MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #6

[curiositycat]

The missing cell phones bother me A LOT. Mom may not be smart enough to know that police can track her calls without the phone. Why would an intruder take the time to grab all the phones that were sitting, all together on the counter, in the kitchen? He/she would want to grab the baby and take off. The notion that the intruder wanted to prevent mom from making calls is ridiculous. The mom can run next door and bang on the door, and police would be notified. The intruder wouldn't gain any real time by taking the cell phones.

Maybe mom isn't that smart, and doesn't know that the records can be pulled up by LE. Who knows.

But, it almost seems like something a teenager would do, steal the cell phones. If that is the case could it be a young girl that was a friend of the family, or the dad even.:innocent:

If there was a call made from that phone at 2:30AM, and the phone was there, then the phone had to be disposed of between 2:30AM and the time the dad got home at 4AM. That's an hour and a half...not a long time for mom to leave the house, do something with the baby and come back home.

Lots of questions..and stuff that makes no sense.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Didn't I read that the mother got the boys and ran out in the yard. That she stopped a passing police car? Or did I dream that? Why was there a police car driving down the street at that time of the morning. I really haven't heard about a 911 call. ty

BBM: Not dreaming ... I read that also -- the mother stopped a police car ...

Hmmm ... how "lucky" can one get to have a "police car" passing on your street just about the time you need to call 9-1-1 ?

So, they must not have had a landline -- or would have called 9-1-1 from the landline ...

moo ...

snipped from : http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-pol...-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,5538504.story

ETA: According to the parents, baby Lisa was taken from her crib in her Northland home in the 3600 block of North Lister sometime between the hours of 10:30 p.m. Monday night and 4 a.m. Tuesday morning. The baby's father called police around 4 a.m. Tuesday when he came home from work and discovered her missing.

 

[mysteriew]

Didn't I read that the mother got the boys and ran out in the yard. That she stopped a passing police car? Or did I dream that? Why was there a police car driving down the street at that time of the morning. I really haven't heard about a 911 call. ty

True how the LE were contacted really hasn't been said.

And in town, LE constantly roams the streets or at least they are supposed to.

 

[AnaTeresa]

By late afternoon Friday, the search had moved to the Irwin backyard.

Authorities were searching the backyard with metal detectors. There is no word on what investigators are looking for, specifically, with the detectors.

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-pol...-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,5538504.story

Wouldn't the ground show signs of being disturbed if something had been recently buried? Seems like they're still looking for phones, but this is odd. They keep circling back to the same things, over and over. What are they looking for?

 

[anothersheart71]

I am going to try this again...I am new (returning after a 3 year break) so maybe my opinion is not as well received as others....but that is just what it is...my opinion.

Being from the KC area I can say this story is all over the place...many prayers and thoughts for Baby Lisa as well as the family.

My thoughts on the door being unlocked and the lights on.....when my husband worked the late shift and our kids were young I would occasionally leave the lights on and doors unlocked....perhaps Mom checked on Baby Lisa around 10:30 and then the 5/6 year old woke up or was having a hard time getting to sleep so she took him into her room....thinking she would get him to sleep and then go change laundry or do dishes or something....but because she had been taking care of an sick baby and was exhausted she simply fell asleep...not waking up again until hubby came home. Just a thought.

Additionally, what ever happened to the possible sighting at Love's Truck Stop here in St. Joseph? I have heard on campus that the clerk thought he recognized the child as being Lisa that was with the older couple....that when he spoke the name "Lisa" the child turned around and looked at him and started crying...he called this into the TIPS hotline and 3 hours later the local LE showed up and took the video surveillance tape and sent it to the KCMO LE to check out.....and we have heard nothing from there.

I am still on the fence with the parents...something is off somewhere but so far all I can come up with that can't be explained is that there is a 10 month old little girl missing.

My heart breaks for this family and child....will go back under my rock now and continue with my prayers.

 

[CN2Souls]

Can children be interviewed by police without the parent's consent or presence?

