MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #7

[MyBelle]

Also, I've read that another major factor in LE's evaluation of the polygraph process is the subject's willingness to take it - if they're gung-ho and submit to one bright and early in the case, that can mean as much or more than whether they wind up passing or failing.

Not sure if that's the case here, of course.

I think the reason LE told her she lied is because LE can prove she lied.

iow, LE asked her a question that LE already knew the answer to. Such as something about a call to/from her cell phone perhaps made when she claimed to be asleep.

JMO

 

[vlpate]

Nothing at all was mentioned about the boys that night.Other than the kitten story. Nothing mentioned about when Jeremy left the house.

I forget, did Lisa's mom say that 7:30 was the last time that WE saw her ? If so, did she mean her and Jeremy ? Or her and the boys ? I must go back,try to find that... But, yes, part of the puzzle is missing MOO

I heard 7:30 as well, but tonight on the ABC exclusive house thing, it was said Debbie stated she put her to bed around 10:30.

 

[elepher50]

I think the reason LE told her she lied is because LE can prove she lied.

iow, LE asked her a question that LE already knew the answer to. Such as something about a call to/from her cell phone perhaps made when she claimed to be asleep.

JMO

:waitasec:How can LE prove it was mom that used the cell phone unless they had the conversation recorded? LE can prove the phone was used based on pings but they cannot tell who was actually using the phone.

 

[Cubby]

Just because she was told she failed it doesn't mean that she actually failed it. That could have been an interrogation technique.

Mel

I agree. That was my immediate thought, especially since mom claims they showed her no paperwork regarding the results.

 

[elepher50]

I heard 7:30 as well, but tonight on the ABC exclusive house thing, it was said Debbie stated she put her to bed around 10:30.

To bed at 7:30pm and checked on her at 10:30pm.

 

[Cher352]

Innocent people fail poly's all the time. LE knows that. How can mom tell LE where Lisa is if she doesn't know? It is not a good thing for LE to get tunnel vision.

I have also seen it brought up on other cases that as an investigative tactic LE will tell people that they failed or weren't being truthful on the test even thought the test did not show that. LE if fact just trying to trip them up or get them or change their story.

 

[redfish]

Many times the lie detector test is used solely for interrogation purposes - as you stated, even if the suspect is found to be lying, it is really meaningless at the end of the day. No one is arrested for failing a polygraph, but sometimes the failing of one reinforces LE's suspicions.

Yes you are right, I believe. I also believe that the bulk of the population knows this. Innocent or guilty I imagine even the notion that someone suspected her could have had an immediate shocking effect. But, I am sure that if she was not aware of this before, several people including her attorney, would have filled her in by now. The breach should have ended and the mis-understandings put aside for the sake of Lisa. There should be no hesitation of the innocent parent with an attorney at their side. My opinion of course.

Sooooooooo, what is the ruckus about then? 24 hrs have passed and no apparent making up with LE. Just banter in the press and media. ODD to me, what happened to the "focus"? To me there has been a definite shift and to me, forgive me if I am wrong, it appears that some are "milking it". Sorry, I hope I haven't offended anyone.

 

[MyBelle]

But as many have pointed out, why didn't they take the bed linens? Did someone make the bed? Seems odd for someone to take the time to make the bed and not take down the garbage bags off the windows.

Maybe when cops first arrived at the house, they found that stuff stacked in the crib and don't believe the mother's story that the baby had been asleep in it?

JMO

 

[Cher352]

:waitasec:How can LE prove it was mom that used the cell phone unless they had the conversation recorded? LE can prove the phone was used based on pings but they cannot tell who was actually using the phone.

Exactly.... unless they talked to who was called.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

:waitasec:How can LE prove it was mom that used the cell phone unless they had the conversation recorded? LE can prove the phone was used based on pings but they cannot tell who was actually using the phone.

Maybe they talked to the person she called and they told the truth about the call. Maybe she thought the person would lie.

 

[norest4thewicked]

She said it was 10:30 pm that she gave the baby a bottle and laid her down and that was the last time WE saw her and she looked straight at Jeremy when she said that...

No...she put the baby down at 7:30 but only checked on her at 10:30.

