MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #12

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Now I wonder if the window latch thing is why they searched the burned dumpster and the landfill.

If mom staged it ,the latch is somewhere but not on the outside because she would have left the latch laying there or thrown it away because the the screen never came all the way off.

If an abductor pryed the screen back the latch would be in the yard. Somewhere ,if the screen came all the way off.

In police terms anyway. The latch ,if thats what is being looked for (and I cannot think of anything else) should be in the yard.

I think they probably were searching the landfill for Lisa. I could be wrong, but it's a big dump and it's probably crucial to get in and search the trash from a specific area prior to it being covered up with more trash. I could be wrong, but Deffenbaugh trash dump isn't call Trash Mountain for no reason.

They also searched the river area across from the dump, which is Edwardsville.
 
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MOO ...

BBM: I'm not buying it either ...

Here's what an "intruder" would have to overcome to get Baby out with NO ONE hearing or seeing anything :

1. Open the screen / window without any noise that would wake up someone in the house, or maybe even a neighbor could hear.
2. Open the screen / window without any neighbors or passers-by seeing intruder open the screen / window while "breaking" into house.
3. Lights -- did intruder need more light to see, was there enough light for intruder ?
4. While in the house ... NOT be heard by the Mother or anyone else in the house.
5. While in the house ... NOT be heard by the Dog - even if dog is in yard -- dogs "sense" "danger" !
6. Keep a 10 month old Baby QUIET, so baby's cries do not wake up anyone else in house.
7. Walk through house from Baby's room ... see what intruder can "steal" ... "steal" the 3 cell phones sitting on the counter... and hope these 3 cell phones do NOT ring.
8. Unlock front door and make sure that while unlocking the front door, it does not wake someone in house up.
9. Exit house and make sure no one in house sees or hears intruder leaving.
10. Exit house and make sure none of the neighbors or passers-by see intruder leaving with Baby ...

Now ... the intruder could have taken the phones first, then baby ... either way, intruder has a lot of to do without being seen or heard ...

IMO ... if an "intruder" just kidnapped Baby Lisa, and did not take 3 cell phones ... maybe ...

I'm still stuck on the 3 cell phones ... and particularly, Baby Lisa NOT CRYING if she was taken by an "intruder".

MOO ...

In this morning's Today Show report with ML an the ex FBi guy there is a shot of the front door and there is a storm door, too. So, you can add that to the list of things/obstacles and chances for making a noise.
 
  • #1,043
..no, they have not.

..tweets yesterday said they were not at the racetrack handing out flyers/selling t-shirts or present at the evening vigil.

How terribly sad!

I'd love to say that it speaks volumes but I would get bashed by others. LOL Seriously, I do suppose some people don't know what to do when their child is missing and, quite possibly, they could have held their own vigil with their sons.

Do they need to find support in organizations that know what to do in missing child cases? Or are they having rest days and really they don't want this baby found?
 
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I can see changes in a story such as I wore my blue jacket that day , to No I think it was my Black jacket,

But I drove up a "KNEW SOMETHING WAS WRONG" So I right away checked on the kid and notice Lisa was missing and started calling her name. "

To "I Drove up and "KNEW SOMETHING WAS WRONG" So, I walked through the house and started turning off lights and when I got to the computer room i noticed the window was open and I tried to fix it and the screen was , so I couldn't close it...

I noticed this was one of the change After LE had told him what they found when they dusted the window and told him they didn't think the window was the point of entry...


Thats kind of a big change...
 
  • #1,045
Thank you very much for this! :)

You're welcome. And if I can get out of here, I am going to poke around that area later today.
 
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Here's a fact: Lisa's parents have not been named suspects by LE.

There is likely a good reason they haven't been named "suspects." Here is an article about it, plus I would add it is a sure way to get the people to "lawyer up" and not cooperate. MOO.

When the "Suspect" Designation Wreaks Injustice: The Richard Jewell Case

No one seems to know who coined the term "person of interest." But it is not hard to trace the root cause of the designation's relatively recent popularization. It started with a lawsuit, specifically the lawsuit of Richard Jewell, the security guard whom the FBI outed as a suspect in the Atlanta Olympic Park bombing investigation.

After the government dropped Jewell's name to the press, Jewell became the immediate target of fevered speculation. Hordes of journalists subjected his life to the unrelenting proctological examination that has become commonplace with the advent of cable news and its insatiable appetite for sensational stories.

As it turned out, the FBI eventually figured out that Jewell had done nothing wrong. But in the meantime, its act of naming him as a suspect in this notorious crime left his life and reputation in tatters.

