MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #9

[KaylynnCouture]

I don't remember that at all. There was quite a discussion last night in here about it. I'd love to know if this is true.

Found it! At around the 2 minute mark..

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd5lBOVJLns"]10/04/2011 | KIDNAPPED INFANT LISA IRWIN | RAW POLICE PRESSER - YouTube[/ame]
"There are 2 other children, and I'm sure we've spoken to them, but I'm not sure what we got out of that".

There is another presser from later in the day where he states again that they have spoken with the children (I think the second time he states it is at the 7pm conference, but I couldn't find a news video for that..only looked through presser notes to find that info).

 

[Pearl*]

Am I the only one that kept the doors closed and the monitor off when my kids went down for the night??

Depends on age, I think. And did I read that baby was sick or maybe getting sick? That would make a difference. Wouldn't it?

ETA: So, for myself, YES, I have done it but I don't remember how old they were when I got okay with that. But I didn't do it ever when I had a sick baby. General health of the child makes a difference too. For instance, I was more vigilant with my asthmatic child than with the others. Do we know anything about Baby Lisa's general health? Sorry I'm having trouble keeping up. This is the fastest paced thread I've ever tried to follow!

 

[nursebeeme]

I'm trying to catch up, so sorry if this has been corrected but I had to set this straight:

Rowan Ford lived in Stella, MO and that is where she was taken from.

I live in SW MO and can tell you that from our home which is farther South of Rolla, it doesn't take 4 hours to get to KC. Have family there and still visit often.

the little boy was found safe (link upstream)

 

[katydid23]

Sometimes people fall asleep without making the nightly rounds to turn out lights, close windows and lock doors. Sometimes they fall asleep before all of the little ones are safely tucked in bed. Sometimes people are so sound asleep that they are very hard to wake up.

Maybe they wake up and can't remember how they ended up in bed at all. Maybe they find other things amiss and they have to lie to explain it because they are too embarassed to admit that they just don't remember.

If this happened to a person, she would probably be very emotional, confused, maybe even prone to cry. She would probably be scared to death to believe that she might have done something unthinkable. There would be gaps in time which she could not explain.

Blackouts can be caused by prescription drugs, alcohol or combination of the two. I think that this is one possible scenerio which would fit the story we are getting.

JMO

But mom already said she checked on the baby at 10:30 before she went to bed herself. It seems to me that when you check on your kids, you also tend to check the basic security,like the front door being locked. Especially if you are home alone for the first night with 3 young kids. That just seems weird to me that she would not lock the door. Maybe it is just me, but I cannot go to sleep w/out checking the front and back doors at least once.

 

[mentalsolstice]

I guess ya have to be 'owned' by a lab to understand them. :floorlaugh:

And they do seem to "own" you. Ours was a stray when we got her, she was around a year old. Labs, in my experience, are very emotional dogs. Ours has big feelings and we can tell when she's happy, hurt or angry. However, it's hard to say how she'll react to strangers. When my parents come to visit, sometimes she'll run up to them with her tail wagging, other times she'll stand between me and them growling (which makes my dad happy because he wants her to protect me). Maybe, she's reading my mood...yikes, don't tell my mom that!

 

[KaylynnCouture]

Not sure if this has been posted or asked before: Has the 911 call recording been released to the public/media? Where I am that is released within a day or 2 of a high profile case.

It hasn't been released yet.

 

[DairyGirl]

I have two dogs and two parrots. It sounds like a zoo in our house during the day if someone comes near the property as the parrots are squawking and the dogs are barking.

However, our dogs are very silent sleepers at night. We had someone come up to our patio door and smash it in one night and neither dog did a thing.

You are lucky. My dogs sleep with me and if they hear any noise they all going running downstairs to check it out. Amazing how 4 Chihuahuas can sound like a heard of elephants running down the stairs at 3 in the morning. A car alarm went off down the street a few weeks ago and they woke me up, not the alarm. And don't even get me started about when there were police helicopters a couple of blocks away. I never got back to sleep.
Right now they are in the back barking because the wind must have blown.
I will say that I feel very safe with them, though.

 

[cluciano63]

Has anyone noticed if mom or dad ever call Lisa by name in the interviews or is it always "her" or "she"? I don't recall hearing them say her name.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Do we have a last known sighting of Lisa by anyone outside the home?

 

[KaylynnCouture]

Depends on age, I think. And did I read that baby was sick or maybe getting sick? That would make a difference. Wouldn't it?

