MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #6

[vlpate]

Very interesting and I don't think your speculation is out of line at all. With all those cute photos AND the nickname of "Pumpkin Pie" she sounds to me to be adored and loved by her family. So there may be something to your hunch that the baby photos lured someone to the house to steal her. My co-worker was telling me about something she read recently about people 'shopping for babies and kids' and finding their photos on Facebook and other places where they can figure out where the baby lives. And also, it could be that the wife possibly did have a relationship with someone she didn't want her husband to know about and that's the deception showing in her polygraph test. Just guessing. Still a lot to fill in with all that, though.

According to the grandfather, Debbie's phone was messed up and her grandmother gave her her old one last weekend while they were there for one of the boys birthday. Debbie was manually entering all the numbers into the new/used phone, not "downloading" them. Jeffrey had his own work phone, which is why, according to David, the grandfather, he did not take one of the cells on the table.

Not stating this as fact at all, just what David is saying, but IMO, it makes no sense why someone would take the phones.

 

[marge_rita]

I've wondered the same thing.

Let's go with that theory.
WHO then has the baby? A loved one maybe? A friend?

How long would the parents hold out for money? :waitasec:


I keep trying to believe the parents are totally innocent. I do......

I also keep hitting a road block with LE's insistance on rechecking the home and surrounding areas.

Those 3 cell phones--missing, hidden or stolen?
Even pay as you go phones have distributed numbers....If Im not mistaken.

Who can show up anywhere with an unknown baby? Id iknow this child and Ive only been following this story for 3 days.
imo

 

[Celeste]

OK, common law marriage is not recognized in Missouri. But I still think Mom might want to leave Dad and for him to not see the Baby.

Right. I think that's a good possibility. And a very strong motive. If she adores that child as much as I suspect she does, she would not want to have to share custody. Of course, that would mean that mom is, in fact, acting. I guess I just find that so hard to believe.

 

[cluciano63]

Why is the mom concerned about the public and their questions, i.e the baby monitor, etc. Who on earth would be worrying about supplying info like that to the public?

LE said earlier their door is open and it would be great to have the parents walk through it...I guess they are still waiting...

 

[JeannaT]

Yes, of course you would, the baby knows it's name by 10 months old. My stomach is in knots - I look at the pictures of this baby and she always looks sick or frightened. I wish I knew more about the other kids - are they from the same dad? They look darker in the pictures.

This baby looks sick and frightened to you? I'm so surprised. This is one of the calmest, happiest looking babies I've ever seen. Also, she's very large so she's not sickly. She's very white, and bald, but she looks very healthy and happy to me.

 

[nursebeeme]

this is seriously now a case of who do you believe.. so everyone just be very cautious and mind your TOS

 

[Shelby1]

Still trying to catch up because the threads are flying so fast....can anyone who knows please tell me what the makeup of the family is? Number and age of other children and is this the original marriage for both and are the other children offspring of both parents in the picture now?

I can't seem to find this information anywhere...and thx in advance. Oh and one more things - the kidnapper took the cellphones or why/how was the mother reprogramming the "stolen" cellphones which was a comment I saw in another thread ...

Lisa Irwin Timeline

Monday October 3, 2011

Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house.

UPDATE—according to police spokesman window may not be correct.

3620 block of North Lister 64117

CORRECTION TO ABOVE GIVEN BY JEREMY IN PHONE INTERVIEW 10-6-2011

Lisa in bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie in bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room. Point of entry by abductor was unlocked front door, window mentioned earlier was NOT tampered with.

UPDATE 10-6-11 3 cell phones also taken. One does not even work. Also, dad came home to find front door unlocked, most of the lights on and front window open.

Jeremy Irwin, Lisa’s father, told local media that whoever took his daughter also took all three of their cell phones so they couldn’t call anybody, including 911.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/06/3190568/cell-phones-taken-along-with-missing.html#ixzz1a1QJj8XG


~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)

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Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the 6 year old is Debbie’s and the 8 year old is Jeremy’s from previous relationships.)—Correction. One son—the 6 year old was asleep with the mom and a stray kitten he had found earlier in the day.

