MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #9

[Shelby1]

Lisa Irwin Timeline

A few good news/video links:

http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/1276...er-Cooperating

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/new...#ixzz1a7YeLYOn

http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1ZpbdtyLg

Monday October 3, 2011

Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house.

UPDATE—according to police spokesman window may not be correct.

3620 block of North Lister 64117

CORRECTION TO ABOVE GIVEN BY JEREMY IN PHONE INTERVIEW 10-6-2011

Lisa in bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie in bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 6 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room. Point of entry by abductor was unlocked front door, window mentioned earlier was NOT tampered with.
Irwin, an electrician, said he returned from work around 4 a.m. Tuesday and discovered Lisa was missing. Bradley said she last checked on the child around 10:30 p.m., then fell asleep in her bed with her 6-year-old son and a stray kitten they found earlier in the day.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/10/07/2011-10-07_fbi_is_looking_for_missing_missouri_toddler_lisa_irwin_in_kansas_landfill_for_a_.html#ixzz1aDuFH5lM

Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib. http://www.ky3.com/news/ky3-100-off...-baby-in-kansas-city-20111004,0,3181219.story


UPDATE 10-6-11 3 cell phones also taken. One does not even work. Also, dad came home to find front door unlocked, most of the lights on and front window open.

Jeremy Irwin, Lisa’s father, told local media that whoever took his daughter also took all three of their cell phones so they couldn’t call anybody, including 911.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/06/3190568/cell-phones-taken-along-with-missing.html#ixzz1a1QJj8XG


~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)

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Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the 6 year old is Debbie’s and the 8 year old is Jeremy’s from previous relationships.)—Correction. One son—the 6 year old was asleep with the mom and a stray kitten he had found earlier in the day.

Father is electrician that works nights. This night was the first night he EVER worked at night.—Jeremy http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/miss...olice-14688735

Mother is a SAHM--Debbie

Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.

**Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--“He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence,” Parscale said, “but then my husband drove off so we’re thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.”

**Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.


Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib. Father calls 911 around 4:04 a.m.

UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speaking—Parents’ story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.

Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served it’s purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.

*** Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-aut...rch-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,6273053.story

Tuesday 9:25 p.m.

Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
by cliffjudy via twitter 9:25 P
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**family stayed with relatives after being questioned until 10:30 p.m.

Wednesday October 5, 2011

9:00 a.m. press conference Capt. Steve Young speaking—basically no new information. Still searching with dogs, however there have been no hits. Parents not ruled out, but also not suspects. Very cooperative.

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** KMBC's Jana Corrie: Children who were also inside the home at the time of the disappearance staying with neighbors

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv

**conflicting reports…unless the Grandparents are being referred to as “neighbors”


NBC Action News reporter Sloane Heller reports Lisa’s grandparents are watching the couple’s other children and have not been able to reach them since earlier Tuesday.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz
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Next news conference sometime this afternoon.
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2:00 news conference—Jeremy spoke with Deborah (Bradley?) by his side. Begged for baby to be dropped off somewhere safe. The brothers are waiting to see their sister. Declined to take questions.

Again, Capt. Has no leads, not ruling out anything. 300 knocks and searches. 46 tips. No ransom note. Family is free to go where they would like. Family does not want to be at house.
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**Alleged sighting of Lisa with a middle aged white male and female at a Love’s gas station in St. Joseph, MO I-29 and US HWY 169. Driving older model SUV. Article came out around 5:15 p.m. Surveillance video has been turned over to LE. Police say it doesn’t seem to be a major lead.


Thursday October 6, 2011


**Jeremy and Debbie provided LE with a list of 9 names of people that could be possible suspects.

**Per Debbie regarding cell phones and possible other missing items:
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~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)
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http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old

** police detectives are meeting early this morning to talk about where to search next.

**per Debbie, “Lisa is very sweet and will go to almost anybody.”

**per Jeremy, window was not tampered with, so perp (s) must have come in through unlocked front door.

**Lisa went to bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie went to bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room.

