MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #5

[FairM]

another thought - why were all the lights on? why would an intruder put lights on and draw attention to him/herself? why didnt that wake anyone up in the house?

 

[FairM]

Not sure if this has been posted yet..



Snipped: http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...an-statement/2011/10/07/gIQAdCD1RL_story.html

Interesting - is that because his alibi has checked out I wonder?

 

[Shelby1]

I can't believe LE wouln't have compassion. Are they that tough on parents of missing children?

I think they are....especially since they have absolutely no leads...the mom was the only adult home...and she failed the LDT. I don't think LE has the time right now to be compassionate....if that makes sense.

 

[luckyme]

Were they playing "good cop/bad cop"? I'm sure there have been many studies done, and many training sessions attended on when and how to make someone "crack."

I can even imagine what would take place during an interview like that. Are you asked the same questions, over and over again, but asked in a slightly different way, so they can see if your answers are consistent? I don't know how much of that I could take.

I didn't really understand what the parents said in answer to Matt Lauer's question about whether or not the police were being mean to them -- even now, I can't recall what they said, except that their answer didn't make any sense to me -- like they said, "In the first inteview, they were really mean, but in this one, they were really nice," which didn't seem to jive with them no longer cooperating. Anyone recall this?

Yes u are asked over and over and many different ways. It can become mind numbing! moo

 

[elepher50]

It is time to hear a statement from Deputy Chief Cheryl Rose on what the current situation is or isn't and what next steps are. This needs to get resolved today and Lisa needs to be found.

 

[SurfieTX]

Interesting - is that because his alibi has checked out I wonder?

I'm sure it did. My husband has driven many work vans like that. All of them had a tracking device installed that is monitored by the company (to make sure the vehicle is not driven for personal use and insurance reasons). It would take LE 5 minutes to get that information IMO.

 

[Karmaa]

...The parents listed a dozen suspects ,do they know that many people who they could write they would think to list like that.

I wouldnt be able to name but one or two people who I would even question enough to write on a list and even then one of them would be a very hard to say I thought a slight maybe but I would. 12 people would be impossible as I moved though my contancts and friends.

Not saying I think they are hiding anything but wondering what happened.

Keep in mind that these people are not necessarily personal friends. LE would ask them about any contacts - maybe a grocery store clerk who made a point out of telling the mom how gorgeous the baby is - that sort of thing. They are not "suspects", they are people who need to be questioned. It is beyond unlikely that the (fictional) grocery clerk had anything to do with this, but on the other hand - we have all heard of cases when a random contact causes a criminal to target the victim. It's a place to start, anyway.

 

[~n/t~]

I'm all over the place .....I want to believe the parents and I've seen what LE has done to find Baby Lisa so I'm at a loss as to what the truth is and why it suddenly fell apart.

In the meantime, there is a sick baby girl out there in shorts and tshirt who is still missing.

 

[Shelby1]

Lisa Irwin Timeline

Monday October 3, 2011

Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house.

UPDATE—according to police spokesman window may not be correct.

3620 block of North Lister 64117

CORRECTION TO ABOVE GIVEN BY JEREMY IN PHONE INTERVIEW 10-6-2011

Lisa in bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie in bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room. Point of entry by abductor was unlocked front door, window mentioned earlier was NOT tampered with.

UPDATE 10-6-11 3 cell phones also taken. One does not even work. Also, dad came home to find front door unlocked, most of the lights on and front window open.

Jeremy Irwin, Lisa’s father, told local media that whoever took his daughter also took all three of their cell phones so they couldn’t call anybody, including 911.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/06/3190568/cell-phones-taken-along-with-missing.html#ixzz1a1QJj8XG


~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)

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Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the 6 year old is Debbie’s and the 8 year old is Jeremy’s from previous relationships.)

Father is electrician that works nights. This night was the first night he EVER worked at night.--Jeremy

Mother is a SAHM--Debbie

Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.

**Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--“He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence,” Parscale said, “but then my husband drove off so we’re thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.”

**Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.


Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib.

UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speaking—Parents’ story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.

Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served it’s purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.

*** Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-aut...rch-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,6273053.story

Tuesday 9:25 p.m.

Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
by cliffjudy via twitter 9:25 P

**family stayed with relatives after being questioned until 10:30 p.m.

Wednesday October 5, 2011

9:00 a.m. press conference Capt. Steve Young speaking—basically no new information. Still searching with dogs, however there have been no hits. Parents not ruled out, but also not suspects. Very cooperative.


