MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #7

[wfgodot]

Isn't the garage in a separate building behind, and not attached to the house?

That's what I was thinking. Would render moot the importance of the neighbor teen allegedly having the lock code, if so.

 

[Shelby1]

The rarity of a dumpster fire and the proximity of it to the house.

I get what you're saying, but LE has searched that trash three times....a body (God forbid) would be able to be found, and I'd think that cell phones would be, too, even though melted and mangled. I'm not arguing or anything...just brain storming.

 

[BeanE]

The parents have given hours and hours and hours of interviews to the police with no attorney present.

If the police haven't drained that source of every bit of information, they must have been asking the wrong questions.

Now it is up to LE to solve this crime. Why would Deborah Bradley go back to face again those who think she's guilty? If she's not - and she says she's not - it would not go one step further toward helping find baby Lisa.

(As always, I could be wrong, of course!)

LE gave every indication that they weren't done needing to talk with her. I trust that.

Deb should back, as painful as it is, because IMO, her baby desperately needs her to, because her baby desperately needs LE right now.

Some of the things that I feel would take it further and help find Lisa is to resolve those gaps/mistakes/conflicts that Deb said she had. Take an attorney along. Sit down and go through that timeline again and again and again until sh'e's got it as accurate as she feels she can, and then take another poly.

I just checked - Lisa is still not listed on the FBI's kidnap/abduction victim list.

 

[saba]

The parents have given hours and hours and hours of interviews to the police with no attorney present.

If the police haven't drained that source of every bit of information, they must have been asking the wrong questions.

Now it is up to LE to solve this crime. Why would Deborah Bradley go back to face again those who think she's guilty? If she's not - and she says she's not - it would not go one step further toward helping find baby Lisa.

(As always, I could be wrong, of course!)

People either look for Lisa's face when they're out and about or they don't. When people hear that mom isn't cooperating with LE, they are likely to believe she killed Lisa- so why give a baby a second glance? We can talk about who's to blame for this impasse, but it's her baby, and if it were my baby, I would take a deep breath and talk to LE.

 

[neesaki]

I don't like that she gave an "excuse" for why the cell phones were taken. I am not sure I would be thinking about that if my child were gone.

Snipped and BBM

Though this case is much different it still brings back memories of the Darlie Routier case. She stated a couple times that she shouldn't have picked up the knife that was dropped on the floor by the alleged intruder, because they could have got his fingerprints, maybe (paraphrased). This is what she was thinking of while she watched her little boy suffering and dying in front of her.

 

[andalso]

If this mom had nothing to do with it but then finds herself in the position of having failed a polygraph and being straight up told by police that "you did it", then wouldn't you expect her to stop cooperating with the very people that are pinning this on her.

I have to say, I have always wondered whether or not I could pass a polygraph, and I am a ridiculously honest person. But I also know of myself, that I often feel guilty or bad for things I did not do if I can't prove I didn't do them.

For instance, my cousins garage was broken into years ago and my husband had the key to the garage. When my cousin came home he dared ask us about it and "jokingly" mentioned my hubby having the key. While I know deep down he knew my hubby didn't do it, and we eventually found out who did... there was a moment there where it was like I was in the position of having to prove a negative....that is a very hard thing to do. I honestly wonder how I would have done on a polygraph at that time even though I knew I/we/he had nothing to do with it. Is it just me, or is anyone else like that?

While I am super suspicious of this mom, I am really hoping she had nothing to do with it and just has no way to prove that.

Maybe someone with experience in polygraph can tell me if there is a "type" of person who may not pass even if they are innocent.

 

[belimom]

I know we all say that, that we would welcome endless questions, but really would you? I mean, I think we'd all answer substantive questions forever. Do you know so and so. Does your door squeak. Are you sure the lights were off when you went to bed. Are you a light sleeper. On and on.

I wouldn't sit there very long, at ALL for them saying they know I did it but they don't have any proof.

