MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #7

[~n/t~]

I am thinking that the police are not going with the "kidnapping" thing, I think they are looking for a deceased lisa. jmo

I am thinking the same thing but what led them to that conclusion? I hope it's just not the failed polygraph. There must be more. Have they found evidence that she's deceased?

 

[Whisperer]

The Amber Alert was cancelled???

 

[Gardenlady]

The Amber Alert was cancelled???

Pretty sure it was cancelled after about 24 hrs.

 

[SarahW]

Google maps says it 33 seconds to drive from the home to the dumpster location, and 3 minutes to walk.
While I hate to suspect the mom did something, why would a kidnapper go to the trouble to abduct the baby and only drive 33 seconds before stopping at the dumpster....for any reason. Wouldn't said kidnapper want to get as far away from the scene as possible before stopping?

Not if that's where he/she was residing/staying, or where his/her vehicle was parked. It is an apartment complex and I presume there is parking, which Google street view would probably reveal more clearly. Also, dropping clothing or cellphones or whatever while one got away seems within the realm of ordinary possibility.

The "baby carrying-man" we heard about early on was carrying a baby clad only in a diaper on a side street perpendicular to Lister, and the dumpster street is such a street.

 

[~n/t~]

The Amber Alert was cancelled???

Yes. IIRC, it was cancelled the following day.

 

[cindysue]

Google maps says it 33 seconds to drive from the home to the dumpster location, and 3 minutes to walk.
While I hate to suspect the mom did something, why would a kidnapper go to the trouble to abduct the baby and only drive 33 seconds before stopping at the dumpster....for any reason. Wouldn't said kidnapper want to get as far away from the scene as possible before stopping?

If the man seen carrying the baby was on foot , it could be he doesn't own a car ,maybe that's why he couldn't travel far and used a dumpster close to the scene ..how long after the baby missing did the fire occur ?

 

[essies]

I'm still unclear as to LE's theory of point of entry and exit was. Was it the unlocked front door, an open window? Wasn't one of the windows broken? The one that was initially thought to be Lisa' room but turned out to be the computer room? Was that window already broken or did the suspect break it? Which window was left open?

~n/t~
Here's what I could find about the window. Open-no screen. If an intruder had to walk down a hallway to Lisa's room-I'm thinking window must be in computer room.
Earlier Thursday, the child's parents described how they frantically searched their home for any sign of their daughter but found only an open window, an unlocked front door and house lights blazing.
A window without a screen has drawn scrutiny as a possible entry point, but investigators are puzzled about how someone could have entered through the window, walked all the way down the hall, snatched the baby and slipped out undetected
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44798732

 

[Volume]

Can anyone tell me if the police have questioned the half brothers?

I just watched the video with the parents taking ABC reporter inside their home and into Baby Lisa bedroom. I felt it strange they had plastic containers placed in the baby's bed with her plastic bath. - like she wasn't coming back.

Did she place the call at 2:30 to her husband. How ling would it have taken him to drive to the landfill and back?

IMHO something is hinkey here.

 

[davehead21]

ok on this google i found a site. I'm afraid to put my number in though.

Free tracking.

http://tichi.atw.hu/english/index.html



i think that le may well know where the missing cell phones are. Moo

lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Gardenlady]

Which wonderful poster was compiling the map for Lisa's case - anyone remember, or have a link to the map handy? Thanks! :blowkiss:

 

[Volume]

Google maps says it 33 seconds to drive from the home to the dumpster location, and 3 minutes to walk.
While I hate to suspect the mom did something, why would a kidnapper go to the trouble to abduct the baby and only drive 33 seconds before stopping at the dumpster....for any reason. Wouldn't said kidnapper want to get as far away from the scene as possible before stopping?

How long foe husband to get home? What kind of verified alibi does he have?

 

[momtective]

Google maps says it 33 seconds to drive from the home to the dumpster location, and 3 minutes to walk.
While I hate to suspect the mom did something, why would a kidnapper go to the trouble to abduct the baby and only drive 33 seconds before stopping at the dumpster....for any reason. Wouldn't said kidnapper want to get as far away from the scene as possible before stopping?

Every time I try to envision someone going into the house through the computer room window, walking through the house turning on lights, taking a sleeping baby and three cell phones and leaving the house through the front door; I envision someone on drugs, someone who is very brazen, has no fear, and not a care in the world. Someone with no rhyme or reason to what they are doing.
It scares me because I can totally see someone such as this just throwing Lisa away in a dumpster..and I do believe this man was seen by the neighbor man, I believe he was carrying Lisa and she was dressed in only her diaper.

 

[Elley Mae]

I am still having trouble with the situation that evening. You are home with an 8 year old and a 5 year old boy, that is a handful right there. Add in to the mix a 10 month old that is sick with a cold. I want to know if Lisa slept from 7:30 til missing, not a peep or sound from a 10 month old with a cold, not coughing and hacking and crying due to stuffy nose, no congestion in her chest? And all the while the five year old and a stray kitten are in bed with you? Are the bedrooms all on one side of the house? Did the 5 year old go to Mom's bedroom to escape the crying baby who is sick? If I where LE I would want to talk to the boys.