Not positive but I think I read Early in the investigation that LE did interview them but I assume they Mom and Dad were with them

And No they can not interview them without Parents consent unless Parents have been formally Charged, (At Least in this county)

 

[BeanE]

By late afternoon Friday, the search had moved to the Irwin backyard.

Authorities were searching the backyard with metal detectors. There is no word on what investigators are looking for, specifically, with the detectors.

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-pol...-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,5538504.story

Metal detectors???

 

[iamnotagolem]

I am far from caught up, I'm 2 threads behind, so I'm sure this has already been mentioned.

Several people have questioned if Lisa had a cold got overdosed meds and they covered up her death. Which leads me to why? Who could that benefit?

Then it hit me, what if the boys were playing w/Lisa and she fell and hit her head or in some other way the boys accidentally killed Lisa. As a parent, you would do anything to protect your other two kids. You wouldn't want them to deal with the guilt of killing their baby sister, right? So maybe they covered up her death and think it'll be easier on the boys if their sister was kidnapped?

 

[Shelby1]

Lisa Irwin Timeline

Monday October 3, 2011

Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house.

UPDATE—according to police spokesman window may not be correct.

3620 block of North Lister 64117

CORRECTION TO ABOVE GIVEN BY JEREMY IN PHONE INTERVIEW 10-6-2011

Lisa in bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie in bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room. Point of entry by abductor was unlocked front door, window mentioned earlier was NOT tampered with.

UPDATE 10-6-11 3 cell phones also taken. One does not even work. Also, dad came home to find front door unlocked, most of the lights on and front window open.

Jeremy Irwin, Lisa’s father, told local media that whoever took his daughter also took all three of their cell phones so they couldn’t call anybody, including 911.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/06/3190568/cell-phones-taken-along-with-missing.html#ixzz1a1QJj8XG


~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)

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Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the 6 year old is Debbie’s and the 8 year old is Jeremy’s from previous relationships.)—Correction. One son—the 6 year old was asleep with the mom and a stray kitten he had found earlier in the day.

Father is electrician that works nights. This night was the first night he EVER worked at night.—Jeremy http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/miss...olice-14688735

Mother is a SAHM--Debbie

Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.

**Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--“He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence,” Parscale said, “but then my husband drove off so we’re thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.”

**Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.


Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib.

UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speaking—Parents’ story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.

Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served it’s purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.

*** Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-aut...rch-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,6273053.story

Tuesday 9:25 p.m.

Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
by cliffjudy via twitter 9:25 P

**family stayed with relatives after being questioned until 10:30 p.m.

Wednesday October 5, 2011

9:00 a.m. press conference Capt. Steve Young speaking—basically no new information. Still searching with dogs, however there have been no hits. Parents not ruled out, but also not suspects. Very cooperative.


** KMBC's Jana Corrie: Children who were also inside the home at the time of the disappearance staying with neighbors

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv

**conflicting reports…unless the Grandparents are being referred to as “neighbors”


NBC Action News reporter Sloane Heller reports Lisa’s grandparents are watching the couple’s other children and have not been able to reach them since earlier Tuesday.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz


Next news conference sometime this afternoon.

2:00 news conference—Jeremy spoke with Deborah (Bradley?) by his side. Begged for baby to be dropped off somewhere safe. The brothers are waiting to see their sister. Declined to take questions.

Again, Capt. Has no leads, not ruling out anything. 300 knocks and searches. 46 tips. No ransom note. Family is free to go where they would like. Family does not want to be at house.

**Alleged sighting of Lisa with a middle aged white male and female at a Love’s gas station in St. Joseph, MO I-29 and US HWY 169. Driving older model SUV. Article came out around 5:15 p.m. Surveillance video has been turned over to LE. Police say it doesn’t seem to be a major lead.


