MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #3

[nursebeeme]

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/local_news/Greg-Smith-can-feel-Irwin-familys-pain

 

[Jayarre]

Re: the 9 names

Perhaps it is a total from mom, dad and extended family not just dad.

 

[lishac23]

snipped:


Jeremy Irwin, Lisa’s father, told local media that whoever took his daughter also took all three of their cell phones so they couldn’t call anybody, including 911.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/06/3190568/cell-phones-taken-along-with-missing.html#ixzz1a1QJj8XG
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I hate to be a negatice Nancy but does this strike anyone else as odd. If he was just getting home from work, wouldn't he have taken a cell phone with him? Wouldn't at least one of the phones been in the room with mom, or if the boys had phones wouldn't they have had them in their room?? I know my niece practically sleeps with hers. I pretty sure they weren't all in the room with baby Lisa, so the kidnapper would have walked around the whole house picking up cell phones and no one heard anything???

 

[SyraKelly]

Welcome LadyPirate!!!

 

[cluciano63]

Did dad say the reason the phones were taken was to prevent the 911 call? I mean, did he provide a theory along with the fact that they were taken? That seems odd, if he did, JMO.

 

[illinialum]

I hate to be a negatice Nancy but does this strike anyone else as odd. If he was just getting home from work, wouldn't he have taken a cell phone with him? Wouldn't at least one of the phones been in the room with mom, or if the boys had phones wouldn't they have had them in their room?? I know my niece practically sleeps with hers. I pretty sure they weren't all in the room with baby Lisa, so the kidnapper would have walked around the whole house picking up cell phones and no one heard anything???

I recall hearing in the video that all three phones were together on the kitchen counter. Perhaps that's just where they put phones at night. Maybe that's where they charge phones. I dunno...

 

[davehead21]

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/local_news/Greg-Smith-can-feel-Irwin-familys-pain

Thanks for posting this. I have SO much respect for Greg and Missey Smith.

Also, welcome to Websleuths, LadyPirate!!

 

[~n/t~]

I hate to be a negatice Nancy but does this strike anyone else as odd. If he was just getting home from work, wouldn't he have taken a cell phone with him? Wouldn't at least one of the phones been in the room with mom, or if the boys had phones wouldn't they have had them in their room?? I know my niece practically sleeps with hers. I pretty sure they weren't all in the room with baby Lisa, so the kidnapper would have walked around the whole house picking up cell phones and no one heard anything???

From what I understand, they were all in one place because mom was reprogramming them because one was broken or something like that.

 

[iamnotagolem]

I keep going back and forth on the 9 suspects given by the dad. One the one hand if I thought about everyone in our life I could come up with 0 people. But then I think, well DH has has 3 old girlfriends (from 20+ years ago) try to contact him on FB, he's blocked them. But one of them has continually tried to contact him, thru his friend, thru skype, thru linkedin. So I guess someone like that would be on my list, but I've never met her, DH hasn't seen her in 20 years. She's made it very clear she's not over DH. Maybe they've recently had ex's try to wiggle their way back into their lives? Maybe an ex feels like Lisa is the only thing keeping them together and w/Lisa out of the picture they can have D or J back?

It seems like quite a stretch, but he did come up with 9 names. 9 people he knows that he worries could have taken his child?

 

[tlcya]

Could you come up with 9 names? I can come up with about 3. But nine names just seems a bit much.

Yes, unfortunately, I could, and probably more. Not that I think any one of them would actually come into my home and take my child. But if my child were missing and questions were posed to me by LE. Yeah. I totally could.

I should explain that my husband is a construction contractor. In that business, he uses day labor. It means sometimes he needs help but he does not need help enough to have people on a permanent payroll. These people can be "rustled up" in a number of ways. Even so far as driving by the local Goodwill and finding someone down on their luck. In the construction industry or when getting day labor in this manner, there are sometimes men who have drinking and/or drug problems. This usually becomes pretty clear shortly after they begin working and those types do not often stay long (a day or two). Because of that there are often disputes as to how much is owed or why they are not being asked to return the next day to continue work.