Father is electrician that works nights. This night was the first night he EVER worked at night.—Jeremy http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/miss...olice-14688735

Mother is a SAHM--Debbie

Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.

**Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--“He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence,” Parscale said, “but then my husband drove off so we’re thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.”

**Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.


Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib.

UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speaking—Parents’ story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.

Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served it’s purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.

*** Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-aut...rch-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,6273053.story

Tuesday 9:25 p.m.

Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
by cliffjudy via twitter 9:25 P

**family stayed with relatives after being questioned until 10:30 p.m.

Wednesday October 5, 2011

9:00 a.m. press conference Capt. Steve Young speaking—basically no new information. Still searching with dogs, however there have been no hits. Parents not ruled out, but also not suspects. Very cooperative.


** KMBC's Jana Corrie: Children who were also inside the home at the time of the disappearance staying with neighbors

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv

**conflicting reports…unless the Grandparents are being referred to as “neighbors”


NBC Action News reporter Sloane Heller reports Lisa’s grandparents are watching the couple’s other children and have not been able to reach them since earlier Tuesday.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz


Next news conference sometime this afternoon.

2:00 news conference—Jeremy spoke with Deborah (Bradley?) by his side. Begged for baby to be dropped off somewhere safe. The brothers are waiting to see their sister. Declined to take questions.

Again, Capt. Has no leads, not ruling out anything. 300 knocks and searches. 46 tips. No ransom note. Family is free to go where they would like. Family does not want to be at house.

**Alleged sighting of Lisa with a middle aged white male and female at a Love’s gas station in St. Joseph, MO I-29 and US HWY 169. Driving older model SUV. Article came out around 5:15 p.m. Surveillance video has been turned over to LE. Police say it doesn’t seem to be a major lead.


Thursday October 6, 2011


**Jeremy and Debbie provided LE with a list of 9 names of people that could be possible suspects.

**Per Debbie regarding cell phones and possible other missing items:

~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)




http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old

** police detectives are meeting early this morning to talk about where to search next.

**per Debbie, “Lisa is very sweet and will go to almost anybody.”

**per Jeremy, window was not tampered with, so perp (s) must have come in through unlocked front door.

**Lisa went to bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie went to bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room.

***Debbie and Jeremy have a heated discussion with LE before speeding off in police car to command center to find out about possible new lead. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lis...scussion-with-police-20111006,0,5671503.story

**the list of suspects provided by the parents is now up to 12.

Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a391r9l4


Originally Posted by BeanE [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7196439#post7196439"]

[/ame]--thank you BeanE
Capt. Young: "There is no doubt they informed us that they no longer wish to cooperate with the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:05 PM

Capt. Young: "We have no plans to close the command center yet, but it will close at some point."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:04 PM

Capt. Young: "I don't have to illustrate how their lack of cooperation hurts the investigation."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "I cannot get into the details of the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspect. If we had enough to charge anyone with, we'd probably be pursuing charges."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspects. From an investigative standpoint we've enjoyed their cooperation"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young": The parents have intimate information as to what's been going on...our door is open and it doesn't help that they are no longer cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "They've always been free and cooperative up until this point, but they've decided to stop cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM

Capt. Steve Young: Mother and father of baby Lisa Irwin have stopped cooperating with police
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM


http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1a39rwETg


"This evening we will be shutting down the command post. We believe we have done all we can regarding geographic searches and will continue tracking leads as we get them or develop additional information," police Officer Darin Snapp said in a news release.