Thursday October 6, 2011


**Jeremy and Debbie provided LE with a list of 9 names of people that could be possible suspects.

**Per Debbie regarding cell phones and possible other missing items:

~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)




http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old

** police detectives are meeting early this morning to talk about where to search next.

**per Debbie, “Lisa is very sweet and will go to almost anybody.”

**per Jeremy, window was not tampered with, so perp (s) must have come in through unlocked front door.

**Lisa went to bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie went to bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room.

***Debbie and Jeremy have a heated discussion with LE before speeding off in police car to command center to find out about possible new lead. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lis...scussion-with-police-20111006,0,5671503.story

**the list of suspects provided by the parents is now up to 12.

Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a391r9l4


Originally Posted by BeanE [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7196439#post7196439"]

[/ame]--thank you BeanE
Capt. Young: "There is no doubt they informed us that they no longer wish to cooperate with the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:05 PM

Capt. Young: "We have no plans to close the command center yet, but it will close at some point."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:04 PM

Capt. Young: "I don't have to illustrate how their lack of cooperation hurts the investigation."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "I cannot get into the details of the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspect. If we had enough to charge anyone with, we'd probably be pursuing charges."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspects. From an investigative standpoint we've enjoyed their cooperation"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young": The parents have intimate information as to what's been going on...our door is open and it doesn't help that they are no longer cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "They've always been free and cooperative up until this point, but they've decided to stop cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM

Capt. Steve Young: Mother and father of baby Lisa Irwin have stopped cooperating with police
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM


http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1a39rwETg


"This evening we will be shutting down the command post. We believe we have done all we can regarding geographic searches and will continue tracking leads as we get them or develop additional information," police Officer Darin Snapp said in a news release.

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3JybPqG


Family statement: We saw the press conference at 7 PM, and we want you to know we have never stopped cooperating with police.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 9:11 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3m5ocP3


Friday October 7, 2011

(thank you BeanE for gathering these)
#LisaIrwin's mom:We want to thank everybody who has helped us so far.
1 minute ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: we are not angry, we just want our daughter home, that's all we care about.
2 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: we appreciate everything the police dept. has done, we appreciate everything everybody has done.
2 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin mom: we don't know, which is why we need everybody to continue to look for her...because we want her home, we can't do this alone
21 seconds ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: "he's a good father and he's good to me and he loves her and everybody loves her, but no, there's no way." (about father)
38 seconds ago

#LisaIrwin's dad: hasn't taken polygraph but "if that's what it takes..."
3 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: "what do you say when someone tells you that and you know you didn't do anything."
4 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: volunteered to take polygraph, told failed. Says that's not possible.
4 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: We don't care what anybody thinks, we don't care what they think, our concern is to find Lisa, our Lisa.
5 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

#LisaIrwin's Mom: don't have hard feelings, not mad, this is what they (police) have to do.
5 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's Mom: police really nice yesterday, not like that the first time.
6 minutes ago


**Debbie failed LDT. Jeremy has offered, but LE said it’s not necessary.


Floor plan of Debbie and Jeremy’s home (thank you Carriebean)


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19070&d=1317999122

**a neighbor in the area also had her dog come up missing the same night. (maybe related, maybe not)

http://ap.onlineathens.com/pstories/20111007/896530303.shtml
**FBI cleared all the people that Jeremy and Debbie mentioned as possible suspects.


PER FOX NEWS REPORT AT 12:00 P.M.
***Call made from Irwin home at 2:30 a.m.

**Debbie failed the LDT “MISERABLY”

** Jeremy at work constructing a new Starbucks (company? All Current Electric)

**Per the great grandfather (see the end of the following video at the 1:16 mark)


The GGFather then says "they are supposed to...with their lawyer offer some kind of statement to the press at a later time...(-00:19)

Then the reporter then says "...as you just heard, the couple has now hired a lawyer .....

http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/1276...er-Cooperating

Thank you to Hazel for finding this!

