MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #9

[secretagent]

You can say that again!

Info from a not-yet divorced but already relpaced "ex" will probably be very biased.

My goodness, she already has a 10 month old child with the current man and I gather they have lived at this home together for about a year, based upon In Da Middle's local info. If there was going to be an amicable divorcefrom the previous hubby I think it would have been finalized before now!


MOO

You have no idea why they are not divorced. I was separated for 4 years before mine was final, all due to inability to agree on financial issues. I was involved with someone for a year and a half at the time I was finally divorced. And we had a baby within a year if that. Why should my entire life have been on hold because he would not agree to financial stipulations??

 

[katydid23]

Accused the mother of killing her baby! That imo is unconscionable, especially when LE had absolutely nothing to back the accusation up with. It was a scare tactic and it backfired. They all but poured salt in the parents open wounds. jmo of course :wink:

We need to remember that LE often comes across mothers who DO kill their children, or sell them for drugs. So it is no surprise that in the case of a child gone missing from the crib, with questionable circumstances, that LE would be highly suspicious of the family. I certainly was.

 

[Just-a-Guy]

Good to see the lawyers here. Here's my question. If Debbie Bradley is still married to S. Bradley, and was married to him when Lisa was born, doesn't the law recognize him as Lisa's father even though they all know another man actually fathered the child? TIA

I've never heard such a thing, no. And certainly not in an estranged or separated situation. No idea where you got that. Matrimonial law varies dramatically from state to state, but I've never heard anything like that before. The father is the father.

 

[marge_rita]

My apologies to all. I can't find the post that referred to a 'party' that was held Monday night 10/3. I will keep looking here at WS and I won't post about it until I find a link.:blushing:

 

[Dr.Fessel]

room for camera crew? ran out of time before going live? just to drive people crazy about this exact thing? not sure, it just seems to me they may have pulled bedding out of storage and dressed up the crib.

LE probably vacuumed the whole floor for evidence. They would have picked up boxes stacked on the floor because a perp could have moved them around to hide evidence.

 

[AnaTeresa]

Good to see the lawyers here. Here's my question. If Debbie Bradley is still married to S. Bradley, and was married to him when Lisa was born, doesn't the law recognize him as Lisa's father even though they all know another man actually fathered the child? TIA

I believe it varies by state. I also think it depends on whether the parents are together or legally separated or just separated. Does one of the verified lawyers want to chime in?

 

[MyBelle]

It has been said several times already, but I'll say it again: the pic of the crib was not proven to have been taken at a time relevant to this case. It looks like a pic taken when the baby room was not even yet being used. There is NO reason to assume that the setup seen in that pic was actually being used at the time of the child's disappearance. None at all. Zero.

ABC showed a reporter in the baby's room. I will assume the reporter was in real time not there ten months ago.

JMO

 

[southern_comfort]

Good to see the lawyers here. Here's my question. If Debbie Bradley is still married to S. Bradley, and was married to him when Lisa was born, doesn't the law recognize him as Lisa's father even though they all know another man actually fathered the child? TIA

I think MO does presume that the husband is the father of a child born during a marriage, but it's rebuttable. A couple of affidavits and maybe some blood tests to prove paternity and it's settled.

 

[Just-a-Guy]

It actually was proven to be taken yesterday. I agree with you and thought that there was no way it could have been...but it was. Sorry I can't attach a link for you because I'd be here til next week trying to find it, but it was taken by the media during their interview with the parents yesterday as part of their piece.

OK, thanks, that's interesting. Still...that does not establish that the setup seen in the photo was the same as the one on the night in question. Crib mattresses are easy to raise and lower (I spent a number of recent years doing so ). But OK, yeah, it's a question, I guess.

 

[AnaTeresa]

I've never heard such a thing, no. And certainly not in an estranged or separated situation. No idea where you got that. Matrimonial law varies dramatically from state to state, but I've never heard anything like that before. The father is the father.

I remember a case from constitutional law where a man fathered a child with a married woman and the child was legally considered the child of her spouse, and not her biological father. It was from the 70s, so I'm sure things have changed since then, but that could be cause for that idea.

 

[norest4thewicked]

LE have already interrogated the parents for 11 hours without a break, the mother took a polygraph and the father offered to do one. What else do you expect the parents to do?

