MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #7

[vlpate]

It is troubling. I agree, I would do whatever it takes, up to and including allowing any other children in the house to be questioned. If they are refusing to allow their children to be interviewed you have to wonder why. But I don't know that they haven't been interviewed. I was just responding to the statement that the police may have dropped the ball if they hadn't talked to the other children. LE doesn't have the legal right to interview the children without the parents permission.

I would be willing to bet there are a lot of information that the public does not know about just yet.

LE does not have to have the parents permission to interview a minor. I think, in some States, the parents must be notified, but they don't need "permission".

 

[MyBelle]

I agree. That's what makes this so interesting to me. Saying you failed a polygraph doesn't help you at all in the court of public opinion. So why did she admit she failed the test? It makes little sense. Unless maybe she's telling the truth and doesn't realize it looks bad. I'm not sure myself at this point.

Her behavior is why I think the baby is somewhere safe and sound and she knows it. She's in a form of denial and in her mind she hasn't harmed the baby so she's upset that police are accusing her. I'm trying to give her the benefit of the doubt. I have many doubts.

Or she may be just as messed up as Casey Anthony. At this point, hard for us to know what is the truth.

JMO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Somewhere in the last couple of pages I thought I also read the pings showed somewhere close to the house. So which is it? Arrrrggggg Yes the phone records don't go away because the phone does.

I guess if you would check my cell phone pings they would show close to my house also. Makes sense right?

 

[Just K]

We're thinking that is a window covered with, what appears to be, black plastic (trash bags?) & duct tape.

Kind of creepy, huh? And, Nightline made a point that they went into the house as soon as LE released the crime scene (took down the crime tape.)

So, one has to wonder who filled the crib with all that stuff, why and when?

 

[MyBelle]

What bothers me about this tactic though is those before that have tried it. Misty Croslin comes to mind. How many lie detector tests did Misty fail? And yet she came out swinging that LE was trying to pin something on her she didn't do. I still don't know what happened in that case but I know one thing as sure as I sit here. Misty has lied and still hasn't come clean and while she may not have hurt Haleigh she is playing dumb about someone else.

Indeed, has it been a successful tactic ever? We also do know that Casey Anthony lied and was prosecuted for it.

JMO

 

[vlpate]

What bothers me about this tactic though is those before that have tried it. Misty Croslin comes to mind. How many lie detector tests did Misty fail? And yet she came out swinging that LE was trying to pin something on her she didn't do. I still don't know what happened in that case but I know one thing as sure as I sit here. Misty has lied and still hasn't come clean and while she may not have hurt Haleigh she is playing dumb about someone else.

Many times the lie detector test is used solely for interrogation purposes - as you stated, even if the suspect is found to be lying, it is really meaningless at the end of the day. No one is arrested for failing a polygraph, but sometimes the failing of one reinforces LE's suspicions.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Kind of creepy, huh? And, Nightline made a point that they went into the house as soon as LE released the crime scene (took down the crime tape.)

So, one has to wonder who filled the crib with all that stuff, why and when?

LE, because it was a small room and there were a lot of them and couldn't move around with all the stuff on the floor. That would be my thought.

 

[liz b.]

Bedtime is the worst time for a mother I think. Especially as the kids get older. I was just on the phone with my daughter. The kids are healthy all summer long. They go back to school and one has bronchitis and one strep. So both of those boys are on antibiotics the little one on liquid antibiotics which is mixed with a syrup and the kids don't eat much sugar. He is off the wall with this antibiotic. She said Mom he is out of his brain tonight. The commotion in the house with the 4 of them tonight was just incredible. My granddaughter crying because one of the boys took some little toy that she really loved. And no one could find it. The second oldest having just received his Halloween Costume in the mail from us running around acting Ninja. They all feed off of one another. One of them was tearing his bed apart looking for something.... it went on and on tonight. And my grandkids while kids are pretty well behaved until bedtime. I don't know how daughter does it to be honest. It is crazy for those few hours in that house. And she is alone my SIL works nights.

So I guess I wonder what happened in those hours. Was it a wild night? Did all the kids go down quietly for their sleep? Was the baby fussy? I know when my daughter was that age if she didn't feel well she wanted to be in my bed next to me, and I wanted her there so that I could watch her.

There is a big piece of this puzzle missing.

Nothing at all was mentioned about the boys that night.Other than the kitten story. Nothing mentioned about when Jeremy left the house.

I forget, did Lisa's mom say that 7:30 was the last time that WE saw her ? If so, did she mean her and Jeremy ? Or her and the boys ? I must go back,try to find that... But, yes, part of the puzzle is missing MOO

 

[DairyGirl]

kmbc KMBC
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1 hour ago

KMBC is an ABC affiliate

Oh, I knew that. I wonder how much money they made for those pictures. Kidnapped children are pretty lucrative these days.

 

[BeanE]

News article and video about the vigil tonight

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-vigil-held-for-missing-baby-lisa-20111005,0,551920.story

 

[Cher352]

Scaring thought....

We live on a 1 1/2 acre lot in small isolated subdivision and I can remember our baby monitor occasionlly picking up some muted conversations. That was years before ever coming here so I didn't think much about it other that it was weird.

But tonight when I think about it, anyone with a receiver on the same frequency could possibly be hearing everything the monitor in your home picks up too.