 

[sunsetbeach]

Any opinions as to what they may have been looking for with a metal detector? Cell phones?

A neighbor in one of the video's said the only thing she could think of was earrings ... do 10 month old's have pierced ears?

Also about the man witnessed with a diaper clad baby ... were her clothes found in the house? If not could he have taken the clothes off and burned them in the dumpster?

In the Nightline video the reporter is in Lisa's room and the crib looks exactly like the photos posted in this thread. Is this the way LE found it? Why are there stacks of boxes and a baby tub in it?

I'm not saying the mother is involved but something seems off.

Oh and the cell phones ... who steals 3 cellphones? I think someone got rid of those phones for a reason and they are at the bottom of a pond or lake.
Everyone knows now-a-days that your every movement can be tracked with them. A lot of the new phones have GPS in them ... do the older ones?

 

[LandAuxvasse]

What about local sex offenders? I've skimmed all these threads and seen nothing on whether the police or FBI had looked into that aspect? I also didn't see any posts that sleuthed that aspect (although I only skimmed threads). The focus seems to have been on the mom pretty early on. We've had a number of child snatching cases here in MO in the past couple of years that went straight to sexual offenders... have their residences been searched?

Thanks in advance for any links!

MOO :twocents:

Praying for Lisa and her family!!

 

[andalso]

Not if that's where he/she was residing/staying, or where his/her vehicle was parked. It is an apartment complex and I presume there is parking, which Google street view would probably reveal more clearly. Also, dropping clothing or cellphones or whatever while one got away seems within the realm of ordinary possibility.

The "baby carrying-man" we heard about early on was carrying a baby clad only in a diaper on a side street perpendicular to Lister, and the dumpster street is such a street.

If the man seen carrying the baby was on foot , it could be he doesn't own a car ,maybe that's why he couldn't travel far and used a dumpster close to the scene ..how long after the baby missing did the fire occur ?

Every time I try to envision someone going into the house through the computer room window, walking through the house turning on lights, taking a sleeping baby and three cell phones and leaving the house through the front door; I envision someone on drugs, someone who is very brazen, has no fear, and not a care in the world. Someone with no rhyme or reason to what they are doing.
It scares me because I can totally see someone such as this just throwing Lisa away in a dumpster..and I do believe this man was seen by the neighbor man, I believe he was carrying Lisa and she was dressed in only her diaper.

Plausible scenarios indeed. Sometimes I have to remind myself NOT to think logically about how criminals would act.

 

[momtective]

Missing Baby Lisa: Teen Questioned as Police Look Into California Tip

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-teen-questioned-police-california-tip/story?id=14695496

 

[essies]

Very interesting read at Val's Hinky Meter-
Lisa Irwin case: Polygraphs, dumpsters, fires and landfills
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/1...raphs-dumpster-fires-and-landfills/#more-8140

 

[In da Middle]

Wow, I can't even keep up with all the posts!! I was gone this afternoon and when I got home ... the posts about this case just exploded.

I drove past the landfill on my way home. Way back when you could see down inside the landfill from 1-435, but now it's got a buffer (berm-type thing) all the way around, except for the entrance.

This is a huge dump. Deffenbaugh controls most, if not all, of the trash in this area that goes into the landfill. I would be willing to bet that Deffenbaugh knows the exact area where specific trash from a specific area was dumped. Due to the volume I would imagine it's crucial for LE to get out there and dig through the area where the trash from where baby Lisa lived was picked up. In very short order, it will be covered with more trash.

Another thing that happened within the last year or so, at least we live, is Deffenbaugh has gone to trash trucks and trash cans that are not lifted and dumped by the driver of the truck, so I don't believe they ever really see the contents, and this would include Dumpsters. They have arms that load the trash cans, and Dumpsters and they lift them up over the top of the truck and dump them in. The most the driver does is slide the trash can on the arms so it can be lifted. They never see the inside of the trash can or the contents. Up the trash can goes, it's flipped, the lid pops open, the contents are dumped, and then the arm lowers it to the ground. Gone are the trash trucks where things are put in the back and and the contents are smooshed back to make room for more trash.

If Lisa was dumped in a dumpster, or even a trash can, and I hate to even think of this, the possibility of a driver seeing her body would be nonexistent, IMO.

And I do believe that Deffenbaugh works on weekends when it comes to picking up commercial Dumpsters. We see trucks all the time. That's how busy this place is. If she was in a Dumpster it would be important to dig though the area where the trash for that part of town was dumped asap.

We call it Trash Mountain here. It used to stink to high heaven. We used have to hold our breath when we drove past the dump. They were forced to put scrubbers on to vent the thing. It's just that big.

BBM Not in KCMO. Still bagged and now we have a 2-bag limit. You have to get a special sticker ($2 a piece!) to put on extras. We do have an ample recycle program that is collected at the same time trash is and it is collected the same day (Fridays). Yep, still smooshed!

 

[AnaTeresa]

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