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***Debbie and Jeremy have a heated discussion with LE before speeding off in police car to command center to find out about possible new lead. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lis...scussion-with-police-20111006,0,5671503.story

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**the list of suspects provided by the parents is now up to 12.---suspects all cleared
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Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a391r9l4

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Originally Posted by BeanE [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7196439#post7196439"]

[/ame]--thank you BeanE
Capt. Young: "There is no doubt they informed us that they no longer wish to cooperate with the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:05 PM

Capt. Young: "We have no plans to close the command center yet, but it will close at some point."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:04 PM

Capt. Young: "I don't have to illustrate how their lack of cooperation hurts the investigation."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "I cannot get into the details of the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspect. If we had enough to charge anyone with, we'd probably be pursuing charges."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspects. From an investigative standpoint we've enjoyed their cooperation"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young": The parents have intimate information as to what's been going on...our door is open and it doesn't help that they are no longer cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "They've always been free and cooperative up until this point, but they've decided to stop cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM

Capt. Steve Young: Mother and father of baby Lisa Irwin have stopped cooperating with police
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM


http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1a39rwETg


"This evening we will be shutting down the command post. We believe we have done all we can regarding geographic searches and will continue tracking leads as we get them or develop additional information," police Officer Darin Snapp said in a news release.

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3JybPqG

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Family statement: We saw the press conference at 7 PM, and we want you to know we have never stopped cooperating with police.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 9:11 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3m5ocP3


Friday October 7, 2011
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(thank you BeanE for gathering these)
#LisaIrwin's mom:We want to thank everybody who has helped us so far.
1 minute ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: we are not angry, we just want our daughter home, that's all we care about.
2 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: we appreciate everything the police dept. has done, we appreciate everything everybody has done.
2 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin mom: we don't know, which is why we need everybody to continue to look for her...because we want her home, we can't do this alone
21 seconds ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: "he's a good father and he's good to me and he loves her and everybody loves her, but no, there's no way." (about father)
38 seconds ago

#LisaIrwin's dad: hasn't taken polygraph but "if that's what it takes..."
3 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: "what do you say when someone tells you that and you know you didn't do anything."
4 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: volunteered to take polygraph, told failed. Says that's not possible.
4 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: We don't care what anybody thinks, we don't care what they think, our concern is to find Lisa, our Lisa.
5 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

#LisaIrwin's Mom: don't have hard feelings, not mad, this is what they (police) have to do.
5 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's Mom: police really nice yesterday, not like that the first time.
6 minutes ago

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**Debbie failed LDT. Jeremy has offered, but LE said it’s not necessary.
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Floor plan of Debbie and Jeremy’s home (thank you Carriebean)


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19070&d=1317999122

**a neighbor in the area also had her dog come up missing the same night. (maybe related, maybe not)
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http://ap.onlineathens.com/pstories/20111007/896530303.shtml
**FBI cleared all the people that Jeremy and Debbie mentioned as possible suspects.

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PER FOX NEWS REPORT AT 12:00 P.M.
***Call made from Irwin home at 2:30 a.m.—I can’t find anything else about this, so regard as rumor.

**Debbie failed the LDT “MISERABLY”

** Jeremy at work constructing a new Starbucks (company? All Current Electric)
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**Per the great grandfather (see the end of the following video at the 1:16 mark)

The GGFather then says "they are supposed to...with their lawyer offer some kind of statement to the press at a later time...(-00:19)

Then the reporter then says "...as you just heard, the couple has now hired a lawyer .....

http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/1276...er-Cooperating

Thank you to Hazel for finding this!
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***ANONYMOUS TIP—LE searching Shawnee Kansas landfill.


http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...-search-tied-to-Lisa-Irwin-case#ixzz1a7YeLYOn


**FBI: This is the second time they've searched the JOCO landfill. The first was Tuesday - hours after #LisaIrwin was reported missing.
10 minutes ago


**Searching landfill----possible connection to a dumpster fire at 4897 NE 37 st at 2:27 a.m. Tuesday, October 4. Dumpster less than ½ mile from Irwin home. Trash from fire been examined twice. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-pol...-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,5538504.story


#LisaIrwin update: FBI not saying what, if anything, found at landfill.
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**searching using metal detectors behind the Irwin house.

