MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #13

[epiphany]

Damn, I wish Mom would use Baby Lisa's name! I believe I have heard her refer to Baby Lisa by name only once or twice.

 

[Tuffy]

I can't see a teenage boy being interested in kidnapping a 10 month old baby and certainly not keeping her alive for a week. I sure don't see one having a sexual motivation, maybe an older child, but a baby wears diapers and often has smelly diapers. Not very many teen boys would dream of handling a dirty diaper.

I don't think it's the case here, but very young children have been molested. I've read cases here on WS of babies, as young as a few weeks old that have been sexually molested.

 

[wfgodot]

I am way, way behind due to being sick and trying to care for a sick grandbaby on top of it all.

I missed about 35 pages of the last thread and am just getting started reading here.

Has there been anything of interest happen today?

Would someone be so kind as to help fill me in, please?

Astonishingly, not a lot of real significance has happened. LE back at Irwin place searching in and around - neighbor's yard also said to have been searched, plus a drainage ditch. The lowlight was when wfgodot made a new thread and put it in the "located" forum incorrectly.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Damn, I wish Mom would use Baby Lisa's name! I believe I have heard her refer to Baby Lisa by name only once or twice.

Body Language specialist on HLN now just mentioned this. Troublesome for me, too.

 

[EllaMae]

Teen-DNA- could teen be the father? Not what i believe, but a possible scenario for teen taking baby.
Imo

That was one of the first things that went through my head when the teen first came into the mix.

 

[MissJames]

Does anyone remember a case not that long ago when a missing baby was found under the bed of mom's friend ,in a box. Baby was alive. I'm trying to remember the circumstances,but mom was in on it ,IIRC.

 

[panthera]

Body Language specialist on HLN now just mentioned this. Troublesome for me, too.

She just gave an excellent analysis of JI; and the "extra information" regarding the missing cell phones.

MOO

 

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It sure looks like the one from the other day. jmo

Yes, it's next door.(3404)

Bringing this over from closed thread before everybody get carried away with wrong info.
It is not next door to the I's and it is not 3404 and 3404 is not next door to the I's house. whew! I think that covers it. and NO I am not publishing the address # it is. You all can figure it out, I know you can.

 

[epiphany]

Vinnie P: father sounds heartbroken

Body Language Expert: difference between Mom and Dad is pretty big; i'm looking at micro expressions-not seeing "grief" with father; "obvious"---be suspicious when hear [in statements-father used]

 

[JeannaT]

That was one of the first things that went through my head when the teen first came into the mix.

I thought that too, kind of fleetingly. I've been gone this weekend - has MSM id'd the teen as a boy? When I left Saturday it was unclear the gender.

I know we're not supposed to sleuth minors except what's put out in MSM, so I'm not trying to get anyone to break the rules here, just wondering if MSM has stated the gender.

TIA

 

[marge_rita]

Is this guy carrying a pair of shoes to the back of the house?

http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old

Sure looks like it. Maybe he's checking someone's shoeprints.

imo

 

[Amster]

Has this teen been ID'd by LE?? If not, how do we know he/she lives in the house that has been searched?? Is that home the only one in the neighborhood where a teen lives?? How unfair to insinuate or flat out say that the teen some are saying is "troubled" lives there! What if that info is wrong??

 

[Tuffy]

Does anyone remember a case not that long ago when a missing baby was found under the bed of mom's friend ,in a box. Baby was alive. I'm trying to remember the circumstances,but mom was in on it ,IIRC.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2009/11/05/baby-sitter-mom-charged-disappearance-florida-infant-alive/

Last week, baby sitter Susan Elizabeth Baker asked the infant's mother Chrystina Lynn Mercer to give her custody and Mercer agreed, Washington County Sheriff Bobby Haddock said.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2009/11/0...ppearance-florida-infant-alive/#ixzz1aQ7FGkTH

 

[In da Middle]

How hard would it be to walk down the drainage ditch through the creek to where it meets the river? Is this teens house catty corner to the Irwin's...does part of the property back up against their's?

The ditch is pretty brushy, but I guess it is possible, you know, "where there is the will there is a way" kind of thing. It is very possible , and not very hard, to walk to the river from the creek though.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

As I've read here today and watched various interviews, commentary, etc., I am finding myself in a state of heightened anxiety - as if something's about to break shortly. jmo

 

[SilkySifaka]

I thought that too, kind of fleetingly. I've been gone this weekend - has MSM id'd the teen as a boy? When I left Saturday it was unclear the gender.

I know we're not supposed to sleuth minors except what's put out in MSM, so I'm not trying to get anyone to break the rules here, just wondering if MSM has stated the gender.

TIA

grandmaj said the gender of the teen could be said by the verified local

 

[marge_rita]

#LisaIrwin CSI tech had a camera in backyard at family's home. He left. Detectives remain. Now searching neighbor's property.

Sure wish we knew what actual lead led the CSI tech to the families yard and neighbor's property.


imo

 

[Marah]

I was thinking maybe the teen was abusing one of the boys and threatened to harm baby if he told, but that doesn't really fit with anything.

 

[epiphany]

Vinnie P: ...cell phones taken?

Ed L, CNN Correspondent: missing is my understanding

 

[sorrell skye]

I don't think if they were evidence that cop would be carrying them around with his bare hands - my guess is, they're his shoes.

Exactly - if the shoes were potential evidence, they would have been bagged & the officer would have been wearing gloves as he carried them. In addition, there would have likely been a 2nd officer accompanying him in order to maintain chain of evidence protocol.