MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #6

[mysteriew]

Maybe they've got done triangulating the pings from the cell phones and it's pointing to the back yard

I don't think pings are that specific. They give a general area, not a specific place. I think the area is like 1-5 square miles depending on how many towers the phone is hitting on.

 

[tiredblondy]

Would they detect cell phones?

Oh yes absolutely, even with a foot of snow on top! That's how we found my son's lost cell once.
I know it from experience.
I wondered earlier if they didn't need metal detectors.

 

[cluciano63]

LE is certainly dogged about that house and immediate area...

 

[iamnotagolem]

I just looked at the floor plan that was provided, thanks for posting it!!

So there was no bathroom upstairs? Do we know the dimensions of Lisa's room? Did it used to be a closet?

eta: it was listed as 4 bd 2.5 ba, so there is 1 bd in the basement & 2.5 baths down there?

 

[lishac23]

I am still sooo not sure. I am now 100% convinced that it was not a 'random' crime. Too many coincidences.

There was no obvious discord or neglect, but you know what they say about 'behind closed doors'.

Do you know if the Dad has been out of work for awhile or just recently switched jobs??

 

[Katana]

I'm curious about what's in that big metal building in the back yard. When LE was searching the house I never saw pictures of the building being searched.

It looks to be a detached garage.

 

[liz b.]

When I woke up this morning, this exact thought popped into my head. I haven't been able to shake it all day.

This is also what I think happened. One or both boys may have harmed her. Accidently or not. If so, the parents would have lost all 3 kids in 1 night...MOO Mom could well be protecting one or both boys...She really seems to be emotionally devastated by what has happened. MOO

 

[curiositycat]

Recently there was a case of a man shaking his young son to death in our state. The baby was sick, wouldn't stop crying and the man snapped and shook him to death.

I keep wondering if this could have happened before the dad went to work? It's odd that LE has said, "He has an alibi, and we won't give him a LD test." Are they assuming that this happened after he went to work? That's an awfully big assumption IMHO.

 

[annalia]

Hold the phone, something just hit me. We're talking about a 10 month old, right? A SICK 10 month old? I don't know about anyone else's kids, but I can guarantee you my kid would have been screaming bloody murder if a) someone awoke her, ESPECIALLY if she wasn't feeling well and b) that someone was not a primary caretaker. Short of the intruder drugging the child, is mom claiming Lisa is so mild-mannered that she'd allow someone to take her out of the house without making a peep?

My kids could sleep through just about anything, I could put lights on, change them, pick them up and they either didn't wake up or fell right back to sleep. If this was a stranger and Lisa had been sound asleep, I could see if she had been gently picked her up and carried out, she may have not even been fully aware of what was going on.

JMHO

 

[MyBelle]

I wanted to put my 2 cents in about the cell phones. Dad was at work possible has acess to a phone mom's phone is the one that was broke, they buy a new one and with baby being sick needs a phone to call someone ( her mum doc what ever) so keeps dads phone, and is in the process of taking numbers from her old phone to the new one. That is why there were 3 phones.

Her clothes she wore to bed ... or didnt.... When my kids were sick cold flu what ever at that age sometimes they had diaherria, I put them in pants/ shorts to sleep.. it made clean up easier as the poo didnt go everywhere as much. Whether the parental units did it or not... Honestly, does it TRUELY matter? If they did then most probably they will get caught. If they didnt do it then SOMEONE did. This lil one has more people out there then her parents who love her. Arguing over thier guilt when it is unknown is in someways mean. If Lisa grandma and grandpa or aunties and uncles read this they wont like it. Just send prayers she is found whole and ok. If she isnt Pray she is found for her siblings and parents and OTHER loved ones have closure NO MATTER WHO DID IT

I think disposing of a child is as mean as it gets.

I always put my babies to bed in a diaper. I'd never leave a pair of shorts over the diaper because it would serve no purpose and be a hassle to remove if the baby awakened and needed a diaper change. PJ's have snaps along the legs for good reason. And the mother said she first fed her a bottle so it wasn't a situation where the shorts were left on to avoid awakening an already asleep baby.

The mother claiming the child was wearing shorts was a huge red flag amongst several, it seems.

JMO

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Would they detect cell phones?

Lots of metal in a cell phone. Gold plating and stuff. Look at the contacts on a SIMS card they are gold.

 

[mysteriew]

Not to sound like a complete idiot.....

But did LE check on top of the Roof?

We had a case down here where a cell was pinging and LE were looking for days

in the area around the house and couldn't find it


and on the fifth day a helicopter spotted it on the roof.

Excellent idea. You ought to tiip that! The roof, gutters and air vents would be excellent hiding places.

 

[BeanE]

I can't get the visual outta my head of LE zeroing in on the metal building in the back of the house with the metal detectors.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

The story at the link DrFessel posted above says that the father called police at 4am-it's at the end of the story.

Thanks ... I edited my earlier post ... I hope it does not cause any confusion. :innocent:

I had read in the Timeline that the mother ran out in to the street and stopped a police car ... I thought this was odd ...

So ... if the father called the police at 4:00 a.m. -- WHAT phone did he call from ?

moo ...

 

[kantoo]

Recently there was a case of a man shaking his young son to death in our state. The baby was sick, wouldn't stop crying and the man snapped and shook him to death.

I keep wondering if this could have happened before the dad went to work? It's odd that LE has said, "He has an alibi, and we won't give him a LD test." Are they assuming that this happened after he went to work? That's an awfully big assumption IMHO.

bbm
That's another thing the Captain told Megan Kelly on Fox today, that he denies that he said Irwin did not need to take a LDT, and he won't talk about whether Irwin had an airtight alibi

 

[CarrieBean]

Well, LE is certainly not slacking off.

 

[annalia]

I think disposing of a child is as mean as it gets.

I always put my babies to bed in a diaper. I'd never leave a pair of shorts over the diaper because it would serve no purpose and be a hassle to remove if the baby awakened and needed a diaper change. PJ's have snaps along the legs for good reason. And the mother said she first fed her a bottle so it wasn't a situation where the shorts were left on to avoid awakening an already asleep baby.

The mother claiming the child was wearing shorts was a huge red flag amongst several, it seems.

JMO

Do we know for sure whether the shorts were pajama shorts or regular shorts?

 

[SuziQ]

How would the intruder know they didn't have a landline?

A stranger necessarily wouldn't, but someone familiar with the family might. Come to think of it, alot of random people I come across daily, house repairs, the bank, etc. know I don't have a landline because they ask for my home and cell and I state I only have a cell. I just realized how much info I give out without realizing it.

 

[natsound]

It looks to be a detached garage.

Where are we seeing this? Is there a live link to any activity at the house?

 

[krimekat]

Do you know if the Dad has been out of work for awhile or just recently switched jobs??

new job . . .