MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #6

[iamnotagolem]

Ok let's try this

What could the reason possibly be if either parent wanted to make the baby disappear for a little while?

The part of me that desperately wants Lisa to be alive hopes that this is a balloon boy case. I'm hoping that's why they made a deal w/the national media. I'm hoping they are in it for money. I'm hoping they have a drug problem and owe some people some money. I'm hoping they helped stage a kidnapping in order to get some money to pay someone off. I don't know. I get panicky just thinking about one of my children being missing for even a few minutes.

 

[nursebeeme]

be very careful with bringing facebook and comment rumors over to websleuths... thanks peeps:rocker:

 

[belimom]

Ok let's try this

What could the reason possibly be if either parent wanted to make the baby disappear for a little while?

I can only think of money or an ultimatum regarding leaking some other type of info or something.

 

[Steely Dan]

This thread is moving way too fast. I went out to do some errands and then I came back home in about an hour and this is many more pages long. So forgive me if some of this has been mentioned.

Thank you Shelby1 for posting the timeline.

A few observations; (As always just my opinions.) Somebody please correct me if I have any facts wrong.

It was daddy's first night working overnight.
It was the first time Mommy left the door unlocked.
Daddy comes home and a lot of lights are on.
There was an open window but it wasn't tampered with. (How open is "open" was it enough for someone to crawl through? If they came through the window then Mommy probably locked the door and the perp left out the door leaving it unlocked.)
She was in the midst of reprogramming the stolen telephones.
A neighbor saw someone with a baby the night she went abducted.
As far as I know there is no prior suspicions of abuse of the older kids or the baby before this.
She says the police told her she failed a polygraph but insists it's impossible for her have done so.

My takes on this;

1. Someone who knows them or of them broke in took the baby for their own.
1a. My problems with that are why would they leave on lights and apparently, if I read it right, a lot of lights. Why didn't these lights wake anyone up? How did they know it was daddy's first overnight? I would think by now that if a baby magically showed up at somebodies house someone would have known by now. Why did Mom fail the poly?

2. Mom did something.
2a. My problems with that are what and why? If there has been no sign of abuse before this then why all of a sudden does she do something that she'd be afraid to call the police about? What evidence other than a failed poly do they have? Who was the man with the baby that was seen? If I was a father returning home with my child and then heard about the missing baby and the man seen, I'd call the police and say it was probably me and explain it to them.

3. The police know a lot more than they are letting out and have strong reasons to believe the mother was involved.
3a. My problems with that are that there is no significant evidence they do know more. It appears they never even asked the father to take a poly. In a lot of these types of situations, meaning public scrutiny, truth takes a second place to getting it "solved". In most cases family members are to blame for crimes within the family. The police have locked onto the mother and instead of doing everything they can to clear her they are doing everything they can to make her look guilty and build a case around it so this will all go away.

4. Mom or Dad had nothing to do with it.
My problems with this are that she failed a poly. The reprogramming of phones is a strange twist that seems too coincidental. It seems as if she might be trying to explain why the police wouldn't be able to track them. Why would a kidnapper turn on and leave on a lot of lights?

5. The police are trying to frame her.
5a. My problem with this is that the majority of police forces are honest. There are dishonest and or lazy police out there but I think the majority do a good job. If they are trying to frame the mother they are doing it under the scrutiny of the entire country and that's gonna make things harder. There will be a lot of people parsing the data on this.

What do I think happened? My theory is that somebody who knows the family or knows of them took the child. What I mean by knows of them could be someone who overheard a conversation.

Let's say the mother takes the baby to meet a friend for lunch. A waitress, someone in another booth a bus boy etc. overhears the conversation and Mommy mentions that Daddy is going to be working his first overnight on such and such a date. They follow her home and plan the kidnapping. The window is open and they climb through the window. Grab the baby and turn on a light or some lights far away from the bedrooms and the amount of lights is over exaggerated. The person takes the phones so nobody can call the police and disposes of them in area of the same cell tower. They leave from the house through the front door and leave it unlocked.

The police bring Mommy in for questioning. She's upset, nervous, trying to think of what could have possibly happened, maybe guilty of an affair or something she doesn't want the police to know about because it's embarrassing and so she flunks the poly and or she's lied to about flunking the poly in an effort to see how she responds.

When the accusations start flying at her she can't remember everything exactly from the night before. It was a typical night with untypical results. She says that if the door was unlocked she must have forgotten to lock it and the police become suspicious of why she'd forget on that one particular night. After hostile interrogation she says enough and leaves. The father goes in for questioning and after hours of questioning is tired and goes home hoping that he'll remember something later. Kinda like trying to remember an actors name and thinking about it just makes it worse. You stop thinking about it and it comes to you just a little while later.

The police see this as being non cooperative and since they have no results or leads to discuss they say the parents have stopped cooperating with them.

I have to say I'm only slightly of that opinion. I don't really have enough info. If they do end up charging Mommy I hope they videotaped the entire session.

