MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #9

[abstr]

Not bitter at all, anything but. My wife and I have always had a wonderful relationship. She's a matrimonial lawyer. So I learned a long time ago not to argue with her.

On a serious note... I do kind of know the tactics and the viciousness of ugly divorces. Both my wife and I have walked clients through far too many of them. Plus, she was Chief Court Attorney for a matrimonial judge for several years. The stuff you see..... [shudder]

And yes, as someone said, "having an interest in the outcome" is exactly what I'm talking about....

Sorry. Didn't mean offense. I somehow had a very amicable divorce. Was it always pretty? Hell no....but I just don't get that if you made kids with someone that you wouldn't support them. By support I mean in raising the kids, etc. not talking money. Since we had no money that was no issue...lol
On the other hand....some people get screwed.
And, Your wife must be some kinda awesome if you married a "matrimonial" attorney (is that nice for divorce?)
Sorry, I don't mean to come off snarky. My sense of humor can be obnoxious at times.

 

[TGIRecovered]

That report wasn't biased against the mom or anything. LOL

The details are coming from her "ex" (not really ex) husband so I'm going to have to take them with a big grain of salt. She has custody of their son. I wouldn't expect her ex to necessarily sing her praises simply because of that fact. But if she's such a bad person, then why doesn't her non-ex take her to court to get his son?

You can say that again!

Info from a not-yet divorced but already relpaced "ex" will probably be very biased.

My goodness, she already has a 10 month old child with the current man and I gather they have lived at this home together for about a year, based upon In Da Middle's local info. If there was going to be an amicable divorcefrom the previous hubby I think it would have been finalized before now!


MOO

 

[SuziQ]

Video of Steve Young's interview tonight:

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-steve-young-kcpd-lisa-irwin-update-20111008,0,6871031.story

Good video of the house we have been discussing and showing LE interviewing what may be family? I see some teens and someone on the front steps that has their head in there hands and looks upset.

 

[makinwaffles]

It has been said several times already, but I'll say it again: the pic of the crib was not proven to have been taken at a time relevant to this case. It looks like a pic taken when the baby room was not even yet being used. There is NO reason to assume that the setup seen in that pic was actually being used at the time of the child's disappearance. None at all. Zero.

the crib was in the same state as the pic in the live stream after the house was released, IMHO the room was stage dressed by the media to appear as a "darling nursery" to pull the publics heartstrings. i dont know of any parents of 3 young kids that can keep satin bows perfectly tied on a baby bumper for any length of time IMHO

 

[Marah]

According to that recent video, it looks like there were a few teens living in that house.

 

[davehead21]

I have been gone all day, so haven't been able to catch up..yet
I am in the Northland (Parkville area for anyone wanting to look at a google map for the areas I'm referencing)

My son and I go "power shopping" every Saturday, and we were both quite interested to see how many missing posters we would see today.

North Oak Street Trafficway (major north south artery in the northland)- no signs
Vivion Road - (major east west road in the Northland)- we drove right past Penguin Park where the vigil was held last night - no signs
N.E Antioch Road (another north south road) - no signs
We were in Independence on 40 Highway, Noland Road, 23rd Street and 291 Highway..all of these are heavily congested roads - no signs
210 Highway - just south of the Irwins home and another well traveled highway - no signs
435 Highway driving past the hotel the parents are staying in - no signs

I did see the newscast where the neighbors were putting out flyers around the home, and that of course, needs to be done.

I don't understand the newscast of the young women handing out flyers in the Power & Light district??
Power & Light district...especially in the evenings, is an entertainment/bar/nightlife area.
I'm not saying I would omit that area, but it would NOT be a high priority area within the city.

Very confused

I was in KC shopping today too and didn't see ONE single sign. We went to Zona Rosa and nada. I think Zona is about 8-10 miles from Baby Lisa's house. We then went to Oak Park Mall and nada there, either. For anyone curious, Oak Park is on the Kansas side....about 30 minutes away from Baby Lisa's house.