Tell me I am wrong, please!

 

[wfgodot]

Many times the lie detector test is used solely for interrogation purposes - as you stated, even if the suspect is found to be lying, it is really meaningless at the end of the day. No one is arrested for failing a polygraph, but sometimes the failing of one reinforces LE's suspicions.

Also, I've read that another major factor in LE's evaluation of the polygraph process is the subject's willingness to take it - if they're gung-ho and submit to one bright and early in the case, that can mean as much or more than whether they wind up passing or failing.

Not sure if that's the case here, of course.

 

[vlpate]

LE, because it was a small room and there were a lot of them and couldn't move around with all the stuff on the floor. That would be my thought.

But as many have pointed out, why didn't they take the bed linens? Did someone make the bed? Seems odd for someone to take the time to make the bed and not take down the garbage bags off the windows.

 

[neesaki]

I just had a thought. Not accusing anyone, just thinking out loud here. LE reportedly does not want a poly from the dad. Dad's first night out of the home for a job. A sick child. Two little boys...

Bear with me - I'm getting there. I just got off the phone with my mom who is alone with our 2 kids this weekend. She said it wasn't going well and they wouldn't go to sleep. DD was crying for us. I finally told her to let them in bed with her to watch a movie and eventually fall asleep (my mother is too old to get worked up trying to get them to bed).

Then a light bulb clicked: what if (I'm just speculating) this is the mom's first night ever with baby Lisa and both boys? Baby Lisa is sick, the boys are active, maybe dad usually helps with bedtime routine. I know my own DH helps tremendously at bedtime in our family. So - what if there was an accident? It's only been recently - last couple of years, maybe? - that they had said don't give Benadryl, etc., to young children, especially to "get them to go to sleep", etc. What if mom finally had had enough and gave the baby something to get her to sleep?

I honestly am suspicious of her reactions - more so than dad's. He seems totally shell-shocked, puzzled, doesn't know which way is up, overwhelmed. Almost catatonic in some videos. I think he is honestly shocked and trying to figure it all out.

However, sometimes truth is stranger than fiction so who knows what really has happened to little Lisa? It could be a stranger, an acquaintance, a family member/friend, or the parents. I feel like a dog chasing its tail on this case.

I understand what you're saying. Realize, though, that babies die everyday from SID's, sudden infant death syndrome, also known as "crib death". So, if for instance she checked on the baby and found her dead, why would she assume it was caused from her giving her a normal dose of baby Benadryl or pediatric cold medication? The average, loving mother would have called 911 and gotten help. Giving a baby a routine over the counter medication should not cause a mother to think she is at fault for the baby's death. So to me this is not an explanation. Accidental death is no possible reason to cause a reasonable parent to then dispose of the baby's body and claim they were kidnapped. JMO

 

[AnonymousD]

I think that the general consensus here is that this was used to block light for luminol testing. I think that's what most thought it was for. Others thought for other reasons, but it had to do with something LE did.

Yes, TY for adding that, norest!

 

[CatFancier]

If I felt that I was being railroaded for a crime I did not commit.....I would stop talking to the cops immediately, and get myself a lawyer.

The West Memphis 3 comes to mind as I'm typing.

And to use your post as a springboard...if they did that to me, they are absolutely not going to talk to my kids.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Just something that has been rolling around in my head for awhile.

Broken cell phone, re programing numbers into a cell phone, changing shifts at work and routines interrupted all remind me of when my daughter caught my son in-law cheating on her.

 

[norest4thewicked]

But as many have pointed out, why didn't they take the bed linens? Did someone make the bed? Seems odd for someone to take the time to make the bed and not take down the garbage bags off the windows.

I have no idea. But I can tell you that this is just one of many things about this case that stumps me.

 

[Kakidoll]

I've gotten no work done and can't keep up with these threads tonight.

I could have sworn somewhere (and I don't have the patience right now to go thru all the threads) that someone had a said a year for her living there. Now if JI is in his late 20's, and he bought the house in 2002, he was quite young and prices were def. higher then.

I also thought ( again, sorry, i'm tired) that i found a Debra L Bradley that was born in 86, on that site posted in last post. She had a different address in 10 and then couldn't be served. Then address is listed as 'current one. Some records i found did not have BD's and it could be a different DB. I don't have the best sites for research, just used the MO court system.
And it was stated somewhere earlier that she was in her 20's too..... which would be the 86 date... So i'm very confused. She does look older.

Also, doesn't another relative live relatively close? I thought (and i promise i'll research better tomorrow) that there was another address given for JI a few years back. Not that it matters in a big way, just wondering about financial motives.

Sorry for the rambling..... i just can't stop thinking about this lil one tonight.
Really want Mom and Dad to work with LE...... with or without lawyers.

 

[miabellamoure]

Nothing at all was mentioned about the boys that night.Other than the kitten story. Nothing mentioned about when Jeremy left the house.

I forget, did Lisa's mom say that 7:30 was the last time that WE saw her ? If so, did she mean her and Jeremy ? Or her and the boys ? I must go back,try to find that... But, yes, part of the puzzle is missing MOO

She said it was 10:30 pm that she gave the baby a bottle and laid her down and that was the last time WE saw her and she looked straight at Jeremy when she said that...