MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #9

[CKSWarriorQueen]

Signs, flyers, etc. cost money. Unless there is someone out there offering money to do this, how are the parents supposed to magically come up with the money?

All we needed was a couple of reams of printer paper, a computer or two to print from (laser is better because it doesn't run in the rain), a couple of staple guns, and packing tape.

It probably cost us less than $100 to completely cover a five mile radius around my dad's house. That, and four days of relentlessly, ceaselessly driving, walking, stapling, and taping.

Two months after my father died, my last day in his house (closing it up to sell), I came upon one of the flyers we missed, still readable, on a telephone pole on Salem Road while I was walking to the train.

 

[norest4thewicked]

They could easily have done that but I don't understand why they stacked the boxes there if it was staged for the photos. It looks more like they're staging the family packing away the baby stuff being done with her than staging a lonesome crib from which a baby was heartbreakingly stolen.

I agree...and I don't know why either...just another puzzling detail about this heartbreaking case.

 

[HatesSociopaths]

HatesSociopaths, I don't think that link qualifies as mainstream media. JMO, but it is probably a good idea to delete it before anyone quotes it and look for something from a newspaper or TV station.

Also, I think you need a link to explain why you believe this death is suspicious and connected to Baby Lisa. I'm not a mod, just trying to help!

Thanks. I will go back to lurking on this thread and following the trail that MSM provides us.

 

[Donjeta]

The parents, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, brother of Ashley Irwin, still are not considered suspects, Young said.

"The investigation is directed and led by hard information," Young added. "Again, we don't have any suspects. If we had enough to charge anybody with, we probably would be issuing charges."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-parents-stop-cooperating-making-lists/story?id=14679914

It sounds like he's saying they're not going to name any suspects before there is enough to press charges right away.

 

[Mojen]

Just to clarify... She sought CS for baby L, from SB?

No, sorry. I was thinking of her other child.

She did NOT seek child support from Sean for Lisa.

Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[kantoo]

Just to clarify... She sought CS for baby L, from SB?

i have read she gets child support for her son

 

[norest4thewicked]

I'm not naive enough to think CSI Miami is anything other than a piece of fiction, which incidentally, I hate and never watch. These parents said they were questioned for 11 hours without a break, and LE has not contradicted them. The husband asked after 11 hours to let them go home and take a break, and given Jerry Hobbs' experience, I think he was wise.

Well then, on this, we will have to agree to disagree...

 

[marge_rita]

After reading and watching for three days, I did not know JI waited two days to mention the cell phones were missing. Is this correct or somehow out of context?

:waitasec: Hu? JI waited 2 days to mention missing phones?

 

[twall]

If you know how LE works, and you know statistics of infant abductions, you would know that this is an absolutely acceptable thing to do in the case of a missing child. Remember that all anyone wants (innocent parents included) is bringing the child home. If the parents are inconvenienced or even battered over this, they should be happy at least that someone cares enough to do everything they can to bring the child home. After all, LE doesn't just blindly go about their ways and accuse people here and there. Whatever they have that we as onlookers don't know is what is generating this behavior.

I find that far from unconscionable...I find it NECESSARY to get to the truth and find Lisa. After all, isn't that the most important part of all of this?

BBM, I respectfully disagree. I have followed many a case where LE does blindly go about their ways and accuse people here and there alot of times leading to false confessions and convictions whether it be for a missing child or another crime.

For example:
West Memphis 3, Yogurt Shop Murders, Norfolk 4, Michael Crowe, Amanda Knox and her bf RS, Tim Masters, Kevin Fox, Ryan Ferguson, Chuck Erickson, David Camm, Julie Rea Harper...

MOO

 

[BeanE]

I would suspect that this is directed specifically at one person. Don't know quite who though.

Probably me, although my voices haven't yet told me how Steve Young knows about them.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

After reading and watching for three days, I did not know JI waited two days to mention the cell phones were missing. Is this correct or somehow out of context?

Were did you here this?

 

[uvamerica]

At the least, I believe it means there was some sticking point that LE could not overcome...and meanwhile FBI and LE officers were searching high and low for the baby. It's not as though they didn't do anything at all except "interrogate" the parents endlessly, IMO.

