MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #6

[In da Middle]

Metal detectors???

Buried phones??

 

[annalia]

I am going to try this again...I am new (returning after a 3 year break) so maybe my opinion is not as well received as others....but that is just what it is...my opinion.

Being from the KC area I can say this story is all over the place...many prayers and thoughts for Baby Lisa as well as the family.

My thoughts on the door being unlocked and the lights on.....when my husband worked the late shift and our kids were young I would occasionally leave the lights on and doors unlocked....perhaps Mom checked on Baby Lisa around 10:30 and then the 5/6 year old woke up or was having a hard time getting to sleep so she took him into her room....thinking she would get him to sleep and then go change laundry or do dishes or something....but because she had been taking care of an sick baby and was exhausted she simply fell asleep...not waking up again until hubby came home. Just a thought.

Additionally, what ever happened to the possible sighting at Love's Truck Stop here in St. Joseph? I have heard on campus that the clerk thought he recognized the child as being Lisa that was with the older couple....that when he spoke the name "Lisa" the child turned around and looked at him and started crying...he called this into the TIPS hotline and 3 hours later the local LE showed up and took the video surveillance tape and sent it to the KCMO LE to check out.....and we have heard nothing from there.

I am still on the fence with the parents...something is off somewhere but so far all I can come up with that can't be explained is that there is a 10 month old little girl missing.

My heart breaks for this family and child....will go back under my rock now and continue with my prayers.

I've left lights on and left doors unlocked, I don't think those things alone are suspicious.

But would a stranger come into a home with the lights still on through the front door? That's pretty brazen, how did they know no one was awake?

 

[lishac23]

Buried phones??

That was my guess.

 

[mysteriew]

Wouldn't the ground show signs of being disturbed if something had been recently buried? Seems like they're still looking for phones, but this is odd. They keep circling back to the same things, over and over. What are they looking for?

It strongly sounds to me like they have a "source". Someone talking to them. They know where things are, just haven't found them yet. Sorta like looking for your lost keys, they just have to keep looking over and over the same areas, because they know they are there, they are just overlooking the exact site.

 

[BeanE]

Sounds even worse. Metal detectors in their back yard??? :banghead:

Would they detect cell phones?

 

[jstwondering]

my kids slept pretty hard when they were sick sometimes after being away coughing

I agree that is true for most sick kids. But because they sleep so hard when they are sick, I remember having the baby monitor on when they were sick, and being aware of every movement or cough, ready to jump up, to make sure my child wouldn't choke on phlegm.

Each parent has their own methods of parenting, but I just think that if my child had a cold, and her daddy was working a night shift for the first time, I would have my cell phone next to me, I would lock the doors (or at the very least, think I locked the doors...) and be aware that someone turned all the lights in the house on. (But maybe that's just me...)

 

[AnaTeresa]

I've left lights on and left doors unlocked, I don't think those things alone are suspicious.

But would a stranger come into a home with the lights still on through the front door? That's pretty brazen, how did they know no one was awake?

Well, if it was a stranger that had been watching the house enough to know the schedule, I could see it. Although according to In da Middle, that would be difficult to do without arousing suspicion in the neighborhood.

 

[liz b.]

Not positive but I think I read Early in the investigation that LE did interview them but I assume they Mom and Dad were with them

And No they can not interview them without Parents consent unless Parents have been formally Charged, (At Least in this county)

I missed that, that LE had interviewed the two boys ? Are they back with their parents at this time ? Or somewhere else ?

 

[chieftess]

I am far from caught up, I'm 2 threads behind, so I'm sure this has already been mentioned.

Several people have questioned if Lisa had a cold got overdosed meds and they covered up her death. Which leads me to why? Who could that benefit?

Then it hit me, what if the boys were playing w/Lisa and she fell and hit her head or in some other way the boys accidentally killed Lisa. As a parent, you would do anything to protect your other two kids. You wouldn't want them to deal with the guilt of killing their baby sister, right? So maybe they covered up her death and think it'll be easier on the boys if their sister was kidnapped?

When I woke up this morning, this exact thought popped into my head. I haven't been able to shake it all day.

 

[BeanE]

Maybe they've got done triangulating the pings from the cell phones and it's pointing to the back yard

 

[In da Middle]

I may have missed it but since you are from there what do you think happened?

I am still sooo not sure. I am now 100% convinced that it was not a 'random' crime. Too many coincidences.

There was no obvious discord or neglect, but you know what they say about 'behind closed doors'.

 

[Jayarre]

I'm curious about what's in that big metal building in the back yard. When LE was searching the house I never saw pictures of the building being searched.

 

[Lizbetbathory]

I just feel so bad for this entire family.

 

[mysteriew]

Would they detect cell phones?

Cell phones contain metal. I'm not sure about SIM cards, but it is possible.

 

[cluciano63]

Well, if it was a stranger that had been watching the house enough to know the schedule, I could see it. Although according to In da Middle, that would be difficult to do without arousing suspicion in the neighborhood.

But this wasn't their schedule if this was the first night hubby went off to work at night...JMO

 

[CN2Souls]

Not to sound like a complete idiot.....

But did LE check on top of the Roof?

We had a case down here where a cell was pinging and LE were looking for days

in the area around the house and couldn't find it


and on the fifth day a helicopter spotted it on the roof.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Just noodling a bit - the family never returned home after Lisa went missing. They went and stayed somewhere else. Had something happened to Lisa in the home at the hands of the parents, you'd think they'd return and try to hide things that LE might not have seen, or arrange things differently. If things did occur in that small window that we're looking at, that's not much time to go through the house.

Unless it happened earlier in the day...before dad even went to work. His going to work as usual would have been necessary. She spent the evening covering her tracks and getting the story straight. She called him on the phone at 2:30 to tell him the baby had been disposed of and then had an afterthought that they better get rid of the phones. He comes home regular time, goes somewhere close to dispose of the phones and then comes back for the discovery that Lisa is gone. Horrible to think that way...but its as possible as anything else has been.

 

[SuziQ]

First sign of a lie. Mom says she went to bed at 10:30 pm. She doesn't mention that at 2:30 am she was up making phone calls.

You would think that with a daughter 'missing' and police asking questions and accusing that she would be saying "talk to so and so" I talked to them in the middle of the night. If she was innocent.

How do we know the perp didn't make the call on purpose or by butt dialing when picking up the phones? Did someone get a hang up call? LE refused to confirm anything about the phones, IIRC. Maybe the time of the call is the the flipside and a clue as to when the perp was in or near the house? I have no idea which it is. Just throwing out another way to view this phone call.

 

[KaylynnCouture]

Metel detectors would hit on cell phones, I'm almost positive.

 

[CKSWarriorQueen]

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-pol...-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,5538504.story

FBI is back at the Irwins' backyard. Posted at 3:50PM today.