** KMBC's Jana Corrie: Children who were also inside the home at the time of the disappearance staying with neighbors

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv

**conflicting reports…unless the Grandparents are being referred to as “neighbors”


NBC Action News reporter Sloane Heller reports Lisa’s grandparents are watching the couple’s other children and have not been able to reach them since earlier Tuesday.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz


Next news conference sometime this afternoon.

2:00 news conference—Jeremy spoke with Deborah (Bradley?) by his side. Begged for baby to be dropped off somewhere safe. The brothers are waiting to see their sister. Declined to take questions.

Again, Capt. Has no leads, not ruling out anything. 300 knocks and searches. 46 tips. No ransom note. Family is free to go where they would like. Family does not want to be at house.

**Alleged sighting of Lisa with a middle aged white male and female at a Love’s gas station in St. Joseph, MO I-29 and US HWY 169. Driving older model SUV. Article came out around 5:15 p.m. Surveillance video has been turned over to LE. Police say it doesn’t seem to be a major lead.


Thursday October 6, 2011


**Jeremy and Debbie provided LE with a list of 9 names of people that could be possible suspects.

**Per Debbie regarding cell phones and possible other missing items:

~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)




http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old

** police detectives are meeting early this morning to talk about where to search next.

**per Debbie, “Lisa is very sweet and will go to almost anybody.”

**per Jeremy, window was not tampered with, so perp (s) must have come in through unlocked front door.

**Lisa went to bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie went to bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room.

***Debbie and Jeremy have a heated discussion with LE before speeding off in police car to command center to find out about possible new lead. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lis...scussion-with-police-20111006,0,5671503.story

**the list of suspects provided by the parents is now up to 12.

Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a391r9l4


Originally Posted by BeanE [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7196439#post7196439"]

[/ame]--thank you BeanE
Capt. Young: "There is no doubt they informed us that they no longer wish to cooperate with the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:05 PM

Capt. Young: "We have no plans to close the command center yet, but it will close at some point."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:04 PM

Capt. Young: "I don't have to illustrate how their lack of cooperation hurts the investigation."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "I cannot get into the details of the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspect. If we had enough to charge anyone with, we'd probably be pursuing charges."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspects. From an investigative standpoint we've enjoyed their cooperation"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young": The parents have intimate information as to what's been going on...our door is open and it doesn't help that they are no longer cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "They've always been free and cooperative up until this point, but they've decided to stop cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM

Capt. Steve Young: Mother and father of baby Lisa Irwin have stopped cooperating with police
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM


http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1a39rwETg


"This evening we will be shutting down the command post. We believe we have done all we can regarding geographic searches and will continue tracking leads as we get them or develop additional information," police Officer Darin Snapp said in a news release.

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3JybPqG


Family statement: We saw the press conference at 7 PM, and we want you to know we have never stopped cooperating with police.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 9:11 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3m5ocP3


Friday October 7, 2011

(thank you BeanE for gathering these)
#LisaIrwin's mom:We want to thank everybody who has helped us so far.
1 minute ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: we are not angry, we just want our daughter home, that's all we care about.
2 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: we appreciate everything the police dept. has done, we appreciate everything everybody has done.
2 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin mom: we don't know, which is why we need everybody to continue to look for her...because we want her home, we can't do this alone
21 seconds ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: "he's a good father and he's good to me and he loves her and everybody loves her, but no, there's no way." (about father)
38 seconds ago

#LisaIrwin's dad: hasn't taken polygraph but "if that's what it takes..."
3 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: "what do you say when someone tells you that and you know you didn't do anything."
4 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: volunteered to take polygraph, told failed. Says that's not possible.
4 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: We don't care what anybody thinks, we don't care what they think, our concern is to find Lisa, our Lisa.
5 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

#LisaIrwin's Mom: don't have hard feelings, not mad, this is what they (police) have to do.
5 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's Mom: police really nice yesterday, not like that the first time.
6 minutes ago


**Debbie failed LDT. Jeremy has offered, but LE said it’s not necessary.

 

[davehead21]

Keep in mind that these people are not necessarily personal friends. LE would ask them about any contacts - maybe a grocery store clerk who made a point out of telling the mom how gorgeous the baby is - that sort of thing. They are not "suspects", they are people who need to be questioned. It is beyond unlikely that the (fictional) grocery clerk had anything to do with this, but on the other hand - we have all heard of cases when a random contact causes a criminal to target the victim. It's a place to start, anyway.

