MO - Michael Brown's stepfather being investigated for inciting riot

[CHERIE.T]

LH can't "unring" a bell nor erase what's been seen. He and his son have, in separate criminal acts, caused great harm to untold numbers of people, caused damage far beyond simply the dollar value by their emotional, non cerebral actions.

He and his partner could have been the face of calm and restraint. Instead they and others chose sides even before the investigation began by numerous local, State and Federal agencies.

CNN along with other left wing media fanned the flames of racial inequality, even using non qualified "pathologist/forensic expert" Shawn Parcells? I believe Michael Brown's family used Parcells in the private autopsy of Michael Brown. Incorrect information after incorrect information with little to no vetting.

Then with non professional, erroneous autopsy information from Parcells, they have the gall to call for a town to be burned down? I hope LH and others responsible are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and then sentenced to the fullest extent of the law.

DAUM, what a stellar post, thanks! :clap:

 

[Archangel7]

I don't think what Parcells said has anything to do with why they feel justice was denied to them. Having said that, I will not be one bit upset if LH is charged with that crime. What he said was wrong. Problem is, if he is charged we are probably back to square one with the riots and protests and it could get even uglier this time around. JMO

How can "they" feel justice was denied to them?

ALL the credible witnesses(at least 3 IIRC) say the exact same thing. The autopsy evidence says the same thing as the 3 credible eye witnesses AND the forensics conducted at the scene on Canfield Dr. says the same thing AND the officer says the same thing.

ALL the direct physical evidence AND witness accounts clearly indicate an attack on Wilson, a struggle over his gun, shots fired in the SUV, a foot pursuit, a stop and turn by Brown, with a warning by Wilson and shots, a pause and a charge by Brown after warnings and final shots. No crime there.

The use of force and its 4th Amendment relationship is that the use force must be reasonable, a lesser force is not required, only that the force USED is reasonable and with the consideration of it happening under a split second decision, tense, adverse conditions and without 20/20 hindsight.

Now given what is known as fact as based on forensics at the scene, witnesses at the scene and 2 autopsies and the actual law, how much intelligence is needed to understand those facts? Surely LH and company can understand that. Yet a complete town, numerous police agencies there and across the nation plus 2,200 troops have to jump thru hoops because LH and his partner can't grasp reality?

 

[Archangel7]

I gave a shot at figuring out the nuances of the incitement laws last night, but only read the federal laws.

It doesn't seem to matter how much of the ultimate riot was the person's fault, but IANAL. (Boy, did autocorrect have fun with that acronym! :crazy: )

I will be shocked if he is charged. Between LE fears of blowback and proving the "intent" in court. I don't doubt that he is guilty of it, though. His history indicates that it's his way. Violence, revenge...

I trust that MB's dad, Mike Brown Sr, sincerely wanted no violence. I know very little about him.

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I don't know the Missouri law specifically, generally it is the defendant himself does not actually need to engage in rioting or violence. Urging others to do so is sufficient. Nor is it necessary that the "incitement" actually cause these other people to riot, commit violence or burn or destroy. All that's necessary is that the accused was trying to instigate these things

 

[SStarr33]

I don't know the Missouri law specifically, generally it is the defendant himself does not actually need to engage in rioting or violence. Urging others to do so is sufficient. Nor is it necessary that the "incitement" actually cause these other people to riot, commit violence or burn or destroy. All that's necessary is that the accused was trying to instigate these things

I would LOVE to seem him (and a bunch of the other instigators) land in jail.

 

[Muffet]

ITA about Parcells. I'd be tempted to throw Baden in too now.

If only we could charge people in the the media and professional agitators.

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[Spellbound]

Since the beginning of this I have seen a very different look on the face of MB Sr. than that of LM and LH. MB Sr. seems to always have a look of sadness and regret on his face, while the other two seem to be stuck in the anger phase. JMO

Michael Brown's bio dad gave his statement BEFORE the ruling came down. I suppose it was intended to be on behalf of all the family, tho the stepfather's words and actions do not speak to the same eloquence.