** possible sighting in California
http://www.kmbc.com/r/29420106/detail.html

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Thanks to BeanE:

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
#LisaIrwin prayer vigil beginning now. http://img.ly/9bGB
12 minutes ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
I also asked #LisaIrwin's aunt if she or family members were getting any sleep. She said, "Not a wink."
38 minutes ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
Walking around P&L District with #LisaIrwin's aunt as she passes out fliers with Lisa's picture.
1 hour ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
Talked briefly off camera with #LisaIrwin's aunt last night. Asked how her brother (Lisa's dad) was holding up. "He's a wreck."
4 hours ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
About to head out to 6pm missing person flyer hanging & 9pm prayer vigil for #LisaIrwin. Family plans to attend both.
4 hours ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
#LisaIrwin RT @itsvann @CliffJudy Prayer vigil location has changed to Penguin Park off of Vivion Rd @ 9pm
5 hours ago

LindsayShively Lindsay Shively
Just watched a 'nat'l media crew' tape a missing poster to a tree, shoot it then take it down. Not ok. Not journalism.
9 hours ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
Family statement denied what police are saying, brought focus back to #LisaIrwin, and even thanked PD. Another statement planned tomorrow.
20 hours ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
What does latest in #LisaIrwin case mean? PD strategy: pressure parents. At very least, KCPD thinks parents not as forthcoming as possible.
20 hours ago


Cliff Judy
@CliffJudy Kansas City
Reporter for KMBC 9 in Kansas City.
http://twitter.com/#!/CliffJudy

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Saturday October 8, 2011

Re-cap—everyone cleared except for Debbie

http://articles.boston.com/2011-10-07/news/30255015_1_fbi-agents-kansas-city-police-landfill/2

**Possible new lead. Teenage neighbor being questioned. Also, DNA taken from teen. Neighbor was home the day Lisa disappeared and also knew the code to get into the garage.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-teen-questioned-police-california-tip/story?id=14695496
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Tweets (thank you BeanE)

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
#LisaIrwin's family says parents unavailable right now, but still hoping to talk today. Again, stay tuned.
32 minutes ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
Was supposed to do 1-on-1 interview with #LisaIrwin's parents at 11:00 (scheduled talks with all stations). Family's not here. Stay tuned.
34 minutes ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
Got call from #LisaIrwin's family this morning. Upset media still reporting no cooperation with PD. Says they talked to feds, PD 2x yest
57 minutes ago

Cliff Judy
@CliffJudy Kansas City
Reporter for KMBC 9 in Kansas City
http://twitter.com/#!/CliffJudy



**Parents agree to meet with police today

Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin had agreed to conduct a 10 a.m. interview Saturday with KCTV5 about the disappearance of their daughter, Lisa Irwin.
The interview was abruptly canceled because the parents had agreed to meet with detectives to talk about the disappearance of baby Lisa, a family spokesman told KCTV5.
This comes after police on Thursday had said Irwin and Bradley were no longer cooperating with detectives. The parents have denied this.
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15647944/police-again-questioning-missing-babys-parents



**Parents trying to set up trust fund to encourage more tips.

Mike LeRette — a cousin of the baby's mother, Deborah Bradley, and a spokesman for the family — said lawyers are now working with the family to set up a trust fund that would accept donations for a reward fund.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/08/3194711/missing-girls-family-to-work-on.html#ixzz1aDYVW4N6




Kansas City police confirm they have talked with Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley by phone today.
by Karen Yancey 1:21 PM


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1aDSWbY9n

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CliffJudy Cliff Judy
CSI crew is back at the #LisaIrwin home with metal detectors. http://img.ly/9dL6
2 minutes ago


CliffJudy Cliff Judy
CSI crew now scanning the front yard at #LisaIrwin house. Offc says Capt. Young will be here shortly to explain.
1 minute ago


NimaKCTV5 Nima Shaffe
Detectives from @kcpolice at this home in #LisaIrwin neighborhood for the second time.

KCTV5_6AM Alex Spearman
@kcpolice say parents of #LisaIrwin are sitting down with investigators right now.
2 minutes ago


NimaKCTV5 2 hours 14 mins ago Twitter
Detectives from @kcpolice at this home in #LisaIrwin neighborhood for the second time. Updates on #KCTV5 News at 6 & 10 yfrog.com/nv3btaj--


**the above is the teen neighbor’s house.


http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-brad...,1316565.story (Reporter David Dunn)

Debbie Netz Bradley IS still married to her first husband.

myKCTV5 Amy Anderson
The lines of communication are open once again...between KCMO police and Lisa Irwin's parents. Detectives are with them now. #LisaIrwin
48 seconds ago Favorite Retweet Reply

PeterAlexander Peter Alexander
#LisaIrwin parents meeting once again w/ #KansasCity PD detectives as we speak. #missingbaby
1 minute ago

 

[norest4thewicked]

The reporter reminded me of one of those crackheads they pull over and detain on Cops.

