MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #12

[kantoo]

OT for one second....LOL, I have never been able to even pronounce WFGODOT so I have never figured it out,lol.
Sorry for the OT again. My bad. Back to lurking.

Waiting For Godot?

whatever, i enjoy wfgodot's posts (eta: i got it right!)

luv beaches:

i thought i read somewhere that Jeremy had recently had a job in Edwardsville? anyone else read that?

 

[MissJames]

I don't know this for sure, because there are many missing children who have not been found; we don't know what the circumstances were in those cases. Some of those children could well have died accidently, overdosed, or some other way and parents reacted badly.

Would you?

 

[Soulmagent]

I too want to know exactly how the Dad (jeremy) found the house, step by step. Did you first note that the door was not locked, then look and see the screen (?) ajar, messed, broke, bent, on the ground, on the floor of the house, just exactly what did he come home too, and what did he do first,second third and so on. and not told randomly.

IMO I think they are looking for the metal clip from the screen being pryed out on the outside.

The screen catch thing that locks into the holes to hold it to the window frame.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

BBM. I really agree with you here. I'm afraid LE knows exactly what happened and that is why we aren't seeing a reward offered or hearing many details that could help in finding Lisa. I'm also afraid that "reinactment" yesterday was simply to disporove the intruder theory for a future court date. From the screen cap I saw the "perp" was requiring help to get in the window so they either proved that 2 people were there for the abduction or that it simply didn't happen as reported/thought. It is unbelievable enough that ONE person took this baby and left NO trace of themself but TWO? Even I can't buy that.

BBM: I agreee ... the "re-enactment" yesterday was to either 'prove' or 'disprove' the "intruder theory".

I believe LE knew what the outcome would be -- BUT -- in order for their investigation to be "thorough" investigation ... they had to do that re-enactement ... and I am sure it made more "sense" to LE after it was completed.

MOO ...

 

[wfgodot]

Thank you so much! Trying to figure out your 'hat' has drove me nuts, lol.

When I joined WS I was trying to figure out what to call myself, and I happened to be re-reading the Beckett play at the time.
Instant hat!

 

[matou]

I answer to "Woofy Go Dot," lol, I think nursebeeme and shefner gave me that nickname, but the wfgodot is actually for the Samuel Beckett play 'Waiting for Godot,' and the last name there is pronounced Geh-DOE.

I knew that xo

 

[cluciano63]

I guess they are getting a lot "I saw a blond-haired baby" calls...

As far as not being of clear mind in order to "set a scene"; this would depend upon when the accident really happened (going with accidental death theory). If it had been hours earlier, there would have been time to decide how to handle it, especially if the baby had not been seen by other children or anyone else since at least 7:30PM.

 

[Meem]

I've been following along on websleuths since this case broke and don't think I've seen this mentioned: what if there was an intruder l, but they entered the house while they knew the family was away. Then, they hid in th

 

[matou]

When the phones were taken, were the chargers taken too? Were they also being charged when they were on the counter?

 

[andalso]

IMO I think they are looking for the metal clip from the screen being pryed out on the outside.

The screen cach thing that locks into the holes to hold it to the window frame.

That is a certainly a logical possibility!

 

[cachmo]

So now we are looking for rich people with felonies?
:floorlaugh:
I really think this is the most far fetched theory out there.

So poor people buy babies? Im not trying to be snarky, its just that black market adoption isn't cheap. Like I said Google it I promise you will be floored. Just search the word adoption and read ALL articles. The content doesn't always match the title. ALL people cannot pass adoption test and procedures. Some people are just too impatient to wait through the process.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED TO LISA.
Btw the adoptive parents do not always know where their baby came from. They set it up with a lawyer. (
sometimes)

 

[cluciano63]

Would you?

I am someone who spends time here on WS trying to figure out why people do the things they do...and with some of the horrible things I have read about here, faking a kidnapping to avoid trouble over an accidental death is not the worst thing I can imagine. So no, I would not do it, but that does not mean that people in certain circumstances might not. They might feel at risk of losing custody of other children, or prefer the sympathy of being a victim, or have a past history of questionable child care issues. I can see it happening very easily.

 

[Mojen]

I get doing a reenactment, but you have to have exact circumstances to get a similar outcome.

I know in my window climbing in and out years, it depended on what I had on as to how much noise I made. A belt would make noise and hang you up. Sweatpants were nice, easy and quiet.

Please know my window climbs in/out were sneaking in/out as a teen. Nothing nefarious or illegal!

 

[BeanE]

BBM

Talk about mixed messages. LOL LOL LOL That is the statement we usually hear in a case.

But Young makes this statement or one like it in almost every news conference : "at the mercy of the next good idea."

An idea is not a tip.

I keep thinking of the tips that were released in Caylee's case. The German Shepherd who peed by the tree, for example.

 

[ClueMeIn]

I am NOT going to sit here all day, and play these guessing games! I will be back by 6 pm, and you had all better have this figured out! Got it?

In my heart I am still trying to find Ky!

 

[AngelWings444]

I am way behind on this case. My heart goes out for Little Lisa, praying for her safe return. She is a beautiful little girl.

One question that I couldn't get out of my head after seeing the parents in the interview regarding the lie detector. Why would ANYONE have to ask LE if they passed? The way the Mother said that stuck a nerve (hinky meter) with me. If my child were missing (God forbid), I wouldn't have to ASK them IF I passed the poly, I would know I did.

Ok..ducking and back to catching up. :read:

 

[Meem]

I've been following along on websleuths since this case broke and don't think I've seen this mentioned: what if there was an intruder, but they entered the house while they knew the family was away. Then, hid in the house til they knew they could sneak out w Lisa and no one would know. Intruders have hidden and waited before (btk hid and waited in the closet of one of his victims). Just trying to think outside the box.

 

[jjenny]

I guess they are getting a lot "I saw a blond-haired baby" calls...

As far as not being of clear mind in order to "set a scene"; this would depend upon when the accident really happened (going with accidental death theory). If it had been hours earlier, there would have been time to decide how to handle it, especially if the baby had not been seen by other children or anyone else since at least 7:30PM.

Exactly. As far away as CA. The baby looks like a classic baby and nothing stands out so there are no doubt plenty of people who think they saw baby Lisa.

 

[Paige SC]

Are there any clowns?

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[norest4thewicked]

I get doing a reenactment, but you have to have exact circumstances to get a similar outcome.

I know in my window climbing in and out years, it depended on what I had on as to how much noise I made. A belt would make noise and hang you up. Sweatpants were nice, easy and quiet.

Please know my window climbs in/out were sneaking in/out as a teen. Nothing nefarious or illegal!

Thanks for clarifying....I was wondering...haha