Sorry to be so windy. But Yeah. We could totally come up with the names of some people who

a) might break into our home

or

b) might wish us harm

Which is why we have motion sensors, good locks and very large dark who barks at any movement.

 

[mysteriew]

I'm Robyn, new to this site, and I love it! This is the most interesting site I've ever been on!

I'm very illiterate about cell phones, other than how to text and make a call. If these cells were taken to another town, say St. Louis, then there would have to be somebody in St Louis to check for a ping from that phone. Right?

I was just thinking that if the phones were taken, and then taken to an area several hours away, there wouldn't be a ping. What about SIM cards? If those are removed and replaced with new cards, the phone couldn't be traced. Right? Or could it, because there are serial numbers on them.

I'm sure somebody has already tried actually calling the numbers to see if they hear a ring. That's probably the first thing they did.

Your ping is recorded/connected to your phone account. So taking it out of the area it can still be checked. But if SIM card is changed I think that would change things. Because your SIM card connects your account to your phone.

 

[chieftess]

I went on craigslist and came up with some for that area however not sure if its helpful.

8/23- Lees Summit
9/9 24hwy-sterling go north
9/12 5016 n washington gladstone MO
9/14 trimble Mo
9/22-/24-Lees Summit
9/23 Blue Springs
10/4 Bella Vista Annex Independence
10/3-10/5 820 s grand ave Independence

It also had a Northland Macaroni Kid program running 9/29 till 10/10. Listed a bunch of locations, not sure if a local can help with this

Hi everyone! I have spent my entire life in the Northland...or North of the River as it was when I grew up.
The areas listed with the exception of Gladstone are not near the area of the family's home. Even Gladstone is not all that close, but it is in the northland.
If you have never lived in KC, the size of the entire area metro area would seem confusing. We are a city of HUGE urban sprawl. Even being in the northland does not mean you are close to other areas of the northland.

 

[~n/t~]

Did dad say the reason the phones were taken was to prevent the 911 call? I mean, did he provide a theory along with the fact that they were taken? That seems odd, if he did, JMO.

The way I understood it, he meant they weren't able to call 911 from the home because they had no cell phone. Not sure how they called 911 though. Some speculated from a neighbour's house. Mom was waiting on the front yard for LE.

 

[Shelby1]

I hate to be a negatice Nancy but does this strike anyone else as odd. If he was just getting home from work, wouldn't he have taken a cell phone with him? Wouldn't at least one of the phones been in the room with mom, or if the boys had phones wouldn't they have had them in their room?? I know my niece practically sleeps with hers. I pretty sure they weren't all in the room with baby Lisa, so the kidnapper would have walked around the whole house picking up cell phones and no one heard anything???

That's what I wondered early on when I first read his statement about not being able to call 911. If I didn't have a landline, I'd sleep with my cell. He's out working all night...what if he needed me or I needed him?

But, to each their own, I suppose.

All 3 phones were in the same place on the kitchen counter according to the mom.

 

[Nana46]

If you want to Bold anything in a quote just highlight the part and hit the Bolded B at the top of the post box.

just a test Dr. Have never tried this,lol, thanks.

 

[wfgodot]

Hello and welcome to WS, chieftess.

 

[Shelby1]

Re-posting timeline:


Lisa Irwin Timeline

Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house.

UPDATE—according to police spokesman window may not be correct.

3620 block of North Lister 64117

CORRECTION TO ABOVE GIVEN BY JEREMY IN PHONE INTERVIEW 10-6-2011

Lisa in bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie in bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room. Point of entry by abductor was unlocked front door, window mentioned earlier was NOT tampered with.

UPDATE 10-6-11 3 cell phones also taken. One does not even work. Also, dad came home to find front door unlocked, most of the lights on and front window open.

