MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #12

[EllaMae]

Do we know if there was any discord in the relationship of the parents?
could they of had a fight after the party (2 days before) and baby Lisa got accidently hurt and they were to afraid to call 911 and she died?
so they told grandpa she was sick and made up all of this?

Lisa's grandfather knew she had a cold. He said she was a little fussy that day. He was there at the party with her.

 

[mrsu]

OK I was just at that update FB. What a mess. They are fighting and calling each other out and unfounded rumors have come from there in the past. So for now let's wait to see what the news reports on the teen. We have to be careful about sleuthing minors.

grandma...am I allowed to ask if there are any verified locals here who can confirm if the teen questioned was a male or female?

I realize there is bickering on the page. I've been wading through that crap and only trying to read the credible information. FWIW, the person who has posted said she lived on the street. :innocent:

 

[grandmaj]

That window bothers me. What if the window screen was not pushed in but pulled in from someone standing in that room?? And baby Lisa was handed out through the window? She would fit through a bent in screen where as an adult would not fit through that area without actually removing the screen right?

If this is the case there are 2 people involved though.

 

[yllek]

IIRC...one of LE's biggest pieces of incriminating evidence was that the house was very messy. But Mrs. Aisenberg's friends told LE that she was just that way. She didn't worry about her house, and that was nothing new. She wasn't a good housekeeper way before she had Baby Sabrina.

I rememer that Ella. You're right. Also, there was a lot of concern about the alarm not being set that night, but the Aisenbergs insisted that the alarm came with the house and they had never used it.

I'm on the fence about the Aisenberg case but always hope that Sabrina is alive and well-cared for, somewhere...

 

[Miziree]

Maybe the person was already in the house hiding out and heard when mom started snoring? I have seen my husband wake up from a dead sleep to a noise but sleep through all other types stuff. Either way it would be easy to climb into window IMO. They might replace the screen to not alert neighbors?

It would make since if you were watching a place to wait a few hours after all the lights were out to be sure they were in deep sleep. Maybe in woods or even someone visiting or living close by who would not look out of the norm...

I've said it before in this thread but there was a show called "It takes a thief" He could enter a house and rob it in 15 minutes. Made me see how easy someone could get in and out http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/ittakesathief/about/about.html

If this person is someone who has been in the house before it would only take minutes to climb in window, grab baby Lisa, Go through kitchen turning on light to see (or was on from kids like posted before) grabbed phones (possibly to throw of direction) and left out front door.

I'm still seeing the parents as victims then suspects but that is just me.

All In My Own Opinion!!!

 

[Ada]

IIRC...one of LE's biggest pieces of incriminating evidence was that the house was very messy. But Mrs. Aisenberg's friends told LE that she was just that way. She didn't worry about her house, and that was nothing new. She wasn't a good housekeeper way before she had Baby Sabrina.

Messy house equals child killer? Oh man, am I in trouble!

 

[Celeste]

Do we know if there was any discord in the relationship of the parents?
could they of had a fight after the party (2 days before) and baby Lisa got accidently hurt and they were to afraid to call 911 and she died?
so they told grandpa she was sick and made up all of this?

It's possible. Parties/family events tend to be stressful, especially when you have small children.

 

[grandmaj]

If a verified local knows from a credible source they can say male or female yes. But we can't sleuth the person other than what is in the news.

 

[Irish_Eyes]

Awesome, awesome timeline. Many thanks.


1) What bothers me is why was the 6 year old in bed with her and not the baby? The sick baby? I can't imagine putting a sick baby to bed in another room. But that's just me. I'd want my baby close, where I could attend to her needs and make sure she's okay throughout the night.

2) BTW, anyone know whether the dad's 8 year old was there? And I saw a report that stated the dad got custody of the 8 year old and was ruthless about it, IIRC. Does the 8 year old visit his mother? Is he with neighbors or is he with his mom? If with neighbors, why not with his own mother? I'd like to know more about the custody situation and if there is any rage going on there.