 

[grandmaj]

Did Mom work? Or was she SAHM?

 

[marge_rita]

But as many have pointed out, why didn't they take the bed linens? Did someone make the bed? Seems odd for someone to take the time to make the bed and not take down the garbage bags off the windows.

LE not taking the babies bed linens is not a good thing. It bothers me as far as the investigation goes. There could be hair fibers, clothes fibers, liquids.........a heck of a lot of stuff for DNA and other forensic testing.


imo

 

[Madeleine74]

This case reminds me a bit of the Sabrina Aisenberg case of about 15 yrs ago in which an adorable baby (approx 5 months old) "disappeared" out of the parents' home during the night and was never seen again. The parents came under much scrutiny by police and may have been involved but the investigation ultimately went no where. There are 2 other kids in the family, both older.

Anyway, this latest baby missing case reminded me instantly of that one.

 

[liz b.]

She said it was 10:30 pm that she gave the baby a bottle and laid her down and that was the last time WE saw her and she looked straight at Jeremy when she said that...

Thank you for finding that ... It's confusing, because I would have thought Jeremy was at work at 10 :30pm ? Unless she was trying to convince Jeremy that 10 :30 pm was the last time she and one or both of the boys saw Lisa ? just some thoughts...

 

[norest4thewicked]

I think ABC is incorrect on the time she gave the baby the bottle.

 

[MyBelle]

:waitasec:How can LE prove it was mom that used the cell phone unless they had the conversation recorded? LE can prove the phone was used based on pings but they cannot tell who was actually using the phone.

Mom claimed she left cell phones on the counter. I don't believe a jury will believe a stranger abducted the baby, took the time to steal cell phones and then stashed them in the pitch of dark near the house.

JMO

 

[neesaki]

Since the couple has announced themselves as suspects and given MSM interviews about it (and this isn't derrogatory information), just a couple of clarifications to what I believe is inaccurate media reporting (or assumptions) early in the case. This information is only meant to clear up possible inaccuracies related to key parties in the case of Lisa's disappearance and has nothing to do with guilt or innocence.

Parents ages:
Court records show that Deborah Lee Bradley (formerly Netz) was born in 76, therefore she is 35 (keep seeing posts saying 25). I guess the court records could be wrong, but more inclined to belive the media got it wrong or they got wrong information from family. MOO. No records showing divorce/annulment that I saw, but doesn't mean she isn't divorced. Her ex with surname Bradley is 10 years younger and Jeremy Irwin was born in 1984, so he would indeed be 28 (correctly reported).

Marital Status:
There was speculation here that Jeremy wasn't free to marry because he is still married. He has no civil court records on file with anyone sharing his last name, but does have custody records on file with a woman who is the mother of the 8 year half-brother of Lisa. It doesn't appear they were ever married. MOO.

Mods: I think this is okay, but please delete if not. TIA!

Statistically speaking, that this couple is unmarried with a baby out of wedlock; children from previous marriages/relationships; plus the complications of child support and custody issues; all of which are in themselves very stressful and have an innate negative impact on marital relationships, it doesn't surprise me one bit that something such as this could have culminated in a scenario that might approach what we see playing itself out before our eyes. Keeping in mind, of course, that the implications of kidnapping and/ or murder in this case places it well beyond the norm. I am still praying and hoping this is going to turn out postitively w/ baby Lisa coming home safe and alive..JMO

 

[norest4thewicked]

This case reminds me a bit of the Sabrina Aisenberg case of about 15 yrs ago in which an adorable baby (approx 5 months old) "disappeared" out of the parents' home during the night and was never seen again. The parents came under much scrutiny by police and may have been involved but the investigation ultimately went no where. There are 2 other kids in the family, both older.

Anyway, this latest baby missing case reminded me instantly of that one.

THANK you! I was thinking of this case tonight and couldn't remember her name. Lets hope this case doesn't go the same way.

 

[marge_rita]

Say the 'kidnapper' came through the bedroom window pictured above, did the kidnapper step on the baby swing? Did the kidnapper touch the crib?

I'm trying to ask--did LE finger print that room?

imo