I agree, BTW all the statements out about the interview have been said by the parents ?, not by LE ? given the statements are true to begin with..

 

[wfgodot]

Probably me, although my voices haven't yet told me how Steve Young knows about them.

o/t one word, starts with tur and ends with ducken! :back:

 

[tlcya]

After reading and watching for three days, I did not know JI waited two days to mention the cell phones were missing. Is this correct or somehow out of context?

I think we established two threads ago that this is not the case. during the first day of reporting reporters got it wrong saying that LE had taken the cel phones, we later learned that the cel phones were missing along with baby Lisa.

Steve Young stated in a presser regarding the missing phones "we knew about that that morning . . . the phones have led to no leads" (sorry paraphrasing because I dont have the link but it has been linked repeatedly over the last two days.)

 

[SuziQ]

OK, I see, thanks. I guess these situations (and the statute southern comfort posted, thanks!) are designed to address a situation where someone else claims to be the father of a child born during a marriage...and the married couple (or one of them?) doesn't want to recognize that. I dunno. I see that there is a presumption, I didn't know that. I think I'll just keep my mouth shut about matrimonial law from now on. It's not my field. My wife would slap me for pretending it is (and I would be required to agree that I deserved it ).

Someone ages ago explained to me that those laws were written and necessary at a time when there was no way to prove paternity.

 

[ClaireNC]

So, you don't think that LE could have stripped the entire crib (considering that we know investigators had been seen taking out bags of bedding) and then when the reporters and cameras came in they wanted to take photos of the room but did not want to show a bare crib, so they "fixed it up" just for the cameras? I do.

I agree, I think the baby's bedroom in the video are after LE took away what they wanted and the family or TV stations came in and cleaned things up. After taking pictures of the initial scene, the investigators do not generally clean up after themselves. They just dig around and take what they want. The crib in the photos has been "fixed" from the mess the investigators left behind, so it is not necessarily the way it looked when the baby was living there.

I just came back here from reading some of the FB pages and it looks like the majority of posts are now suspecting the Mom. From her interviews I just don't see it...but of course I could be wrong.

The sad thing is..we may never know.

 

[LadyPirate]

Because the husband is assumed to be the father in a legal marriage,
men who are married to the mother but are not the bio dad can be required to pay child support. Since they were separated I am not sure if that applies here, but a legal assumption is that the husband is the father.

In the state of Tennessee, when this type of situation occurs, no divorce is granted until the birth of the child and then a DNA test is done. A young couple I know were separated, the mother had a boyfriend and became pregnant. Even though BOTH the mother and her soon to be Ex said the child was not his, their divorce was not granted until the results of the DNA came back.

I would think that in these days, any time there is a question, DNA would be gathered.

 

[Donjeta]

Sleep deprivation only breaks a person down, which is exactly what police were attempting - it is NOT the best method to gain information, it is a method to wear down the interrogated.

A break for rest and sleep is appropriate.

What time was the interview? If it started at 9 am and lasted 11 hours until 8 pm. they would probably have been very tired but not IMO sleep deprived yet. At least, not because of the interview. They might have had several sleepless nights before that but I'm not sure if it can be laid solely on the LE's door, I bet many parents of missing children have trouble sleeping.

 

[liz b.]

:waitasec: Hu? JI waited 2 days to mention missing phones?

No. I think it was not revealed by LE that the phones were missing. A relative supposedly wrote that " more than just the baby was taken " paraphrasing...And I think that either Jeremy or Deb then did tell a reporter about the phones being gone. I believe LE knew about the cell phones right away...MOO

 

[norest4thewicked]

BBM, I respectfully disagree. I have followed many a case where LE does blindly go about their ways and accuse people here and there alot of times leading to false confessions and convictions.

For example:
West Memphis 3, Yogurt Shop Murders, Norfolk 4, Michael Crowe, Amanda Knox and her bf RS, Tim Masters, Kevin Fox, Ryan Ferguson, Chuck Erickson, David Camm...

MOO

I know that there are corrupt departments, but I know first-hand that KCPD is not one of them. But as long as we remain respectful, we can disagree...