LOL

:laughcry::laughitup: :laughcry::laughitup:

 

[~n/t~]

Video of Steve Young's interview tonight:

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-steve-young-kcpd-lisa-irwin-update-20111008,0,6871031.story

I thought they shut down the command post? :waitasec:

 

[norest4thewicked]

Media deal, maybe?

Yes, but the supposed media deal didn't happen until yesterday, if it even happened at all. Give it a chance....

 

[MyBelle]

Going back a ways, I didn't think the crib mattress looked super high. Of course it has been a long time since I had a kid in a crib. My one son never tried to escape...he loved going to sleep at night. The other flipped over the rail once and I think it scared him so bad he knew not to try it again.
I guess I look for the good and it bugs me to see the parenting questioned.
All parents have done dumb stuff, not because we are bad parents but we are human.
I don't know what I think yet. I think I am leaning to it really was an abduction.
I just keep praying for Lisa.

Did i read back a ways that she was named for a Grandmother? Lisa is an old fashioned name....(When I was a kid it was so common...but now it's with Grace and Ava, etc. Love those old names!)

The parents are inviting the public questioning by stopping their cooperation with LE and telling the media the mother failed the poly.

I think the height of the mattress in the crib is unusual, I think the stuff stacked on top is unusual as is the infant swing right next to the crib. Lisa would be too large for such a swing now. Was it all assembled because one parent was moving out and taking Lisa? So much we still don't know.

JMO

 

[cj1132]

I still believe 100% that the parents are not responsible for Lisa's disappearance. However, I think the mom may have a good idea of who could be responsible, and maybe in her mind, by not naming the person, she's keeping Lisa alive. Again JMO.

I will admit that I'm not a good sleuth. I don't watch all the videos, read every article,. I know it's not scientific but I listen with my heart. My heart says they didn't do it. Am I always right? Absolutely not but it's amazing how many times I am.

 

[Just-a-Guy]

You aren't bitter or anything are you? :floorlaugh: Sorry, had to say it! I hope my ex or his family wouldn't throw me under the bus but I am a sweetheart!
(Sorry, need some levity)

Not bitter at all, anything but. My wife and I have always had a wonderful relationship. She's a matrimonial lawyer. So I learned a long time ago not to argue with her.

On a serious note... I do kind of know the tactics and the viciousness of ugly divorces. Both my wife and I have walked clients through far too many of them. Plus, she was Chief Court Attorney for a matrimonial judge for several years. The stuff you see..... [shudder]

And yes, as someone said, "having an interest in the outcome" is exactly what I'm talking about....

 

[abstr]

The grandmother of the child on the mother's side (Debbie's mom) died in 2001. Here is some info on that:



http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=23510022

There was an earlier rumor posted about this - I was at least able to confirm that she did indeed die in 2001. I have not found any further info surrounding the death, but am curious what the exact circumstances were, considering the information from the rumor looks to be relatively accurate at this point.

Thank you. Wow, these folks are young! Or am I old? Does anyone know Lisa's parents ages?

 

[southern_comfort]

Yes, but the supposed media deal didn't happen until yesterday, if it even happened at all. Give it a chance....

I'm pretty sure the network would cut them a check for signs and posters.

They have a funding source.

 

[jacy]

Can you send them an email with a link to the correct info?

Oh, yes. Done.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

Keep in mind, many do not know but missing posters are not allowed to be hung up on city property, telephone poles or light poles. The best places to hang posters are in high traffic areas like gas stations, convenient food marts , bus stations, airports, and even those one needs to ask permission. Handing them out on street corners is prohibited in some cities and they prefer you stand out front of grocery store to hand out as patrons enter or exit. (with permission from store) Quite honestly I cannot imagine anyone who lives in that area who is not aware of Baby Lisa and her missing status. Focus areas should be places outside of the parameters of where she went missing as another good source of hanging posters.