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3JybPqG


Family statement: We saw the press conference at 7 PM, and we want you to know we have never stopped cooperating with police.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 9:11 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3m5ocP3


Friday October 7, 2011

(thank you BeanE for gathering these)
#LisaIrwin's mom:We want to thank everybody who has helped us so far.
1 minute ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: we are not angry, we just want our daughter home, that's all we care about.
2 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: we appreciate everything the police dept. has done, we appreciate everything everybody has done.
2 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin mom: we don't know, which is why we need everybody to continue to look for her...because we want her home, we can't do this alone
21 seconds ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: "he's a good father and he's good to me and he loves her and everybody loves her, but no, there's no way." (about father)
38 seconds ago

#LisaIrwin's dad: hasn't taken polygraph but "if that's what it takes..."
3 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: "what do you say when someone tells you that and you know you didn't do anything."
4 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: volunteered to take polygraph, told failed. Says that's not possible.
4 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: We don't care what anybody thinks, we don't care what they think, our concern is to find Lisa, our Lisa.
5 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

#LisaIrwin's Mom: don't have hard feelings, not mad, this is what they (police) have to do.
5 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's Mom: police really nice yesterday, not like that the first time.
6 minutes ago


**Debbie failed LDT. Jeremy has offered, but LE said it’s not necessary.


Floor plan of Debbie and Jeremy’s home (thank you Carriebean)


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19070&d=1317999122

**a neighbor in the area also had her dog come up missing the same night. (maybe related, maybe not)

http://ap.onlineathens.com/pstories/20111007/896530303.shtml
**FBI cleared all the people that Jeremy and Debbie mentioned as possible suspects.


PER FOX NEWS REPORT AT 12:00 P.M.
***Call made from Irwin home at 2:30 a.m.

**Debbie failed the LDT “MISERABLY”

** Jeremy at work constructing a new Starbucks (company? All Current Electric)

**Per the great grandfather (see the end of the following video at the 1:16 mark)


The GGFather then says "they are supposed to...with their lawyer offer some kind of statement to the press at a later time...(-00:19)

Then the reporter then says "...as you just heard, the couple has now hired a lawyer .....

http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/1276...er-Cooperating

Thank you to Hazel for finding this!

***ANONYMOUS TIP—LE searching Shawnee Kansas landfill.


http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...-search-tied-to-Lisa-Irwin-case#ixzz1a7YeLYOn


**FBI: This is the second time they've searched the JOCO landfill. The first was Tuesday - hours after #LisaIrwin was reported missing.
10 minutes ago


**Searching landfill----possible connection to a dumpster fire at 4897 NE 37 st at 2:27 a.m. Tuesday, October 4. Dumpster less than ½ mile from Irwin home. Trash from fire been examined twice. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-pol...-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,5538504.story


#LisaIrwin update: FBI not saying what, if anything, found at landfill.

**searching using metal detectors behind the Irwin house.

** possible sighting in California
http://www.kmbc.com/r/29420106/detail.html

 

[mrsu]

according to the fox 4 news at 6, the reporter indicated that debbie wanted the public to know that there was a baby monitor in lisa's room and it was on, but she still didn't hear anything. :waitasec:

wwwwhhhhaatttt???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[JeannaT]

Why is the mom concerned about the public and their questions, i.e the baby monitor, etc. Who on earth would be worrying about supplying info like that to the public?

LE said earlier their door is open and it would be great to have the parents walk through it...I guess they are still waiting...

She's answering the public's questions. I'm grateful that she's bothering to do that.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Missouri does not recognize common law marriage. There are only a handful that do, and there are very specific requirements for a common law marriage to be upheld. Simply living together and having a child together is not enough.

http://family.findlaw.com/living-to...-marriage/common-law-marriage-state-laws.html

Thanks for addressing this. I wondered about the marital status of the couple but was afraid to ask :blushing: With so many threads/posts in this case, I didn't know whether I had missed that detail or nothing was said about the couple's status.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Money, fake kidnapping, baby found=donations, book deal, paid interviews?

