MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #7

[Shelby1]

Lisa Irwin Timeline

Monday October 3, 2011

Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house.

UPDATE—according to police spokesman window may not be correct.

3620 block of North Lister 64117

CORRECTION TO ABOVE GIVEN BY JEREMY IN PHONE INTERVIEW 10-6-2011

Lisa in bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie in bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room. Point of entry by abductor was unlocked front door, window mentioned earlier was NOT tampered with.

UPDATE 10-6-11 3 cell phones also taken. One does not even work. Also, dad came home to find front door unlocked, most of the lights on and front window open.

Jeremy Irwin, Lisa’s father, told local media that whoever took his daughter also took all three of their cell phones so they couldn’t call anybody, including 911.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/06/3190568/cell-phones-taken-along-with-missing.html#ixzz1a1QJj8XG


~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)

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Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the 6 year old is Debbie’s and the 8 year old is Jeremy’s from previous relationships.)—Correction. One son—the 6 year old was asleep with the mom and a stray kitten he had found earlier in the day.

Father is electrician that works nights. This night was the first night he EVER worked at night.—Jeremy http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/miss...olice-14688735

Mother is a SAHM--Debbie

Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.

**Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--“He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence,” Parscale said, “but then my husband drove off so we’re thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.”

**Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.


Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib.

UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speaking—Parents’ story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.

Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served it’s purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.

*** Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-aut...rch-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,6273053.story

Tuesday 9:25 p.m.

Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
by cliffjudy via twitter 9:25 P

**family stayed with relatives after being questioned until 10:30 p.m.

Wednesday October 5, 2011

9:00 a.m. press conference Capt. Steve Young speaking—basically no new information. Still searching with dogs, however there have been no hits. Parents not ruled out, but also not suspects. Very cooperative.


** KMBC's Jana Corrie: Children who were also inside the home at the time of the disappearance staying with neighbors

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv

**conflicting reports…unless the Grandparents are being referred to as “neighbors”


NBC Action News reporter Sloane Heller reports Lisa’s grandparents are watching the couple’s other children and have not been able to reach them since earlier Tuesday.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz


Next news conference sometime this afternoon.

2:00 news conference—Jeremy spoke with Deborah (Bradley?) by his side. Begged for baby to be dropped off somewhere safe. The brothers are waiting to see their sister. Declined to take questions.

Again, Capt. Has no leads, not ruling out anything. 300 knocks and searches. 46 tips. No ransom note. Family is free to go where they would like. Family does not want to be at house.

**Alleged sighting of Lisa with a middle aged white male and female at a Love’s gas station in St. Joseph, MO I-29 and US HWY 169. Driving older model SUV. Article came out around 5:15 p.m. Surveillance video has been turned over to LE. Police say it doesn’t seem to be a major lead.


Thursday October 6, 2011


**Jeremy and Debbie provided LE with a list of 9 names of people that could be possible suspects.

**Per Debbie regarding cell phones and possible other missing items:

~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)




http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old

** police detectives are meeting early this morning to talk about where to search next.

**per Debbie, “Lisa is very sweet and will go to almost anybody.”

**per Jeremy, window was not tampered with, so perp (s) must have come in through unlocked front door.

**Lisa went to bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie went to bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room.

***Debbie and Jeremy have a heated discussion with LE before speeding off in police car to command center to find out about possible new lead. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lis...scussion-with-police-20111006,0,5671503.story

**the list of suspects provided by the parents is now up to 12.

Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a391r9l4


Originally Posted by BeanE [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7196439#post7196439"]

[/ame]--thank you BeanE
Capt. Young: "There is no doubt they informed us that they no longer wish to cooperate with the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:05 PM

Capt. Young: "We have no plans to close the command center yet, but it will close at some point."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:04 PM

Capt. Young: "I don't have to illustrate how their lack of cooperation hurts the investigation."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "I cannot get into the details of the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspect. If we had enough to charge anyone with, we'd probably be pursuing charges."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspects. From an investigative standpoint we've enjoyed their cooperation"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young": The parents have intimate information as to what's been going on...our door is open and it doesn't help that they are no longer cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "They've always been free and cooperative up until this point, but they've decided to stop cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM

Capt. Steve Young: Mother and father of baby Lisa Irwin have stopped cooperating with police
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM


http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1a39rwETg


"This evening we will be shutting down the command post. We believe we have done all we can regarding geographic searches and will continue tracking leads as we get them or develop additional information," police Officer Darin Snapp said in a news release.