Once exonerated, Jewell sued a bunch of his accusers and achieved some substantial settlements. NBC paid him more than $500,000 to settle a suit stemming from comments by news anchor Tom Brokaw that suggested that the FBI must have had significant evidence against Jewell, given that it had named him.

The lesson the police and press gleaned from the Jewell debacle, however, was not the right one. They should have learned that prematurely naming suspects is a really bad idea - as is suggesting that suspects must have been named because there's strong evidence against them.

But what the police and press learned, instead, was simply that using the loaded term "suspect" opens the door to potential legal liability.

Thus, a euphemism was born. After all, calling someone a "person of interest" doesn't suggest official suspicion or evidence of guilt. Wink; wink.

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/lazarus/20050526.html
 
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Then how come no google search pertaining to this case comes up with this spelling? If you type NETTS you will get all sorts of info even pics of Debra Netz/Netts Bradley?

I got quite a bit with the search. Try spelling the first name Deborah, I think that's how I found some things.
 
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They did have metal detectors combing the yard
 
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Has anyone heard if anything other than baby Lisa and the phones are missing? Like a Blanket or jacket maybe? It is Oct. and if someone were stealing a baby wouldn't they want to conceal the baby somewhat in a blanket or something?

If Lisa was taken out with just her clothes, but was spotted in a man's arms in a diaper only, Where are the clothes? Burnt in the dumpster? If I were LE I would try to get all the information I could on the make and manufacturer of the outfit. Perhaps a picture shows her in this outfit. This could help manufacueres to determine what material the clothes were made of. Then, a chemical analysis of the burnt dumpster residue might reveal something. The house also needs to be searched for this outfit. Also, try to pinpoint where this outfit was bought and by who and where. This could be really important.
 
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I thought it was Nettz...but I guess in the scheme of things it really doesn't matter...
 
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Then how come no google search pertaining to this case comes up with this spelling? If you type NETTS you will get all sorts of info even pics of Debra Netz/Netts Bradley?

called tags or smartlinks . . . Google thrives on them
 
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After reading all the threads and almost all articles: I cannot believe how many times the parents story have changed.
"Boys sleeping in their own beds, 5 year old sleeping with mom, dad checking in on baby then going to mom waking her and asking where baby is, dad going into mom's room asking why all the lights are on, dad finding "window" open then noticing screen bent, dad saying "windows" were opened, parents calling 911 from neighbors house, parents using dad's work phone to call 911, etc, etc, etc."
I could go on and on. If the parents are not involved, why do their stories differ soooo much?
 
  • #1,054
Ok, so not quite 6 pm PST yet! LOL!

I have to say that I would know something was wrong immediately too. I had a burglary, and knew. Hard to explain, but when I got out of the car, I had this eery feeling.

Not key, but Kyron! :)
 
  • #1,055
Maybe they are Calling the Phones!!! Hoping to hear one ring.

After this amount of time wouldn't the phones be dead?

Not to be contradictory, just a question since I never go that long without charging mine.
 
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i have Fox News on in the background while i'm reading this thread and on Shepard Smith just now they had a segment about baby Lisa, he said that LE did the reenactment a half dozen times and couldn't reenact it like the parents said it happened. first time i've heard "half dozen times." could be conjecture on Shepard Smith's part.
 
  • #1,058
After reading all the threads and almost all articles: I cannot believe how many times the parents story have changed.
"Boys sleeping in their own beds, 5 year old sleeping with mom, dad checking in on baby then going to mom waking her and asking where baby is, dad going into mom's room asking why all the lights are on, dad finding "window" open then noticing screen bent, dad saying "windows" were opened, parents calling 911 from neighbors house, parents using dad's work phone to call 911, etc, etc, etc."
I could go on and on. If the parents are not involved, why do their stories differ soooo much?

It could be the reports of what the parents say, not the actual thing that they do say...I've read quite a few dense things said by reporters in a lot of cases.
 
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Can anyone think of a reason why JI has not been given a polygraph? He has said he is willing to take one. I don't understand why LE would polygraph the Mom but not the Dad. Even if JI has an alibi, that would not necessarily mean he doesn't have knowledge of what took place.

I agree, that seems very strange to me. I mean why not give him one,
just to rule him out as having any knowledge ? It makes me wonder if
they have some sort of actual evidence that Mom is lying to them.
 
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I thought it was Nettz...but I guess in the scheme of things it really doesn't matter...

Sounds to me that LE knows the parents are involved. The sense of urgency and danger that is usually associated with a stranger abduction seems to have vanished over the weekend and has been replaced with a child that is missing only to the rest of us and the parents know where she can be found.

JMO
 
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