***ANONYMOUS TIP—LE searching Shawnee Kansas landfill.


http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...-search-tied-to-Lisa-Irwin-case#ixzz1a7YeLYOn


**FBI: This is the second time they've searched the JOCO landfill. The first was Tuesday - hours after #LisaIrwin was reported missing.
10 minutes ago


**Searching landfill----possible connection to a dumpster fire at 4897 NE 37 st at 2:27 a.m. Tuesday, October 4. Dumpster less than ½ mile from Irwin home. Trash from fire been examined twice. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-pol...-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,5538504.story


#LisaIrwin update: FBI not saying what, if anything, found at landfill.

 

[KathrynL]

BBM: Not dreaming ... I read that also -- the mother stopped a police car ...

Hmmm ... how "lucky" can one get to have a "police car" passing on your street just about the time you need to call 9-1-1 ?

So, they must not have had a landline -- or would have called 9-1-1 from the landline ...

moo ...

The story at the link DrFessel posted above says that the father called police at 4am-it's at the end of the story.

 

[pferrin]

there was a 911 call approx 4:04am.

 

[marge_rita]

Metal detectors???

Sounds even worse. Metal detectors in their back yard??? :banghead:

 

[In da Middle]

BBM: Not dreaming ... I read that also -- the mother stopped a police car ...

Hmmm ... how "lucky" can one get to have a "police car" passing on your street just about the time you need to call 9-1-1 ?

So, they must not have had a landline -- or would have called 9-1-1 from the landline ...

moo ...

i am not sure if the timing was they were pulling up because of their 911 call or if not, they may have been already in the area because of the dumpster fire at the town houses (they are just around the corner from them).

 

[CN2Souls]

By late afternoon Friday, the search had moved to the Irwin backyard.

Authorities were searching the backyard with metal detectors. There is no word on what investigators are looking for, specifically, with the detectors.

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-pol...-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,5538504.story

OMG... They are in their backyard again!!!!!

They must Know something, THEY MUST!!!!!

 

[Cazzie]

The boys are old enough to know that something was amiss, don't you think? And I am sure they have been questioned. jmo

I'm not sure of that. Has it been reported (or leaked) that they've been questioned?

 

[obody]

Hold the phone, something just hit me. We're talking about a 10 month old, right? A SICK 10 month old? I don't know about anyone else's kids, but I can guarantee you my kid would have been screaming bloody murder if a) someone awoke her, ESPECIALLY if she wasn't feeling well and b) that someone was not a primary caretaker. Short of the intruder drugging the child, is mom claiming Lisa is so mild-mannered that she'd allow someone to take her out of the house without making a peep?

I had a little one sleep through a fire alarm in a hotel. Slept through the unbelievably loud noise, me picking her up, and rushing her into the bright lights of the hall and downstairs. Of course, other nights you could sneeze at the other end of the house and she'd wake up.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Metal detectors???

Sims card?

 

[Sleuths4Me]

Not if they were asleep when it happened. If she did it alone, at the very least, that would mean she left them home unattended. If she did not do it, at the very least, means somebody had the most astronomical good luck possible.

I may have missed it but since you are from there what do you think happened?

 

[AnaTeresa]

Just noodling a bit - the family never returned home after Lisa went missing. They went and stayed somewhere else. Had something happened to Lisa in the home at the hands of the parents, you'd think they'd return and try to hide things that LE might not have seen, or arrange things differently. If things did occur in that small window that we're looking at, that's not much time to go through the house.

 

[natsound]

Maybe mom isn't that smart, and doesn't know that the records can be pulled up by LE. Who knows.

But, it almost seems like something a teenager would do, steal the cell phones. If that is the case could it be a young girl that was a friend of the family, or the dad even.:innocent:

If there was a call made from that phone at 2:30AM, and the phone was there, then the phone had to be disposed of between 2:30AM and the time the dad got home at 4AM. That's an hour and a half...not a long time for mom to leave the house, do something with the baby and come back home.Lots of questions..and stuff that makes no sense.

An hour and a half is plenty of time! But at this point I don't think the mother did anything to the baby herself. I think she knows something, and perhaps had a hand in what happened.