 

[norest4thewicked]

You make a lot of really great posts. I think it is hard to imagine that sort of stuff (people taking things into their own hands, etc) when you are searching for answers. While I think the teenager should be laid off for now I don't think anyone thinks you were malicious.

Thank you! I appreciate that!

Malicious is not me at all....clueless maybe..haha

 

[chieftess]

Chieftess,
OT I know,but what is power shopping ? It sounds like it might be the perfect hobby for me....

LOL! We start at about 9 to 9:30 in the morning, pick an area of the city and hit every store and estate sale we can find, all while winding our way back towards home, getting done around 4pm. Non stop all day shopping! :crazy:

 

[Just-a-Guy]

The parents are inviting the public questioning by stopping their cooperation with LE and telling the media the mother failed the poly.

I think the height of the mattress in the crib is unusual, I think the stuff stacked on top is unusual as is the infant swing right next to the crib. Lisa would be too large for such a swing now. Was it all assembled because one parent was moving out and taking Lisa? So much we still don't know.

JMO

It has been said several times already, but I'll say it again: the pic of the crib was not proven to have been taken at a time relevant to this case. It looks like a pic taken when the baby room was not even yet being used. There is NO reason to assume that the setup seen in that pic was actually being used at the time of the child's disappearance. None at all. Zero.

 

[FloridaBunny]

http://www.kmbc.com/slideshow/news/29427385/detail.html

A lot of people are discussing the height of the crib bedding and if the baby might have fallen or climbed out, possibly to chase the kitten. This photo shows the crib with two plastic storage boxes and a baby seat stacked in it.

Under the picture it states that this is where the baby was sleeping when she was taken. I am curious as to who, what, how, when and why, those items were put into the crib.

I find it very curious in fact. Why would they ever be in there? And why would they be put there after the baby was taken? That just does not make any sense to me at all.

Does anyone else have an opinion or information regarding this specific matter?

 

[Cappuccino]

The parents are inviting the public questioning by stopping their cooperation with LE and telling the media the mother failed the poly.

I think the height of the mattress in the crib is unusual, I think the stuff stacked on top is unusual as is the infant swing right next to the crib. Lisa would be too large for such a swing now. Was it all assembled because one parent was moving out and taking Lisa? So much we still don't know.

JMO

Wasn't that the photo taken after LE had finished searching the room? IOW, that's the way LE left the room, not the way it was before they started searching.

 

[Donjeta]

Bradley's grandfather, David Netz Sr., said the couple was exhausted.

"They would come in and say, 'OK, Jeremy said this, and they'd go back to Jeremy and say Deb said this and that," Netz said. "When you're tired and worried about your baby, you're bound to make itty, bitty mistakes in time lines."

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29428139/detail.html#ixzz1aEpm1rKf

I take it the police are suspicious because the parents are unable to agree on a consistent timeline.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

The parents are inviting the public questioning by stopping their cooperation with LE and telling the media the mother failed the poly.

I think the height of the mattress in the crib is unusual, I think the stuff stacked on top is unusual as is the infant swing right next to the crib. Lisa would be too large for such a swing now. Was it all assembled because one parent was moving out and taking Lisa? So much we still don't know.

JMO

The stuff could have been placed there from LE as they were doing a sweep of the bedroom. As for the baby swing, to me it was a "piece of furniture" and I kept in the baby's room even though he was not using it as I had friends with small babies and would drag it out when they came to visit.

 

[Mojen]

Thank you. Wow, these folks are young! Or am I old? Does anyone know Lisa's parents ages?

Jeremy was born in 82 and Deborah in 86 (I think).

I am pretty sure Deborah's marriage certificate said 86.

 

[FloridaBunny]

It has been said several times already, but I'll say it again: the pic of the crib was not proven to have been taken at a time relevant to this case. It looks like a pic taken when the baby room was not even yet being used. There is NO reason to assume that the setup seen in that pic was actually being used at the time of the child's disappearance. None at all. Zero.

We all must have been typing at the same time. The photo that is referenced in my post states that the reporter was allowed a tour of the home. Therefore I am presuming that the photographer with that reporter took the photo while they were there after the baby disappeared. Otherwise, why show that picture?