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3JybPqG


Family statement: We saw the press conference at 7 PM, and we want you to know we have never stopped cooperating with police.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 9:11 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3m5ocP3


Friday October 7, 2011

(thank you BeanE for gathering these)
#LisaIrwin's mom:We want to thank everybody who has helped us so far.
1 minute ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: we are not angry, we just want our daughter home, that's all we care about.
2 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: we appreciate everything the police dept. has done, we appreciate everything everybody has done.
2 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin mom: we don't know, which is why we need everybody to continue to look for her...because we want her home, we can't do this alone
21 seconds ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: "he's a good father and he's good to me and he loves her and everybody loves her, but no, there's no way." (about father)
38 seconds ago

#LisaIrwin's dad: hasn't taken polygraph but "if that's what it takes..."
3 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: "what do you say when someone tells you that and you know you didn't do anything."
4 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: volunteered to take polygraph, told failed. Says that's not possible.
4 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: We don't care what anybody thinks, we don't care what they think, our concern is to find Lisa, our Lisa.
5 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

#LisaIrwin's Mom: don't have hard feelings, not mad, this is what they (police) have to do.
5 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's Mom: police really nice yesterday, not like that the first time.
6 minutes ago


**Debbie failed LDT. Jeremy has offered, but LE said it’s not necessary.


Floor plan of Debbie and Jeremy’s home (thank you Carriebean)


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19070&d=1317999122

**a neighbor in the area also had her dog come up missing the same night. (maybe related, maybe not)

http://ap.onlineathens.com/pstories/20111007/896530303.shtml
**FBI cleared all the people that Jeremy and Debbie mentioned as possible suspects.


PER FOX NEWS REPORT AT 12:00 P.M.
***Call made from Irwin home at 2:30 a.m.

**Debbie failed the LDT “MISERABLY”

** Jeremy at work constructing a new Starbucks (company? All Current Electric)

**Per the great grandfather (see the end of the following video at the 1:16 mark)


The GGFather then says "they are supposed to...with their lawyer offer some kind of statement to the press at a later time...(-00:19)

Then the reporter then says "...as you just heard, the couple has now hired a lawyer .....

http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/1276...er-Cooperating

Thank you to Hazel for finding this!

***ANONYMOUS TIP—LE searching Shawnee Kansas landfill.


http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...-search-tied-to-Lisa-Irwin-case#ixzz1a7YeLYOn


**FBI: This is the second time they've searched the JOCO landfill. The first was Tuesday - hours after #LisaIrwin was reported missing.
10 minutes ago


**Searching landfill----possible connection to a dumpster fire at 4897 NE 37 st at 2:27 a.m. Tuesday, October 4. Dumpster less than ½ mile from Irwin home. Trash from fire been examined twice. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-pol...-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,5538504.story


#LisaIrwin update: FBI not saying what, if anything, found at landfill.

**searching using metal detectors behind the Irwin house.

** possible sighting in California
http://www.kmbc.com/r/29420106/detail.html

 

[Jacie Estes]

Yes...but the FBI does not automatically go to every kidnapping no matter how tender of years the child is. I'm just wondering what the reason is that they were brought in. Feds don't have the money or manpower to just go anywhere they want. As well, LE are very protective of their jurisdictions and I just would love to know the reasoning behind it.

There is a field office in KCMO

Federal Bureau-Investigation
1300 Summit St, Kansas City, MO 64105
(816) 221-6100 Website

 

[norest4thewicked]

Well....maybe. It also could be perhaps because of a natural inclination on their part to direct attention away from the fact that they haven't any.

I agree! I'm baffled too!