“After the grand jury’s decision, we are asking for 4 1/2 minutes of silence to remember why we lift our voices. We are not here to be violent. We are here in memory of our son.
We are here for protection of all children. We are here to support justice and equality for all people.
We lift our voices to ensure black and brown men, women, and children can live in this country without being devalued because of the color of our skin."

http://fox2now.com/2014/11/24/michael-browns-father-issues-statement-ahead-of-grand-jury-ruling/

 

[Really?]

I was looking for the GJ thread to post this......but it does have to do with protesting....

the protesters are at it in Philly.....

 

[Muffet]

Minor rant. I have no problem with asking for the silence, especially the way he did it.

But I wish that every time people decry the 4 hours he spent lying out there, mother nature would send a lightning bolt with a recording of the coroner and witnesses who show that the primary people to blame for it were the criminals lining the route who made the streets like such a war zone. He couldn't get in to pick him up.

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[AngelWings444]

Crump just stated on CNN that he DOES NOT represent LH. Nice try at distancing himself.

 

[XXXXXXXX]

I don't know the Missouri law specifically, generally it is the defendant himself does not actually need to engage in rioting or violence. Urging others to do so is sufficient. Nor is it necessary that the "incitement" actually cause these other people to riot, commit violence or burn or destroy. All that's necessary is that the accused was trying to instigate these things

I, myself rarely watch CNN, but I did this morning. I already saw mid-morning on CNN TV that it was UNLIKELY that charges would be brought against, Louis.

Personally? I think this is a very wrong decision. Just more proof that mobs rule now. More proof that LE in Ferguson is scared to death of "upsetting" people and starting more riots.

It's VERY clear that under Federal Law, that Louie did exceed what is protected as free speech under the First Amendment.

Case law here:

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/102/2101

I don't remember which CNN commentator said it was "unlikely" that Ferguson DA would prosecute, but there was some drivel about how "no direct line could be drawn" proving that Louis actually encouraged the arson. According to Federal Law, no direct line NEEDS to be proven. Just the act of using media to make inflammatory statements, calling for violence, is a violation of the above code.

SMH

 

[Yoda]

EXCLUSIVE: 'I've known you for a long time bro... Twenty-five years I've been here': The moment a Ferguson cop could not take the destruction of his community at its own hands any more

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ction-community-hands-more.html#ixzz3KtD9kE7G
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[CoolJ]

How can "they" feel justice was denied to them?

ALL the credible witnesses(at least 3 IIRC) say the exact same thing. The autopsy evidence says the same thing as the 3 credible eye witnesses AND the forensics conducted at the scene on Canfield Dr. says the same thing AND the officer says the same thing.

ALL the direct physical evidence AND witness accounts clearly indicate an attack on Wilson, a struggle over his gun, shots fired in the SUV, a foot pursuit, a stop and turn by Brown, with a warning by Wilson and shots, a pause and a charge by Brown after warnings and final shots. No crime there.

The use of force and its 4th Amendment relationship is that the use force must be reasonable, a lesser force is not required, only that the force USED is reasonable and with the consideration of it happening under a split second decision, tense, adverse conditions and without 20/20 hindsight.

Now given what is known as fact as based on forensics at the scene, witnesses at the scene and 2 autopsies and the actual law, how much intelligence is needed to understand those facts? Surely LH and company can understand that. Yet a complete town, numerous police agencies there and across the nation plus 2,200 troops have to jump thru hoops because LH and his partner can't grasp reality?

These are your interpretations of the document dump. I, and many many many other intelligent people have a different interpretation. I can sit here and write hundreds of words as to why that shooting may have been unjustified without cherry picking a few witnesses to suit my narrative but I won't because 1) we aren't supposed to be discussing the grand jury (and therefore your entire posts should be removed) 2)most here won't even acknowledge or consider what I have to say anyway.

People have differing opinions, get used to it because especially after this despicable GJ decision in the Eric Garner case, we all are going to be hearing those opinions quite frequently in the years to come.