Jeremy Irwin, Lisa’s father, told local media that whoever took his daughter also took all three of their cell phones so they couldn’t call anybody, including 911.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/06/3190568/cell-phones-taken-along-with-missing.html#ixzz1a1QJj8XG


~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)

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Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the mothers children from another relationship)

Father is electrician that works nights. Just started job on this night.--Jeremy

Mother is a SAHM--Debbie

Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.

**Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--“He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence,” Parscale said, “but then my husband drove off so we’re thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.”

**Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.


Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib.

UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speaking—Parents’ story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.

Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served it’s purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.

*** Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-aut...rch-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,6273053.story

Tuesday 9:25 p.m.

Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
by cliffjudy via twitter 9:25 P

**family stayed with relatives after being questioned until 10:30 p.m.

Wednesday October 5, 2011

9:00 a.m. press conference Capt. Steve Young speaking—basically no new information. Still searching with dogs, however there have been no hits. Parents not ruled out, but also not suspects. Very cooperative.


** KMBC's Jana Corrie: Children who were also inside the home at the time of the disappearance staying with neighbors

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv

**conflicting reports…unless the Grandparents are being referred to as “neighbors”


NBC Action News reporter Sloane Heller reports Lisa’s grandparents are watching the couple’s other children and have not been able to reach them since earlier Tuesday.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz


Next news conference sometime this afternoon.

2:00 news conference—Jeremy spoke with Deborah (Bradley?) by his side. Begged for baby to be dropped off somewhere safe. The brothers are waiting to see their sister. Declined to take questions.

Again, Capt. Has no leads, not ruling out anything. 300 knocks and searches. 46 tips. No ransom note. Family is free to go where they would like. Family does not want to be at house.

**Alleged sighting of Lisa with a middle aged white male and female at a Love’s gas station in St. Joseph, MO I-29 and US HWY 169. Driving older model SUV. Article came out around 5:15 p.m. Surveillance video has been turned over to LE. Police say it doesn’t seem to be a major lead.


Thursday October 6, 2011


**Jeremy and Debbie provided LE with a list of 9 names of people that could be possible suspects.

**Per Debbie regarding cell phones and possible other missing items:

~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)




http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old

** police detectives are meeting early this morning to talk about where to search next.

**per Debbie, “Lisa is very sweet and will go to almost anybody.”

**per Jeremy, window was not tampered with, so perp (s) must have come in through unlocked front door.

**Lisa went to bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie went to bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room.

 

[BeanE]

Is there an old lady's version of this thread that goes much slower? :floorlaugh:

 

[Nana46]

Hi everyone! I have spent my entire life in the Northland...or North of the River as it was when I grew up.
The areas listed with the exception of Gladstone are not near the area of the family's home. Even Gladstone is not all that close, but it is in the northland.
If you have never lived in KC, the size of the entire area metro area would seem confusing. We are a city of HUGE urban sprawl. Even being in the northland does not mean you are close to other areas of the northland.

WELCOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:seeya:

 

[liz b.]

So if the bedroom window on the far right of the home is the computer room and there are 3 bedrooms upstairs, does that mean the master is in the basement? Do we have clarification on whether both or just one of the boys was sleeping with mom? I've seen it both ways.

If mom & both boys were sleeping in the basement, that would surely explain how someone came in the home and no reason to not turn on the lights. Maybe they came in saw there was no one upstairs.

Yes, I have read that it was just the 5 year old, and also that both boys were with mom.IMO, if both boys were with mom, it sounds like this was a planned sleeping arrangement, not that both boys woke up and came into her room. Unless they were both up after she went to bed,and she went and got them, and had them sleep in their parents' room ? Do we know when the two boys went to sleep ? So, the parents bedroom is possibly in the basement ? And Lisa's room is on another floor ? I'm curious to know how many SQ feet is the house ?