 

[iamnotagolem]

I agree. My daughter is 18 months old, but she is the size of a much younger child. She's only in 12 month clothes. (we're all tiny, but she was born early too on top of it.) Even she has her crib on the lowest setting.

I don't know that it means anything though because we don't know how it got to its current position. We don't know if someone raised it up to look around under it when they were searching, or what. I do know mom said she sleeps with her Gloworm at night and I don't see a Gloworm, so I assume a lot of things in the room aren't as they were before. MOO.

BBM I'm not familiar with all cribs, but the ones I have seen/used all had to be unscrewed in 4 places to be moved to a new position. I just can't see the LE going through all the effort to remove the bed slat and then put it back. I guess it's possible they took it apart and whoever came in and cleaned and remade the bed didn't realize that Lisa was 10 months old and put the bed at the higher position.

My kids are small and their mattress was moved down when they could pull up. 5 months or less

 

[belimom]

One thing that bothers me about the video of the mom - the one on ABC. The reporter asks the mom what LE said to her, and the mom replied that they told her that she killed her baby. She used the word "kill", without flinching. I would burst into tears if talking about that word and one of my children in the same sentence. And I'd collapse of the thought that my child may be dead and that LE was thinking that, too. It just seemed to roll off her tongue too easily. Please take my armchair analysis with a grain of salt - I'm just thinking out loud. We all react differently but it's something I noted.

ETA: I think it's this video: http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/inside-baby-lisas-home-14693905

 

[Peepers]

From what I saw on Good Morning America, the mother herself stated the police told her she failed the polygraph and was being deceptive. they did not tell her what questions she failed. Both parents said they answered the same questions over and over and over for hours and then the cops started pushing her and saying they know she did it and she should admit it and tell them where Lisa is. Meantime, husband tells the cops they need a break, its too much. From there, LE starts saying they are not cooperating and creating big headlines in the town. On GMA, they said if they had anything more to add, or the police have other questions they will answer, they are just tired of answering all the same things and sitting there while LE basically accuses them of doing something with the baby.
I am paraphrasing the interview I watched. Maybe its on you tube or the GMa website, but I agree the husband is very reserved, I can see why it would be overwhelming to answer the same questions over and over and be accused. If they have a lawyer, I dont blame them. Not everyone can afford a lawyer, thats the sad part.

 

[wfgodot]

I agree! I'm baffled too!

I think I'm going to incorporate being in a general state of bafflement into my signature when I get around to it!

 

[norest4thewicked]

Nah, it is not Fox news. They have never been on it.

I had Fox news on all day and this case was all over it.

 

[Inspector Gidget]

Media Deal,their child is missing,shouldn't they be out their with their hands and knees looking for their baby? What is wrong with people? I would be crying my eyes out and inconsolable.I would have my rumpus parked at the police station and they could take my blood if they wanted too,just find my baby.

 

[hollye]

Issues & observations I have with this photo that really make me feel like something happened other than an abduction...

1. Height of the crib mattress. You are supposed to lower a mattress to the lowest setting as soon as the baby is able to roll because once they can roll, they are not far from being able to grab on and pull up, potentially pulling over the crib rail. My niece did this at 4mo.

2. The foot of the crib (left side of the photo) appears to be raised even higher than the other end. If Lisa had a cold, it is possible that the mattress was raised at one end to assist Lisa with breathing better. We do this with my kids, but also have the crib mattress on the lowest setting. With it raised, she could have had an easier time pulling over the rail.

3. The crib bumper and quilt. If Lisa had a cold, she could possibly have been in a deeper sleep and could very well have rolled against the bumper or quilt and smothered against those items. I know people use them and I know many a child has survived having them in their crib, but they have always scared me. I know of too many older babies and smaller infants, who have suffocated due to fluffy bedding.

4. Did LE seriously not take the bedding and did they really place other contaminating items into the potential crime scene? I have no words!