Questions, yes. Accusations, no.

I actually would continue with LE. If I thought that each step of the process and each question and each accusation that was cleared up would help LE get on with finding my child --- absolutely. I would be knocking on LE's door each morning, asking what they needed from me that day. I would not stop.

That is - if I were innocent.

 

[wfgodot]

People either look for Lisa's face when they're out and about or they don't. When people hear that mom isn't cooperating with LE, they are likely to believe she killed Lisa- so why give a baby a second glance? We can talk about who's to blame for this impasse, but it's her baby, and if it were my baby, I would take a deep breath and talk to LE.

Well, we differ. When I hear mom isn't talking to LE, I think LE has pushed mom way too far. I think LE has presented the fait accompli in terms of the public thinking DB is guilty, and, in having done so, has caused active interest in searching to lag.

I might go back too, but it's easy to say that when one hasn't actually encountered hours of grilling and condemnation. That has to be hugely rough. Especially if you didn't kill your child. But I hear your point.

 

[KaylynnCouture]

Checking in on baby Lisa this morning. Please let today be the day she comes home!

 

[Amster]

The parents are blaming a teen neighbor?? Mom with her new media darling persona is really irritating me. Either help find your baby or go hide. Telling the media little tidbits to get attention is NOT helping.

 

[KaylynnCouture]

2 New Leads

On Friday, a teenage neighbor of Lisa's parents was questioned by investigators and forensic experts took a DNA sample, a source told ABC News. That neighbor was apparently at the home the day Lisa vanished and also knew the access code to the family's garage.

However, police said they still have no suspects.

Investigators are also looking into reports from the west coast, where a couple was seen with a small child fitting Lisa's description, relative Mike Lerette told ABC affiliate KMBC-TV.

"They're pursuing surveillance tape on a couple with the baby in California," said Lerette.

Snipped: http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-teen-questioned-police-california-tip/story?id=14695496

 

[BeanE]

Sorry - I went back and edited after re-reading what I typed. I was thinking "body" not "baby"...

I saw you had and deleted my post. :grouphug:

 

[JeannaT]

I actually would continue with LE. If I thought that each step of the process and each question and each accusation that was cleared up would help LE get on with finding my child --- absolutely. I would be knocking on LE's door each morning, asking what they needed from me that day. I would not stop.

That is - if I were innocent.

Okay. If they were asking accusatory questions (when was the last time anyone else saw the baby, is there anyone we will find who would accuse you of having a hot temper, are you having an affair, etc.) I'd answer all day long. Questions, I'd answer.

I wouldn't just sit there and allow them to make accusatory statements that they know I'm guilty. I don't see the point of that, and I don't think it furthers anything.

Just MHO.

 

[tlcya]

I thought a male relative was the one who gave MSM the info regarding the teen tip not mom.

Off to scan the last few pages in case I misunderstood.

 

[2goldfish]

If this mom had nothing to do with it but then finds herself in the position of having failed a polygraph and being straight up told by police that "you did it", then wouldn't you expect her to stop cooperating with the very people that are pinning this on her.

I have to say, I have always wondered whether or not I could pass a polygraph, and I am a ridiculously honest person. But I also know of myself, that I often feel guilty or bad for things I did not do if I can't prove I didn't do them.

For instance, my cousins garage was broken into years ago and my husband had the key to the garage. When my cousin came home he dared ask us about it and "jokingly" mentioned my hubby having the key. While I know deep down he knew my hubby didn't do it, and we eventually found out who did... there was a moment there where it was like I was in the position of having to prove a negative....that is a very hard thing to do. I honestly wonder how I would have done on a polygraph at that time even though I knew I/we/he had nothing to do with it. Is it just me, or is anyone else like that?

While I am super suspicious of this mom, I am really hoping she had nothing to do with it and just has no way to prove that.