In the original Amber Alert, it was stated that Lisa had a cold.

"Lisa has blue eyes and blond hair, is 30 inches tall and weighs 26 to 30 pounds. She was last seen wearing purple shorts and a purple shirt with white kittens on it, police said. The child has two bottom teeth and a beauty mark on her right outer thigh. Her parents said she also has a cold with a cough."

From: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/04/lisa-irwin-missing-baby-amber-alert_n_994470.html

 

[mrye4709]

Thank you, the link now says he has been found safe and his father is in custody. Parental abduction.

Let's hope and pray Lisa's case has the same positive outcome!

Wow, updated that quick, it didn't say he was found when I linked it. Good news, I wish Lisa's was that quick!

 

[curiositycat]

Now, was the child that was in Debbie's bed her biological son? Just curious.

Yes, the six year old is her son, the eight year old is Jeremy's son.

I wonder if there were any struggles with favoritism with the two kids. Blended families can sometimes be difficult.

 

[Jaxson]

Ok as far as the monitor thing goes....I have 5 kids and monitors did'nt exist when I started having mine. However, the crib was always located in MY room up until at least 1 yr of age. I guess I don't even get that she had her own room!

 

[uvamerica]

Originally Posted by MyBelle
Ok, quick review:
1. baby monitor was on, Mom didn't hear a sound

2. dog always barks at noise but didn't bark at all.

Same lie of omission, imo. Neither the dog nor monitor alerted because there was nothing to alert to. What's next? Perhaps a silent singing canary?

JMO



Nope. I don't think you're losing it, Beane. The story doesn't work. I keep trying to make it work, but it doesn't. Leaves me shaking my head....

Where is she? [Ugh!]

So basically what the parents have told us, there's no way a stranger could have come in their house and taken the baby ? every time they add another detail it points us further away from a stranger abduction :waitasec:

 

[DairyGirl]

If the intruder was not a stranger and had been in the home prior or was familiar at all with the family dog, either through visits to the home or being a regular person on the block or in the neighborhood.

I guess my dogs are morons then. They bark when my boyfriend comes over, when my daughter comes over, when anyone comes up to the door they bark, even me.
And if that isn't bad enough my neighbor has 6 dogs who also bark at the slightest noise. It can really get noisy around here.

 

[KaylynnCouture]

Do we have a last known sighting of Lisa by anyone outside the home?

I'm pretty sure that was on October 2nd, when Lisa was seen by extended family members/friends at her brothers birthday party.

There are photos of the event here: http://www.kctv5.com/slideshow?widgetid=37993

 

[tlcya]

And sometimes, my husband will fart in his sleep and I will wake up...

:floorlaugh:

Thank you Renea, I so was ready for some levity right now

 

[SuziQ]

Someone please tell me why a mother of an infant would sleep with the door to the infant's room closed and the door to the mother's room closed and she apparently doesn't respond to a monitor in the baby's room??????? Why on earth would a mother close the door to her room? With a sick infant in a closed room as well??

Fire safety 101 and how do we know mom not responding to the monitor was a chronic issue?

 

[curiositycat]

Has anyone noticed if mom or dad ever call Lisa by name in the interviews or is it always "her" or "she"? I don't recall hearing them say her name.

They don't even call each other by name, it's "he" did this and "she" did that. I find that a bit odd. A time or two Judge Jeanine interrupted her and said "Who is he?" and Debi said, "Jeremy"

 

[secretagent]

Someone please tell me why a mother of an infant would sleep with the door to the infant's room closed and the door to the mother's room closed and she apparently doesn't respond to a monitor in the baby's room??????? Why on earth would a mother close the door to her room? With a sick infant in a closed room as well??

Oh my god. I have a 20 month old. She slept in a bassinet next to my bed for 3 mos. Then moved into her own crib and room. Now she is in her own room and while most nights I use the monitor, the only thing I wake up for is her crying.

Every little roll over no longer wakes me. I keep the door shut so that no other noise from the house wakes her, including my dog getting up, myself or her father waking up, one of us coming home,l the neighbor dogs barking etc.

I must be in the worst mother ever category.

And when she has occasionally been sick, she still slept in her own room, I do not believe in co sleeping. I think it is very dangerous. The monitor is on unless I forget to turn it on, and I wake when she cries, most of the rime I would hear it even without the monitor.