MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #5

[luckyme]

BBM

I believe that was in Kansas, not MO. I could totally be wrong about that, and I have no clue about if it's illegal in MO or not...

Her body was dumped in mo. They found it by the pings. but it took a while for phone co to release data. I think nurse posted a link up thread. her parents got a law passed. moo

 

[wfgodot]

Sorry if this was already answered (still working and catching up), but I think that girl was taken from OVerland Park, Kansas. It's next to Kansas City, Mo., but just over state lines.

Yes, Kelsy Smith was taken from OP, the Target store behind Oak Park Mall.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Here's the video from Today

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44813...ther-missing-baby-i-reached-my-boiling-point/

 

[JeannaT]

Have been following this case, just want to say I hope they find this little girl soon. Heart is broken for her.

What usually happens in cases where little children disappear like this from their homes? It happened recently in CA and turned out it was the grandmother, right?

I read a stat on this case yesterday that was fascinating. Of the 287 (I think that was the number) cases of infant abductions out of homes, all were returned safely except like 17.

Startling. People don't steal nonfamily infants to hurt them.

 

[Clock's Tickin]

But why not utilize all sources ?

$$$$$

 

[daisy7]

http://www.kmbc.com/video/29415510/detail.html
try this one daisy:crazy:

That's the GMA one. But, here is part of the Today Show one from the local NBC station. But, you can't hear the interviewer questions??

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne.../lisa-irwins-parents-to-speak-with-today-show

 

[chieftess]

Today Show

Father of missing baby: 'I reached my boiling point'
Jeremy Irwin took a 'break' from police investigation as police say mother failed polygraph

The baby's parents, Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley, responded on TODAY Friday.

“We were at the station yesterday being interviewed again, and I just had reached my boiling point and asked them, ‘Guys, I can’t do this anymore today, I need a break, (and) I can’t answer any more questions,’’’ Jeremy Irwin told Matt Lauer. “The next thing we knew was the press conference yesterday. We want to make sure that we tell everybody that we’re still cooperating, we’re still talking to police, (and) we’re still doing everything we can to try to find Lisa and bring her back home.’’

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44813...baby-i-reached-my-boiling-point/#.To7zG5sg_UA

BBM- I wonder if in the stress of the moment, the dad maybe did not use the word today. The LE would then consider this to mean that cooperation had ended.
After hearing the LE press conference, and I'm sure with lawyer's advice, made sure that during interviews this morning..that important word was used?? JMHO

 

[daisy7]

Here's the video from Today

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44813...ther-missing-baby-i-reached-my-boiling-point/

Thank you!!!

 

[Celeste]

Sigh. After so many recent cases where the "grieving" parents are later found to be the guilty party, I'm afraid that all parents are considered guilty until proven innocent.
I know this is true among the public at large, but now it seems that for LE as well, the parents' guilt is a foregone conclusion.
At this point, unless I misunderstand, mom cannot be cleared because she has no alibi, because she's a SAHM who was at home taking care of her 3 kids. And because she cannot be cleared, LE's investigation is at an impasse? Awful! (I really hope that mine is an oversimplified and ignorant analysis of the situation.)

 

[liltexans]

Okay, I think we've established that we're pretty much divided over who is responsible. Let's start sleuthing. Where would we look if our child was missing? What would we do next? What CAN we do to help???

Has anyone posted a map showing the location of the RSOs in baby Lisa's neighborhood or zip code? That's one place to start looking.

 

[Clock's Tickin]

I read a stat on this case yesterday that was fascinating. Of the 287 (I think that was the number) cases of infant abductions out of homes, all were returned safely except like 17.

Startling. People don't steal nonfamily infants to hurt them.

Still trying to find stats, but usuall in our country it seems people who take babies do it because they want the baby---can't find any local references to ransoms, sellings, or even killings. Baby killings are usually family.

 

[mrye4709]

What else could it mean? They responded to the media that they wouldn't speak to them anymore tonight because there was a deal made. I'm guessing they will give more tv interviews tomorrow. Probably with a statement provided by their lawyer. My guess is they will announce they never stopped cooperating with the LE so that everyone knows their side of the story??

Now I wonder if they got paid for their appearances so far? Call me a skeptic, but they do a few major network interviews and now they can hire a lawyer?? :waitasec:

Maybe a network is offering to put up a reward for Lisa's return in exchange for exclusive interviews.

 

[TxLady2]

I just can't believe that they wouldn't want him to take a poly. Not with the suspicion cast firmly on these parents. I just don't believe him. And that makes me doubt everything they are saying regarding mom's polygraph test.

If it was proved that he was at work and has a solid alibi, they may not think it's necessary for him to take a polygraph.
I don't doubt the mom's story of them telling her she failed. That's a scare tactic, sometimes it works, other times it doesn't. LDT's are not admissible in court anyway, they are merely an investigative tool. And no one can be forced to take a LDT, it is entirely voluntary. Plus as someone else mentioned, it can be inconclusive and still not mean they failed.
IMO, putting a distraught parent through hours and hours of interrogation is not always to their advantage. It will often cause the parents to clam up and stop cooperating and they are less likely to open up and admit anything if they are guilty. And if they're innocent, it just puts a bad light on LE and makes them look like bullies.

 

[Mandy113]

$$$$$

Do we know for a fact there is a "media deal"? And if so, the parents would be paid for interviews?

Honestly, I don't know how these things work. I'm just thinking if that's the case ... there's a good source of funds for a reward if no other money was available.

(I dont' mean to harp on the reward issue but isn't there ALWAYS a reward offered in missing children cases? Why not this one?)

 

[mck16]

Sigh. After so many recent cases where the "grieving" parents are later found to be the guilty party, I'm afraid that all parents are considered guilty until proven innocent.
I know this is true among the public at large, but now it seems that for LE as well, the parents' guilt is a foregone conclusion.
At this point, unless I misunderstand, mom cannot be cleared because she has no alibi, because she's a SAHM who was at home taking care of her 3 kids. And because she cannot be cleared, LE's investigation is at an impasse? Awful! (I really hope that mine is an oversimplified and ignorant analysis of the situation.)

I thought it was reported that she did not pass the poly. Is this not true. tia

 

[saba]

BBM- I wonder if in the stress of the moment, the dad maybe did not use the word today. The LE would then consider this to mean that cooperation had ended.
After hearing the LE press conference, and I'm sure with lawyer's advice, made sure that during interviews this morning..that important word was used?? JMHO

I agree. I just don't think LE would have come out publicly if someone said they needed a break, or enough for today etc. Sounds like dad is trying to walk back an emotional outburst.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

This video with Peter Alexander is the one that shows the floor plan of the home. it's around the 3 minute mark.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44813...ther-missing-baby-i-reached-my-boiling-point/

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Thank you!!!

daisy, see my post #377 for the vid with the floor plan of the home.

Well lemme try this link again:crazy:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44813...ther-missing-baby-i-reached-my-boiling-point/

wm

 

[nursebeeme]

That's the GMA one. But, here is part of the Today Show one from the local NBC station. But, you can't hear the interviewer questions??

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne.../lisa-irwins-parents-to-speak-with-today-show

wow... ya think I would know my gma from my ts from my fandf by now LOLOLOLOLOL:rocker:

 

[luckyme]

I thought it was reported that she did not pass the poly. Is this not true. tia

The police told mom she failed. and mom told news station. moo