I was really shocked to not see one, single poster. And I TOTALLY agree with you about P&L. When I saw that this morning I thought to myself, "Was she there to hand out posters or get drunk?" :waitasec:

 

[SmoothOperator]

Originally Posted by lauriej (c/p from Thread#8)
My opinion -----i was under the assumption that they were asked to compile a list of people that had been to the home recently ( babysitter? plumber? etc), or had seen the baby recently (someone expressing an interest in her at the grocery store etc.)

..and not neccessarily someone they could think would be capable of kidnapping.

Thank you very much for giving me clarification on the compiled list by the parents.. I had not read or heard explained in this manner and if indeed correct makes a helluva allot of difference in what is perceived to be about this list.. I had heard the varying number of 9 and also 11 people on the list but had not heard "the list" explained in this way.. When the parents(specifically dad) made reference to the list they remarked that LE had cleared all of those people on "the list" they'd compiled and given LE..

In now having it explained as nothing more than a list of those recently in and/or around the home it makes perfect, logical sense and is infact SOP in a case where a child goes missing from the home(actually SOP in any crime where the perp enters the home)..

So, I appreciate your having clarified this list for me..

 

[southern_comfort]

the crib was in the same state as the pic in the live stream after the house was released, IMHO the room was stage dressed by the media to appear as a "darling nursery" to pull the publics heartstrings. i dont know of any parents of 3 young kids that can keep satin bows perfectly tied on a baby bumper for any length of time IMHO

Why stack storage boxes in the crib, if staging a "darling nursery"?

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Video of Steve Young's interview tonight:

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-steve-young-kcpd-lisa-irwin-update-20111008,0,6871031.story

Either that metal detector search was fake or they are only hunting for something on the surface and even then they were doing a lousy job with no grid. I think that whole thing was staged to get the video out of the 2 detectives interviewing the family at that one house and the kid sitting on the front porch.

Neither of the police with the metal detectors had a digging tool.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Accused the mother of killing her baby! That imo is unconscionable, especially when LE had absolutely nothing to back the accusation up with. It was a scare tactic and it backfired. They all but poured salt in the parents open wounds. jmo of course :wink:

If you know how LE works, and you know statistics of infant abductions, you would know that this is an absolutely acceptable thing to do in the case of a missing child. Remember that all anyone wants (innocent parents included) is bringing the child home. If the parents are inconvenienced or even battered over this, they should be happy at least that someone cares enough to do everything they can to bring the child home. After all, LE doesn't just blindly go about their ways and accuse people here and there. Whatever they have that we as onlookers don't know is what is generating this behavior.

I find that far from unconscionable...I find it NECESSARY to get to the truth and find Lisa. After all, isn't that the most important part of all of this?

 

[makinwaffles]

Why stack storage boxes in the crib, if staging a "darling nursery"?

room for camera crew? ran out of time before going live? just to drive people crazy about this exact thing? not sure, it just seems to me they may have pulled bedding out of storage and dressed up the crib.

 

[MyBelle]

Accused the mother of killing her baby! That imo is unconscionable, especially when LE had absolutely nothing to back the accusation up with. It was a scare tactic and it backfired. They all but poured salt in the parents open wounds. jmo of course :wink:

With all due respect, we do not know that LE "had absolutely nothing."

I think the case is being handled very professionally by LE.

JMO

 

[abstr]

Jeremy was born in 82 and Deborah in 86 (I think).

I am pretty sure Deborah's marriage certificate said 86.

Thank you. I guess I am old. I guess I was having kids at that age too, just sounds so young.

Edited to say though...I thought I was a young Mom at 25. They have older kids. No judgement...just guess I see myself as young in my 40's......

 

[norest4thewicked]

It has been said several times already, but I'll say it again: the pic of the crib was not proven to have been taken at a time relevant to this case. It looks like a pic taken when the baby room was not even yet being used. There is NO reason to assume that the setup seen in that pic was actually being used at the time of the child's disappearance. None at all. Zero.

