MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #14

[GEORGIAGIRL69]

Really? I think you are being a little harsh here. I have always found that sleuthers are very generous with helping others find things, it's easier for some people then others and I think it's fine for people to ask. MOO

Thanks wasn't enough. I agree. Also, I think there is a nicer way of getting one's point across, rather than being so confrontational. Just my .02.

 

[momtective]

:nono: Please remember TOS...attack the post not the poster. Use that lil' triangle to report abusive or inappropriate posts, let the mods sort it out...they're really good at it. :wave:

 

[Linda7NJ]

Is it me? Did I miss it? Everytime I see these parents interviewed I never hear about the MOMENT they realize their daughter is GONE. IMO That's the most important part of the story, I'd think one of the two would atleast mention it.:waitasec::waitasec:

 

[mysticrose]

I have yet to find anywhere mentioning anything about computers. Has there been any mention of LE looking at computers from the home ? If they haven't I think that they should be.

 

[Feebster]

Hi -- This will be my last post here as I don't have any more information about the disappearance than you guys do, and that's all that matters. I'm really and truly sorry if what I said sounded harsh. I didn't mean that. I think you guys are great for caring and for wanting this baby returned safely. I can't express that enough.

I'm very sorry.

I will attempt to explain what I meant: Keeping up with these threads, it can be exhausting to read "Didn't so-and-so..." followed by an already debunked or unsubstantiated rumor, particularly when it has been said multiple times in the same thread that it is a debunked or unsubstantiated rumor.

However, I was wrong to be so blunt about it. You are doing a great job here.

 

[Pensfan]

My daughter was 30" tall and 23 lbs at the 10 month mark. At 12 months she was 32" and 25 lbs. Granted, she was/is in the 99th percentile for height and low 90's percentile for weight, pretty darn rare...

Here is a nurses' device for determining "normal" baby weight: A baby should double their birth weight by 6 months and triple it by one year.

 

[momtective]

The View will be discussing Lisa's case...Lead in "Whether the disappearance of baby Lisa could turn into the next Casey Anthony case."

 

[Pensfan]

Hi -- This will be my last post here as I don't have any more information about the disappearance than you guys do, and that's all that matters. I'm really and truly sorry if what I said sounded harsh. I didn't mean that. I think you guys are great for caring and for wanting this baby returned safely. I can't express that enough.

I'm very sorry.

I will attempt to explain what I meant: Keeping up with these threads, it can be exhausting to read "Didn't so-and-so..." followed by an already debunked or unsubstantiated rumor, particularly when it has been said multiple times in the same thread that it is a debunked or unsubstantiated rumor.

However, I was wrong to be so blunt about it. You are doing a great job here.

It's ok. We all get blunt on here at times. Again, welcome to Websleuths. Come back and post with us.

 

[pinkfly]

I was so hoping that this case would be solved quickly with a live happy child. It is sad that we have gone to a full blown Forum for Lisa. Poor Baby L.

 

[Kamille]

I've been trying to catch up on this case for days and I see now that we finally have a forum and I have a bunch of other threads to catch up on! :banghead:

I guess the things I am focused on right now are the things that have not been determined even though the parent's were pretty forthcoming with information at the beginning. Why are these details omitted?

What type of cell phones?

What time did JI leave for work?

What time were the boys put to bed? Were they both put in their own beds and if so when did the younger one come into parent's bed? They both would have had school the next day so I can't imagine they were both put to bed at 10:30 when the Mom went to bed.

When did LE get the information about the teen being at the house? Was he on the list of people that was given to LE of people who had recently been around Lisa? It seemed to be a while before they got around to checking that information out. Did the parent's tell them he was there or did someone else?

What time was DN on the computer when she claimed to have opened the window in the computer room? What was she doing on the computer and has LE taken it for examination?

What time did the neighbour come over for a visit and what time did she and her child leave? Was JI home at the time? Was Lisa still awake? Where was she when the neighbour was there and the other children were watching a movie? Was she outside with them? In bed?

Lot's of information was put out there by the parent's right off the bat but none of it seems to be of any use in determining what happened. :waitasec:

 

[Shelby1]

I have yet to find anywhere mentioning anything about computers. Has there been any mention of LE looking at computers from the home ? If they haven't I think that they should be.

I haven't seen anything regarding computers being searched, either.

 

[mck16]

The View will be discussing Lisa's case...Lead in "Whether the disappearance of baby Lisa could turn into the next Casey Anthony case."

Oh yea, what has that group of loud mouths got to say about this? I am sure it will be bashing of the parents especially the mother. jmo

 

[Linda7NJ]

Yes but lets not forget on TV when interviewed he said specifically he went to check on the boys in their room and they were sleeping, then he went into his room, woke up Deb and said why are the lights on, then they both went and checked on Lisa and she was gone.. So once again I ask this, if the younger son was in bed with mom how was he also in his own bedroom and why check on mom and the boys first and ignore the baby's room until waking up mom. Once again, he contradicts the whole story with that one quote.

