house.

 

[HatesSociopaths]

Sorry BeanE I missed this, thread moving fast again.

I think the teen is involved based on other factors listed before (fits details we know, DNA sample taken, etc) but the picture says a lot to me based on the posture of the people in it. They appear pretty confrontational in the group on the left, or at least heated or quite serious. The person alone on the step seems overwhelmed, scared, or upset.

So it's not that the pic is evidence of involvement, just says a lot going on, and something serious going on there, to me.

Maybe the "something serious" is that they are investigating the disappearance of a baby.

This teen has nothing to do with this until implicated by LE. Asking for DNA is routine, it helps narrow things down. It doesn't mean he is involved. I think we should heed what the mods are asking here.
:innocent:
:twocents:
:seeya:

 

[BeanE]

Our verified local ID'd the house as the one the teen lives in.

Ah okay. I missed that. Wow. Poor kid if he has nothing to do with what happened to Lisa.

 

[SuziQ]

IIRC,The DNA taken was reported by media days ago. I couldn't begin to try to find the link now.

ETA: might have come out more currently. Days are running together!