MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #7

[CHICANA]

One boy belongs to Jeremy and one boy belongs to Debbie and Lisa was theirs together.

Does Jeremy have sole custody of his son ? Could his ex be ticked that another woman is raising her child ? Could it be a situation that his ex felt if she couldn't have her child, Deborah wasn't going to either ?
I see the hink, but I'm not ready to believe it's the parents yet.

 

[DairyGirl]

:waitasec:How can LE prove it was mom that used the cell phone unless they had the conversation recorded? LE can prove the phone was used based on pings but they cannot tell who was actually using the phone.

Unless they know who the call was made to and interviewed that person. I could see LE telling that person to keep quiet as to not interfere with the investigation.

 

[grandmaj]

What time did the 911 call come in?

 

[Just K]

The pictures are from today. Was just on Nightline and the corespondent specifically made note of the fact that they went into the house right after the police took down the crime scene tape. So the question begs, why was all that stuff in the crib, how long was it like that, who put it there and why didn't the crime scene investigators take any of the bedding? Oh, and why was the mattress still in the higher position?

 

[norest4thewicked]

What time did the 911 call come in?

I thought they said 4:04 am

 

[yllek]

That goes both ways. What would be the point in the mom getting rid of them? LE could easily get the phone records.

I follow various cases and know a bit about phone records and pings. I didn't know til earlier today that text messages (the actual message content, not just the time/sender/recipient) and pics could be pulled by the service provider. I thought the message content could probably only be pulled from the phone itself. Not a stretch to think the perp (whomever that may be) might be as ignorant as I!. MOO.

 

[EllaMae]

I don't know. Not locking the door screams to me. I lived alone for over 20 years. Then I remarried and always had my husband here at night and he locks up the doors each and every night. When he went into the hospital 2 years ago I actually was in a panic living in this house for the first time without him here at night. I wasn't comfortable at all and checked the locks numerous times.

If this was the first time J worked nights I would think it wouldn't be an incidental to lock the door but more of a real thought that hey before I go to bed I have to secure the house J isn't here.

I posted this earlier but I will repeat it just for discussion's sake..
I was a single Mom for over 15 years, and I forgot to lock the door several times. I would fall asleep on the couch, or get caught up in something with the kids and forget to check it. Or sometimes the kids would open it to let the cat in, and I'd forget to recheck it. It didn't happen often, but it did happen occasionally.
Now that they are older and in college...I never forget to lock the door because I am not distracted by babies and small children.

 

[DairyGirl]

This case reminds me a bit of the Sabrina Aisenberg case of about 15 yrs ago in which an adorable baby (approx 5 months old) "disappeared" out of the parents' home during the night and was never seen again. The parents came under much scrutiny by police and may have been involved but the investigation ultimately went no where. There are 2 other kids in the family, both older.

Anyway, this latest baby missing case reminded me instantly of that one.

I sure hope it doesn't turn out the same, unsolved.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Not if you only realize it later.

How do you realize it later? How do you know you did not lock it?

 

[3doglady]

It appears she said the reason the kidnapper took the phones was so they could not call 911. I was a little confused about this - the report said something about her waving a cop down in the driveway?

It was reported that Jeremy's (work)phone was confiscated by LE. Sorry I don't have the link but it may be in the timeline.

 

[CatFancier]

So, I'm just not going to let myself go toward thinking of the parents. This little one is adorable and I have to hold on to something clean and nice as long as I can and hope for the best.

That said, what about a past babysitter or even a relative who didn't agree with something going on in the house (for example, recreational drugs, money handling, parenting style, whatever...) so they thought they would "rescue" precious Lisa?

If this person was connected to someone else close to the family (relative married to another relative, babysitter married to a work friend, etc.), they could have used the phone to contact their partner.

Just trying to think outside of the current box we've found ourselves in.

 

[lauriej]

Tell me if this link doesn't work. It shows that he is the owner & the last sale date was 11/1/2002. I thought the same thing, no way could I have bought a house at that age. I think it's Deborah that hasn't lived there long. I also wonder why the home phone is registered to a male -last name Netz instead of Jeremy. Maybe someone else had been living there ? Got kicked out & still had a key ?

http://gisweb.claycogov.com/realEstate/realEstateDetail.jsp?parcelid=18115001400500

..so, they do have a land line?

..netz is deborah's maiden name.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Or 4:30 maybe. I'm checking to find it now.

 

[EllaMae]

Thanks for the clarification.

Can any catch me up on what happened with the neighbor's tip? The couple seemed very sure that they saw Lisa with a man one street over in the middle of the night.

I've wondered about that too.

 

[3doglady]

How do you realize it later? How do you know you did not lock it?

I've gotten up several mornings to find the back door unlocked. My DH always says "Oh yeah, I took the dogs out and forgot to lock it again.'"

 

[gwenabob]

Per public records, JI bought the house in 2002.

Really? Wow. I thought a few posts back someone says he was born in 1984. That would mean he was only 18 when he bought this house? That is quite an accomplishment.

 

[norest4thewicked]

I am seeing several times grandmaj....i will keep looking.

 

[secretagent]

What would you expect LE would find by testing the bedding?

Ummmm DNA, hair/bodily fluids/ finger prints (on the crib itself) fibers etc. etc. etc.

 

[secretagent]

Meeting a deadline?

for holiday SEASON, DEFINITELY

 

[redfish]

The pictures are from today. Was just on Nightline and the corespondent specifically made note of the fact that they went into the house right after the police took down the crime scene tape. So the question begs, why was all that stuff in the crib, how long was it like that, who put it there and why didn't the crime scene investigators take any of the bedding? Oh, and why was the mattress still in the higher position?

Thanks. A viable theory may be that the poor child flipped over the railing and hit her head then, cause she is way too tall for the mattress to be that high. I don't mean to be disrespectul at all to little Lisa but if that bed was in the position shown in that picture on the night she disappeared then a terrible accident could have occurred I might also go so far as to say probably occurred.

Perhaps that is part of the deception. She was never put to bed in her room?