My own son eats & roams at night. ALWAYS leaves ALL the lights downstairs on. Would not be unusual to find him sleeping in his own bed, floor in his room, my bed, downstairs sofa, floor etc...

Lights on and a bent screen in a home with two boys shouldn't raise flags.
It would seem normal to me to look around really good before I started waking up anyone.

 

[LaLaw2000]

I have yet to find anywhere mentioning anything about computers. Has there been any mention of LE looking at computers from the home ? If they haven't I think that they should be.

That computer hard drive would really give LE great insight into this couple, along with any information that has been deleted. I would love to know what their internet footprints would reveal.

But alas, I suppose it is considered none of my 'bidness' at this point!

Wish the Sunshine Law was in effect in the state of Missouri, mysticrose!

 

[cluciano63]

The View will be discussing Lisa's case...Lead in "Whether the disappearance of baby Lisa could turn into the next Casey Anthony case."

Oh good grief...I am starting to hate all media...

 

[wfgodot]

Hi -- This will be my last post here as I don't have any more information about the disappearance than you guys do, and that's all that matters. I'm really and truly sorry if what I said sounded harsh. I didn't mean that. I think you guys are great for caring and for wanting this baby returned safely. I can't express that enough.

I'm very sorry.

I will attempt to explain what I meant: Keeping up with these threads, it can be exhausting to read "Didn't so-and-so..." followed by an already debunked or unsubstantiated rumor, particularly when it has been said multiple times in the same thread that it is a debunked or unsubstantiated rumor.

However, I was wrong to be so blunt about it. You are doing a great job here.

Blunt is good. Don't leave.

 

[mck16]

If you look at the diagram of the home it shows that the boys bedroom is the first you come to. If he noticed Lisa's bedroom door open maybe his first thought was that she was in the bed with her mother, thus he went on in to Mothers bedroom to check. That is what I think happened. jmo

 

[MaciBean]

I noticed we were looking at the dad as a possibility. Does anyone know, or has it been mentioned, how Dad acted at work that night?

 

[HatesSociopaths]

Originally Posted by HatesSociopaths
My theory is that the baby was buried in the backyard of a family member.

What makes you think this, and which in which family member's yard do you suspect this occurred?

Here is my theory, subject to modification as facts unroll:

1. It was an accidental death.
a. Most likely way I come up with is Lisa was coughing Sunday night after the birthday party, and the mother gave her adult cough syrup. The baby was accidentally overdosed. In the morning she was found unquestionably dead.
2. The motive for staging a kidnap appears to be to avoid losing custody of the boys, namely Jeremy's son.
a. This is the best motive I can come up with for doing something crazy like staging an abduction/kidnapping like this.
b. I have tried in earnest to see what custody issues may exist with the boys, and have not been able to fully substantiate what may be going on there, but it appears that there may indeed be a lingering battle for custody of his son. Call it speculation for now as I have no link to provide for this.
3. The staging of the kidnapping involved not just the couple, but a third person.
a. Jeremy worked the night shift IMO so he would have an alibi.
b. Debbie needed someone to help get rid of the baby's clothes with vomit on them that would reveal she was poisoned. She also needed someone to dispose of the baby.
c. I believe she called in a favor from her brother, SN. I would like to elaborate on why I chose him of her relatives, but until he is (if he is) named a POI, it would not conform with forum rules.
d. The man at the store will be found to have been her brother. He lives 5 miles away and the store is on the google map path between the houses.
e. The brother burned the baby's clothes, etc. in that dumpster at 2:30 in the morning.
f. He then went back to the house and took the dead baby as plotted with DB.
g. Where he went with the body is anyone's guess, but my theory that he buried it in his backyard is based on where I think DB would want her daughter buried. Whether or not the brother was ok with this is not easy to determine, but I think he has made (errr - too much info.)
4. In this theory, DB, JI and the brother are all in on it.

MOO! Just my :twocents:

:seeya:

 

[andalso]

Hi -- This will be my last post here as I don't have any more information about the disappearance than you guys do, and that's all that matters. I'm really and truly sorry if what I said sounded harsh. I didn't mean that. I think you guys are great for caring and for wanting this baby returned safely. I can't express that enough.

I'm very sorry.

I will attempt to explain what I meant: Keeping up with these threads, it can be exhausting to read "Didn't so-and-so..." followed by an already debunked or unsubstantiated rumor, particularly when it has been said multiple times in the same thread that it is a debunked or unsubstantiated rumor.

However, I was wrong to be so blunt about it. You are doing a great job here.

Perhaps we can start anew....Hi! Welcome to Websleuths!