Maybe someone with experience in polygraph can tell me if there is a "type" of person who may not pass even if they are innocent.

http://www.antipolygraph.org/

never take a polygraph. they are meaningless at best.

I'm caught up reading this case now, I think. I'm on the fence. I have no idea what happened. mom failing a polygraph means squat to me.

if that failed poly caused LE to go postal on her and she's totally innocent, certainly she will stop co-operating.

 

[Bravo]

If reports are true and they have a Lawyer take him along so questions are limited to finding Lisa. I just don't understand :banghead:

 

[JeannaT]

The parents are blaming a teen neighbor?? Mom with her new media darling persona is really irritating me. Either help find your baby or go hide. Telling the media little tidbits to get attention is NOT helping.

A SOURCE told the news that. Not Debbie.

Do you think Debbie should not have mentioned to LE that the teen was there? Do you think the "source" should not be able to mention that?

No where in that article does it state that Debbie has accused anyone. Merely, a teen was questioned and DNA taken.

Victim friendly board, and all. Media darling persona is a bit much, since she wasn't even the source of this info apparently.

 

[Renea]

If this mom had nothing to do with it but then finds herself in the position of having failed a polygraph and being straight up told by police that "you did it", then wouldn't you expect her to stop cooperating with the very people that are pinning this on her.

I have to say, I have always wondered whether or not I could pass a polygraph, and I am a ridiculously honest person. But I also know of myself, that I often feel guilty or bad for things I did not do if I can't prove I didn't do them.

For instance, my cousins garage was broken into years ago and my husband had the key to the garage. When my cousin came home he dared ask us about it and "jokingly" mentioned my hubby having the key. While I know deep down he knew my hubby didn't do it, and we eventually found out who did... there was a moment there where it was like I was in the position of having to prove a negative....that is a very hard thing to do. I honestly wonder how I would have done on a polygraph at that time even though I knew I/we/he had nothing to do with it. Is it just me, or is anyone else like that?

While I am super suspicious of this mom, I am really hoping she had nothing to do with it and just has no way to prove that.

Maybe someone with experience in polygraph can tell me if there is a "type" of person who may not pass even if they are innocent.

I passed a polygraph... when I should not have. I was giving discounts to friends at the store I worked at in HS... I lied... the polygraph did not pick up on it.. I passed with flying colors.

 

[cheko1]

LE also needs to suck it up and quit condemning.

When I seen the picture of Lisa's bed / it honestly made me rethink the case over. The mattress in the highest position / she could of fallen out. Things in the crib where Lisa supposedly was sleeping. There was no room for her in the bed.

If this was truely the case as we're led to beleive LE is honestly doing there job. Both parents need a LD test & should insist on it to clear themselves.

 

[TGIRecovered]

I have teenage daughters who babysit quite a bit. They really do enjoy it, and it is good for them to have confidence in their ability to properly care for their young charges, making sure the children are having fun and feeling safe while their parents are out.

If any of these babies or children were to come up missing I am sure that my girls would have to answer questions from LE since they have had access to the kids and to their homes. There is absolutely no way that either of my girls would or could ever sneak into a neighbors home in the middle of the night on a school night, steal a baby and conceal that child for any period of time without my knowledge!

IMO, the only way a teen took this baby is if the teen is missing as well, because you can't just show up at home or at your best friends house with a ten month old baby without people asking questions. If this teen has been in school and sleeping at home the last week there is no way she did it.

This is an inside job. The parents are hiding something, maybe one of them knows more than the other but most likely they both know something they are not telling the police. MOO

I would also like to remind everyone that all opinions are welcome at WS. I respect those who's opinion is different from mine, but it is discouraging to see posts accusing those who don't believe the parent's story of not being victim friendly. Lisa is the victim here, and her parents have stopped cooperating (according to official sources).

If anyone sees a post which violates TOS, alert a mod and let them handle it. Otherwise, we all need to state our opinion and respect all others!