(snipped, numbered, and bolded by me)

1) I never saw the need to have my daughter in bed with me for just a simple cold. I keep her monitor on and check on her a bazillion times, but she's comfortable in her own bed, and I'd be worried she'd climb or fall out of my bed. That, and my husband snores something awful sometimes. If she was miserable I guess that would be different, but she's really never been sicker than a mild cold, knock on wood. On the other hand, when my son was six, sometimes he would wake up in the night and come crawl into my bed if he got scared or had a bad dream....sometimes I didn't even know he was there until I woke up in the morning.

2) Re: the bold above, I posted something similar earlier. It's the one thing about this case that I'm kind of hung up on.....

 

[nurselady]

grandmaj,every time I see your Avatar,it appears to be dancing faster,and faster..This thread has been moving so fast,don't have a clue how y'all are keeping up!!!

 

[EllaMae]

Goodnight everyone. I have to try and get some sleep now.

But to tell you the truth....all this talk about intruders roaming around in the night has me completely creeped out. I'll probably wake up to the slightest noise now.



Please let Baby Lisa come home tomorrow!!!

 

[SuziQ]

That window bothers me. What if the window screen was not pushed in but pulled in from someone standing in that room?? And baby Lisa was handed out through the window? She would fit through a bent in screen where as an adult would not fit through that area without actually removing the screen right?

If this is the case there are 2 people involved though.

Wouldn't it make more sense that the exit was made through the front door?

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Messy house equals child killer? Oh man, am I in trouble!

My youngest daughter is in so much trouble then. I was over watching her kids for a few minutes today and pointing out the chips on the floor to the dog to eat. LOL LOL LOL

 

[twall]

I didn't follow this case the first 2 days so I want to ask if there were any reports of LE doing the through the window experiment before today? If not, what took so long? Were they focusing on mom too much and ignoring the intruder angle? I noticed in the early photos there are blue bins (recycling?) next to the front porch and now they are gone. They would make a great step for climbing in a window. I made DH watch the window video and told him "this is why you need to lock the window when you close it, not just close it!" (he has a bad habit of that) I am a stickler about closing the windows and securing them at night. Our home does not have adequate shade so when the sun goes down and it is cool outside our house is still very warm but I would rather shut the windows and pay for the a/c to run than have someone come in my home and have something awful happen. We live a few miles from a state park that has a small male correctional facility within it and low security. Inmates have walked away before. Non-violent offenders but ya never know!

 

[Miziree]

That window bothers me. What if the window screen was not pushed in but pulled in from someone standing in that room?? And baby Lisa was handed out through the window? She would fit through a bent in screen where as an adult would not fit through that area without actually removing the screen right?

If this is the case there are 2 people involved though.

I wonder if a small woman could have passed through that screen...I also would LOVE to hear the 911 calls that was made...

 

[yllek]

:countsheep:

Hoping tomorrow is the day that Lisa is found...

 

[sunflowerchick]

So I assume nothing new? Just checking in before bed... I keep hoping to come and find that she has been found. I'm still on the fence but as time goes by, I just don't know.

 

[katydid23]

True but the only one who is the bio child of both these parents also.

I am not sure if an intruder could successfully take the 8 yr old boy w/out being discovered. He would have put up a noisy fight. imo

 

[grandmaj]

grandmaj,every time I see your Avatar,it appears to be dancing faster,and faster..This thread has been moving so fast,don't have a clue how y'all are keeping up!!!

:floorlaugh: You are too funny.

 

[wfgodot]

I didn't follow this case the first 2 days so I want to ask if there were any reports of LE doing the through the window experiment before today? If not, what took so long? Were they focusing on mom too much and ignoring the intruder angle? I noticed in the early photos there are blue bins (recycling?) next to the front porch and now they are gone. They would make a great step for climbing in a window. I made DH watch the window video and told him "this is why you need to lock the window when you close it, not just close it!" (he has a bad habit of that) I am a stickler about closing the windows and securing them at night. Our home does not have adequate shade so when the sun goes down and it is cool outside our house is still very warm but I would rather shut the windows and pay for the a/c to run than have someone come in my home and have something awful happen. We live a few miles from a state park that has a small male correctional facility within it and low security. Inmates have walked away before. Non-violent offenders but ya never know!

They were certainly making a show of it today, perhaps in case in a jury trial the defense suggests his or her client was focused on at the expense of other possible suspects. I think it was a CYA exercise in front of cameras, basically.