It was also reported on Nightline last night that the list included utility workers, etc. that had recently been in the home.

I think people are taking it WAY too literally when they hear that the family has given a list of suspects. I think that these are the people you have described, service people who have been in the home, etc. I don't think the parents just started rambling off a dozen people who they think would harm their child.

 

[nursebeeme]

Police say ground searches for baby Lisa are done for now - and maintaining her parents are not cooperating.
12 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite
We got to the hotel where Lisa Irwin's parents were talking to national news... Just as they slipped out the back, avoiding local media.
19 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15612837/live-tweets-amber-alert-issued-for-missing-10-month-old-girl

 

[illinialum]

Good morning ya'll!

Wow, I tried to catch up on these threads this morning and couldn't even come close! All the morning talk shows are talking about this case, so I listened up there. Two things I learned from the radio (sorry if #1 has already been posted...)

1. Radio talk show host said that Missouri does not save cell phone pings (or it's illegal to get cell phone pings) and that's why the police are having trouble finding the phones. I guess in Kansas it is legal to get pings. I've never heard this before!

2. A caller called into a different morning show and said her co-worker knows JI and then said a somewhat vague rumor. Mods, is it okay to print a rumor as long as we say it is a rumor?

 

[luvbeaches]

On our local news they just reported the family will no longer talk to the local media, only the national media. Something is fishy here.

 

[Jayarre]

Instead of going on all the TV shows claiming their willingness to co-operate with LE..why not just show up at police headquarters and talk to the police.

 

[luckyme]

Good morning ya'll!

Wow, I tried to catch up on these threads this morning and couldn't even come close! All the morning talk shows are talking about this case, so I listened up there. Two things I learned from the radio (sorry if #1 has already been posted...)

1. Radio talk show host said that Missouri does not save cell phone pings (or it's illegal to get cell phone pings) and that's why the police are having trouble finding the phones. I guess in Kansas it is legal to get pings. I've never heard this before!

2. A caller called into a different morning show and said her co-worker knows JI and then said a somewhat vague rumor. Mods, is it okay to print a rumor as long as we say it is a rumor?

But what about the girl who was abducted from target? I think last name was smith. Wasnt she from mo? and didnt they track her cell phone? or have i forgotten?

 

[Shelby1]

Good morning ya'll!

Wow, I tried to catch up on these threads this morning and couldn't even come close! All the morning talk shows are talking about this case, so I listened up there. Two things I learned from the radio (sorry if #1 has already been posted...)

1. Radio talk show host said that Missouri does not save cell phone pings (or it's illegal to get cell phone pings) and that's why the police are having trouble finding the phones. I guess in Kansas it is legal to get pings. I've never heard this before!

2. A caller called into a different morning show and said her co-worker knows JI and then said a somewhat vague rumor. Mods, is it okay to print a rumor as long as we say it is a rumor?

Hmmm....well as to #1 I know they have to get a subpoena, but I don't think it's illegal. Remember the girl that went missing from Target and then was found (dead unfortunately) in MO....I'm pretty sure they found her by using the pings.

 

[hollye]

On our local news they just reported the family will no longer talk to the local media, only the national media. Something is fishy here.

Weird, why could they possibly want to do that? Maybe they feel they will cover more bases that way? I don't get it.

 

[Shelby1]

But what about the girl who was abducted from target? I think last name was smith. Wasnt she from mo? and didnt they track her cell phone? or have i forgotten?

LOL we thought alike!

 

[waltzingmatilda]

I'm all over the place .....I want to believe the parents and I've seen what LE has done to find Baby Lisa so I'm at a loss as to what the truth is and why it suddenly fell apart.

In the meantime, there is a sick baby girl out there in shorts and tshirt who is still missing.

I know what you mean ~n/t~. I am so worried about little Pumpkin Pie. I wonder if she has her binky and clean diapers and a bottle of formula. I feel frantic and cannot imagine how helpless her Mom feels.

One thing that impressed me about the parents' interview on Today is that they continued to call Lisa by name and personalize her in their pleas. Quite a contrast to Ron cummings who always referred to Haleigh as 'my daughter'.

MOO

wm

 

[davehead21]

But what about the girl who was abducted from target? I think last name was smith. Wasnt she from mo? and didnt they track her cell phone? or have i forgotten?

Kelsey Smith was from Kansas and it took her cell company (Verizon) three days to turn over the records. Her body was found very shortly after that, I think an hour or so. I believe her parents were instrumental in changing the law in KS.