What's unconscionable is to interrogate someone for 11 hours, then accuse them of not cooperating when they ask for a break.

Let's take a vote here then? How many here would be more than happy to spend 11 hours (and no one knows they didn't have a break) and then spend 11 MORE if it would help to bring home their child? Interrogating someone for 11 hours is NOTHING and to me proves that LE must have something that led them to spend that much time.

 

[Cappuccino]

ABC showed a reporter in the baby's room. I will assume the reporter was in real time not there ten months ago.

JMO

Yes, they were there in real time, and they were only let in after LE had finished searching. So the state you see the room in is the state they left it in, NOT the state they found it in.

 

[jjenny]

I've never heard such a thing, no. And certainly not in an estranged or separated situation. No idea where you got that. Matrimonial law varies dramatically from state to state, but I've never heard anything like that before. The father is the father.

Because the husband is assumed to be the father in a legal marriage,
men who are married to the mother but are not the bio dad can be required to pay child support. Since they were separated I am not sure if that applies here, but a legal assumption is that the husband is the father.

 

[sorrell skye]

Missing Baby's Extended Family Discusses Mom's Past

Video report

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-bradleys-family-talks-about-past-20111008,0,1316565.story

TY for that link, BeanE.

I seriously don't get what this whole so-called "checkered past" (as the reporter called it) deal is. So DB is still married to her ex - is that really a "checkered past"???? I don't think so.

Good grief - I think some of these reporters need to get a grip.

 

[grandmaj]

If I am sleuthing the mother of Lisa and it turns out there was another suspicious event (a death) that occurred 10 years earlier, am I allowed to mention it?

:waitasec:

Not unless MSM has reported on it. Rumors repeated from FB or blogs cannot be brought here Thanks!

 

[cluciano63]

Let's take a vote here then? How many here would be more than happy to spend 11 hours (and no one knows they didn't have a break) and then spend 11 MORE if it would help to bring home their child? Interrogating someone for 11 hours is NOTHING and to me proves that LE must have something that led them to spend that much time.

At the least, I believe it means there was some sticking point that LE could not overcome...and meanwhile FBI and LE officers were searching high and low for the baby. It's not as though they didn't do anything at all except "interrogate" the parents endlessly, IMO.

 

[norest4thewicked]

OK, thanks, that's interesting. Still...that does not establish that the setup seen in the photo was the same as the one on the night in question. Crib mattresses are easy to raise and lower (I spent a number of recent years doing so ). But OK, yeah, it's a question, I guess.

I hear ya! I was shocked to find out it was current. But, I suppose showing an empty baby crib on TV with no bedding and vacant would not be the right thing to do. Probably why everything seemed to be so haphazard.

 

[momtective]

We need to remember that LE often comes across mothers who DO kill their children, or sell them for drugs. So it is no surprise that in the case of a child gone missing from the crib, with questionable circumstances, that LE would be highly suspicious of the family. I certainly was.

I understand completely but we also must remember that there are those whose children have gone missing who were truly innocent eg; Diena Thompson (Somer Thompson's mom), Carl Probyn (Jaycee Dugard's step father), Marc Lunsford (Jessica Lunsford's father) and in this case I believe Debbie Netz and Jeremy Irwin.

 

[southern_comfort]

Section of Missouri statutes regarding presumption of paternity (and rebuttal), for those interested:

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C200-299/2100000822.HTM

 

[Cappuccino]

Let's take a vote here then? How many here would be more than happy to spend 11 hours (and no one knows they didn't have a break) and then spend 11 MORE if it would help to bring home their child? Interrogating someone for 11 hours is NOTHING and to me proves that LE must have something that led them to spend that much time.

I think Jerry Hobbs must have thought the same after his poor little daughter and her friend were murdered by a serial killer. That's why he let LE interrogate him for 14 hours without a break. Unfortunately for everybody, the psyche of a grieving, shocked, sleep deprived parent is not able to remain sane during a lengthy interrogation like that.

Result? Jerry Hobbs made a false confession, and the real killer went on to claim more victims while Mr Hobbs was languishing in jail for a crime he didn't commit.

The Ingrams were absolutely right to ask for a break after 11 hours. And it shouldn't take 11 hours for LE to ask the questions they need to ask anyway.