It actually was proven to be taken yesterday. I agree with you and thought that there was no way it could have been...but it was. Sorry I can't attach a link for you because I'd be here til next week trying to find it, but it was taken by the media during their interview with the parents yesterday as part of their piece.

 

[saba]

Not bitter at all, anything but. My wife and I have always had a wonderful relationship. She's a matrimonial lawyer. So I learned a long time ago not to argue with her.

On a serious note... I do kind of know the tactics and the viciousness of ugly divorces. Both my wife and I have walked clients through far too many of them. Plus, she was Chief Court Attorney for a matrimonial judge for several years. The stuff you see..... [shudder]

And yes, as someone said, "having an interest in the outcome" is exactly what I'm talking about....

Good to see the lawyers here. Here's my question. If Debbie Bradley is still married to S. Bradley, and was married to him when Lisa was born, doesn't the law recognize him as Lisa's father even though they all know another man actually fathered the child? TIA

 

[Cappuccino]

If you know how LE works, and you know statistics of infant abductions, you would know that this is an absolutely acceptable thing to do in the case of a missing child. Remember that all anyone wants (innocent parents included) is bringing the child home. If the parents are inconvenienced or even battered over this, they should be happy at least that someone cares enough to do everything they can to bring the child home. After all, LE doesn't just blindly go about their ways and accuse people here and there. Whatever they have that we as onlookers don't know is what is generating this behavior.

I find that far from unconscionable...I find it NECESSARY to get to the truth and find Lisa. After all, isn't that the most important part of all of this?

LE have already interrogated the parents for 11 hours without a break, the mother took a polygraph and the father offered to do one. What else do you expect the parents to do?

What's unconscionable is to interrogate someone for 11 hours, then accuse them of not cooperating when they ask for a break.

 

[grandmaj]

Sleuthing. Do not keep sleuthing extended family members. Sleuthing for the parents of Lisa only. Do not continue to speculate about this teenager. You may only talk about what has been in MSM. If he hasn't been named in MSM we don't do that. We don't speculate on his address, his name, pictures of teens and try to guess which one etc. That is sleuthing minors. Thanks.

There is nothing that will get you a TO faster than sleuthing people we have asked you not to. Soooooooooo guys please don't go down that path.

 

[Coldpizza]

Well goodnight all. May tomorrow bring answers for all of us. In the mean time I will keep an open mind and positive thoughts that Pumpkin Pie is alive and safe somewhere. My gut is waning but I refuse to give up the hope.

 

[Just-a-Guy]

Sorry. Didn't mean offense. I somehow had a very amicable divorce. Was it always pretty? Hell no....but I just don't get that if you made kids with someone that you wouldn't support them. By support I mean in raising the kids, etc. not talking money. Since we had no money that was no issue...lol
On the other hand....some people get screwed.
And, Your wife must be some kinda awesome if you married a "matrimonial" attorney (is that nice for divorce?)
Sorry, I don't mean to come off snarky. My sense of humor can be obnoxious at times.

No problem! And yes, "matrimonial attorney" is sometimes translated as "divorce lawyer." But the truth is, they do much more. Pre-nups, post-nups, counseling, estate work, much much more. When it gets to the courthouse, yes, it's usually a divorce. A contested one or one with a custody battle. My wife has been assaulted on the courthouse steps by angry men (because she did such a good job representing the wife). You are lucky if you don't know how ugly it can get. There really are no limits. .... That's why I don't really do divorce work, except for long-time clients who really insist on my involvement. And then, I hate it.

 

[makinwaffles]

It actually was proven to be taken yesterday. I agree with you and thought that there was no way it could have been...but it was. Sorry I can't attach a link for you because I'd be here til next week trying to find it, but it was taken by the media during their interview with the parents yesterday as part of their piece.

http://www.kmbc.com/slideshow/news/29427385/detail.html
picture 6 of 9

http://www.kmbc.com/news/29427206/detail.html