IIRC, somebody here once mentioned that they knew someone in the PD that investigated Jaycee Dugard's case and that the PD was convinced the stepdad did something but just couldn't prove it. That came back to me while reading about this case.

As always, JMO

 

[epiphany]

I got a say-IF they know what happened and they went on ALL shows day after day it will be very hard for people to believe a parent who is REALLY innocent..I really hope they are not playing us!!!

In this case, Mom led me to where I am with her comments about LE.

 

[katydid23]

What are the options?

1. stranger abduction

2. staged abduction [ by friend or family]

3.unstaged abduction by an acquaintence

4. Child accidentally injured/killed earlier and disposed of

5. Child sold or traded

6. Child hidden for some reason

7.?

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Marc Klaas will be able to tell us if the parents are legit or not. He knows how to read 'em!

Didn't he think Billie Dunn was innocent? To be fair, she hasn't been arrested, but still...

 

[Lera213]

Here is what I think: MOO

There is going to be strife between the two families eventually and maybe sooner then later with the more that comes out.

 

[Miziree]

My husband lets me talk over him and I don't wear the pants in the family. I would be doing the same thing..I often talk over people (i know, i know how rude) otherwise I will forget...

What I noticed in the very first interview...he was angry (his jaw was tense) I think he was looking down because he was camera shy. He also seems to be one of those guys (like my husband) who never cry or show weakness in front of other's. I have only seen barely watery eye's from my husband and that was when each of our children were born but never tears.

The mom's in the Today show video and the shifty eyes.....I think she was trying to look at someone sitting next to the camera and the camera or someone behind it. She tends to make eye contact when talking with people in all the video's. JMO

I still think this is a abduction and the parents have nothing to do with it. After reading all these comments by you all today it make me see how many possible suspects there could be....

Websites, Neighbors, medical appointments, grocery stores, RSO's, Weird creepy relatives, house's for sale nearby, yard sale, Military wife's trying to find a baby B4 husband comes home, Utility works, repair men, Mad Ex's, Someone who wanted Father's job,old baby sitter, Someone who works with him, Someone mad at either of them for? ect..So many possible people!!

I hope they find little Lisa soon! If they don't I just hope she is alive somewhere..so many case's i've been watching have turned out so bad it would be nice to have a good outcome for once!

Just my 2 cents..

 

[JeannieC]

lol!

This is so off-topic it's pathetic... Mods, feel free to spank me.

We have three rules in our house (each trumps the previous):

1. Always root for the state school over the private school.
2. Always root for a north carolina team over a team from any other state.
3. Regardless of rules 1 and 2, always root for whoever is playing duke.

Now...all that said... "honk if you love carolina! Moooo if ya'll fum state."

honk! That's why they call the sky "Carolina Blue"

 

[wfgodot]

What are the options?

1. stranger abduction

2. staged abduction [ by friend or family]

3. Child accidentally injured/killed earlier and disposed of

4. Child sold or traded

5. Child hidden for some reason

6.?

unstaged abduction by an acquaintence

 

[mamacita]

FWIW... i had one of the videos (of the parents) open on my computer screen and it was paused on a shot of the parents and my 18mo. old daughter comes over and goes "dadda... dadda... dadda..." and is pointing to the computer screen... i wonder if she's been reading over my shoulder & has some theories of her own...

 

[miabellamoure]

Yes, some service providers even have your phone pictures.

:waitasec:......:blushing:...:angel:...oh God, say it aint so...:floorlaugh:

 

[Katana]

Just a gut reaction, nothing more, from a few videos I've seen...dad defers to mom. Mom has upper hand in relationship.

I agree. I did read a post from a neighbor that said he is a quiet, shy guy so maybe he is just not that comfortable talking. I think you are right, though, mom seems to be in control.

 

[SuziQ]

:seeya: Back on track here, peeps. We will call the pajama/shorts debate a draw.

I am bumping this up. BBM.

 

[MyBelle]

Not to seem rude, but this is the 100th time I've heard people talk about the shorts. My kids wear shorts to bed and always have. Could we PLEASE drop it about this baby's clothing!?!?!?!?

With all due respect, my opinion wasn't about your children.



JMO

 

[stilettos]

:waitasec:......:blushing:...:angel:...oh God, say it aint so...:floorlaugh:

OOOPPPSS...and I thought I deleted all my redwine pics. :floorlaugh:

 

[davehead21]

Here is what I think: MOO

There is going to be strife between the two families eventually and maybe sooner then later with the more that comes out.

Do you mean between the mother's family and the dad's family?

 

[Melanie]

LE doesn't believe the window was point of entry since the door was unlocked.

Did mom know she left the door open? I read that she admitted that she left the door unlocked (I think). If so, why? Was this a habit?

Thanks,

Mel

 

[katydid23]

unstaged abduction by an acquaintence

I added it, thanks