Why would donations, book deal, and paid interviews happen after the baby is found? Once the baby is found, the hoax will be discovered. Who's going to donate to them? As for book deals, I don't see any books on Amazon written about balloon boy, the runaway bride, or Shannon Matthews. I don't think there's been any movies made either.

In the Ballon boy case, his parents have been banned from receiving any profits from their hoax for years.

 

[JeannaT]

Why is the mom concerned about the public and their questions, i.e the baby monitor, etc. Who on earth would be worrying about supplying info like that to the public?

LE said earlier their door is open and it would be great to have the parents walk through it...I guess they are still waiting...

When Terri Horman clammed up, everyone ripped her to shreds for that.

This mother is recognizing the public has questions, and is answering them. And she's getting ripped for that.

Can't win for losing. God help parents whose children are stolen in this current culture. Where is the compassion? Isn't this supposed to be a victim friendly board?

 

[wfgodot]

A plea from mind-boggled ol' me:

Please try to provide links for your info whenever humanly possible, or at least identify all information
you provide as to its MSM source.

Sure helps one separate the wheat from the chaff. Thanks!

 

[MyBelle]

let's go with that theory.
WHO has the baby? A loved one? A friend? How long would the parents hold out for money? :waitasec:


I keep trying to believe the parents are totally innocent.

I also keep hitting a road block with LE's instance of rechecking out the home.

Those 3 cell phones--missing, hidden or stolen?
Even pay as you go phones have distributed numbers....If Im not mistaken.

Who can show up anywhere with an unknown baby? Id iknow this child and Ive only been following this story for 3 days.
imo

I think someone who is in their phone records has the child. Thus, the throwing away of the phones.

JMO

 

[SyraKelly]

Why would donations, book deal, and paid interviews happen after the baby is found? Once the baby is found, the hoax will be discovered. Who's going to donate to them? As for book deals, I don't see any books on Amazon written about balloon boy, the runaway bride, or Shannon Matthews. I don't think there's been any movies made either.

In the Ballon boy case, his parents have been banned from receiving any profits from their hoax for years.

I understand what your saying,but KCA,THE A'S were paid some big bucks for pics,videos before Caylee was found-that was my line of thinking!

 

[mrsu]

She's answering the public's questions. I'm grateful that she's bothering to do that.

How about get her a$$ down to the police station and answer those questions????! They are turning this into nothing but a media circus. Their daughter is missing for cryin' out loud! MOOOOOO

Good Morning America is not going to help them find their baby. They solely went on there to share their story against the police. The only thing they should be doing when speaking to the media would be begging for whomever has the baby to drop her off somewhere safe and for the public to keep their eyes out looking for her, everything else is insignificant! MOO again

Have they (or any of the family) put up missing posters yet?

 

[norest4thewicked]

A plea from mind-boggled ol' me:

Please try to provide links for your info whenever humanly possible, or at least identify all information
you provide as to its MSM source.

Sure helps one separate the wheat from the chaff. Thanks!

I agree! It's been driving me nuts! Usually a mod says something so I've not said anything, but thanks for saying it!

 

[marge_rita]

I think someone who is in their phone records has the child. Thus, the throwing away of the phones.

JMO

MyBelle,
If Lisa was really kidnapped it had to be someone that knew the family and knew which room was the baby's room. Im worried. Dont know what to believe.
I pray Lisa is found soon.
imo

 

[cluciano63]

When Terri Horman clammed up, everyone ripped her to shreds for that.

This mother is recognizing the public has questions, and is answering them. And she's getting ripped for that.

Can't win for losing. God help parents whose children are stolen in this current culture. Where is the compassion? Isn't this supposed to be a victim friendly board?

TH did talk to LE for three weeks though...
Anyway, just taking my cue from LE, which I think it is OK to do, this is a LE-friendly forum as well.

 

[Lera213]

wanting the public to know she has a baby monitor speaks to me that this Mother is showing guilt and her main focus is how she is perceived. MOO