 

[BeanE]

One thing that bothers me about the video of the mom - the one on ABC. The reporter asks the mom what LE said to her, and the mom replied that they told her that she killed her baby. She used the word "kill", without flinching. I would burst into tears if talking about that word and one of my children in the same sentence. And I'd collapse of the thought that my child may be dead and that LE was thinking that, too. It just seemed to roll off her tongue too easily. Please take my armchair analysis with a grain of salt - I'm just thinking out loud. We all react differently but it's something I noted.

ETA: I think it's this video: http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/inside-baby-lisas-home-14693905

It disturbed me too. I'm trying my best to give this mom every benefit of the doubt possible, but I'm starting to have a hard time.

I hope tomorrow, she'll go and talk with LE, as hard as it is. Lisa needs her to talk to LE, no matter what happened.

 

[Lera213]

You don't have the urgency anymore to search for your baby when your accused by LE of doing something to her I suppose /sarcastic

 

[Shelby1]

I had Fox news on all day and this case was all over it.

I think Dr. Fessel means that they've never been personally interviewed on the main FOX channel.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I had Fox news on all day and this case was all over it.

The parents have not done an interview for fox.

 

[vlpate]

I understand that. But a great many of them are older, or it's suspected to be a parent, etc. This is an apparent infant abduction from her home. I think that probably narrows the scope enough to warrant help from the FBI.

I guess you could be right, but IMO, having the FBI on the case isn't suspicious.

FBI an get involved in any kidnapping after 24 hours, or at least that is how I understand it.

 

[norest4thewicked]

I think Dr. Fessel means that they've never been personally interviewed on the main FOX channel.

Yeah...I'm thinking that it is ABC now. But, right after it was said that they had signed a deal with a major news agency, I turned to Fox and it was on there every few minutes or so.

 

[mrye4709]

Here's a video of "inside baby Lisa's home" and it shows the crib looking just like it does in that photo..

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/inside-baby-lisas-home-14693905

Ok, I have been on these parents side all the way so far, but this video concerns me.
1. crib mattress height
2. stuff in crib/looks like outgrown items, but why and when was it put there?
3. plastic and duct tape over window in reach of baby/unless it is from damaged window?
4. cords
5. drawers stacked/where is the dresser? how do you keep a 10 mth old from tossing this stuff?
6. shoes against wall like older child/again, how do you keep a 10 mth old from tossing and losing?
7. baby swing/isn't she too big for this?
I could probably put more but i'm behind and it may have been discussed already.

This doesn't look like a room that a 10 mth old currently uses? How was Lisa in here?

 

[cluciano63]

I think LE has been searching pretty hard for 4 days...landfills, woods, etc...without having any info at all, they put out an Amber Alert, which is almost never done without a vehicle or a suspect description. I don't see why anyone would think they are only blaming and not looking, but not sure where else they are supposed to look, especially if they have learned things that keep bringing them back to the house, the woods and the yard.

 

[Irish_Eyes]

BBM I'm not familiar with all cribs, but the ones I have seen/used all had to be unscrewed in 4 places to be moved to a new position. I just can't see the LE going through all the effort to remove the bed slat and then put it back. I guess it's possible they took it apart and whoever came in and cleaned and remade the bed didn't realize that Lisa was 10 months old and put the bed at the higher position.

My kids are small and their mattress was moved down when they could pull up. 5 months or less

Good point. I have to sheepishly admit that I have no idea if that's the way our crib is or not. I just told my husband one day that we needed to lower it and *poof* - like magic - it was lower. I'll have to ask him if that's how ours is too.

 

[wfgodot]

A good recounting just posted of the recent controversy on CNN/Nancy Grace blog:

Missing Baby’s Parents Insist They Are Still Cooperating With Police

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Irwin, the father of 10-month-old baby Lisa Irwin, tried to explain why he halted a police interview Thursday afternoon.
“I reached my boiling point…I said, ‘Guys, I can’t do this anymore today. I need a break. I can’t answer any more questions.’ Then we asked to leave and the next thing we knew was the press conference yesterday evening so it completely caught us by surprise.”
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more at link above; if you've followed the case religiously last night and today, not much here we don't already know, but a very good catch-up for those a bit behind the curve