We are here to discuss MBs stepdad and whether or not he incited a riot. That is what I am here to talk about. Any other topics should be removed. <mod snip>

 

[branwynbreeze]

McSpadden began crying and shouting. Her body vibrated with pain as she jumped to her feet.

"I do want to meet with him right now," McSpadden screamed. "What do you mean no indictment?!"

She then ran out of a hotel room followed by family members.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/24/ferguson-grand-jury-deliberations/19474907/

So LH can incite a crowd, LM and posse can assault MB Sr. family members w/o any repercussions.

 

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EXCLUSIVE: 'I've known you for a long time bro... Twenty-five years I've been here': The moment a Ferguson cop could not take the destruction of his community at its own hands any more

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ction-community-hands-more.html#ixzz3KtD9kE7G
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And just look at the kid. His face set in stone, his jaw jutted out in defiance, his lips pursed, and the look in his eyes.

I'd freaking walk out of Ferguson if I had to look at that kind of attitude and hear that kind of attitude directed at me every damn day of my working life. There's a LOT of easier ways to make a living. There are jobs where these dedicated men and women of LE would be welcomed rather than being treated like crap and baited daily.

That cop in the story seems sincerely affected by all of this. The kid? Doesn't seem to care at all.

The cop actually seems to care about the divisive attitude, the kid only seems anxious to further perpetuate it.

LE has a thankless job in a neighborhood that claims no use for them until things go wrong for them. Then they complain LE isn't/wasn't there, or didn't there fast enough.

No worse job than to be a LEO in a situation that no matter WHAT you do, you're always going to be at fault and the "bad guy".

 

[branwynbreeze]

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/12/03/group-threatens-filing-ethics-complaint-against-mcculloch/

A group headed by Dr. Christi Griffin with the Ethics Project will meet tonight to determine whether it will file an ethics complaint against McCulloch with the Missouri Bar Association.

 

[XXXXXXXX]

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/12/03/group-threatens-filing-ethics-complaint-against-mcculloch/

A group headed by Dr. Christi Griffin with the Ethics Project will meet tonight to determine whether it will file an ethics complaint against McCulloch with the Missouri Bar Association.

This is way beyond tiresome. :facepalm:

 

[CHERIE.T]

This is way beyond tiresome. :facepalm:

You're not kidding.

 

[CHERIE.T]

And just look at the kid. His face set in stone, his jaw jutted out in defiance, his lips pursed, and the look in his eyes.

I'd freaking walk out of Ferguson if I had to look at that kind of attitude and hear that kind of attitude directed at me every damn day of my working life. There's a LOT of easier ways to make a living. There are jobs where these dedicated men and women of LE would be welcomed rather than being treated like crap and baited daily.

That cop in the story seems sincerely affected by all of this. The kid? Doesn't seem to care at all.

The cop actually seems to care about the divisive attitude, the kid only seems anxious to further perpetuate it.

LE has a thankless job in a neighborhood that claims no use for them until things go wrong for them. Then they complain LE isn't/wasn't there, or didn't there fast enough.

No worse job than to be a LEO in a situation that no matter WHAT you do, you're always going to be at fault and the "bad guy".

I still think LE in Ferguson should walk off their thankless, threatened jobs. Imo, the last riots possibly should/could have been their breaking point.

MBs step dad will never be charged, imo.

 

[Archangel7]

These are your interpretations of the document dump. I, and many many many other intelligent people have a different interpretation. I can sit here and write hundreds of words as to why that shooting may have been unjustified without cherry picking a few witnesses to suit my narrative but I won't because 1) we aren't supposed to be discussing the grand jury (and therefore your entire posts should be removed) 2)most here won't even acknowledge or consider what I have to say anyway.

People have differing opinions, get used to it because especially after this despicable GJ decision in the Eric Garner case, we all are going to be hearing those opinions quite frequently in the years to come.

We are here to discuss MBs stepdad and whether or not he incited a riot. That is what I am here to talk about. Any other topics should be removed. If you would like me to explain why the GJ decision in the MB case was BS, then send me a PM and I will lay it out for you as clear as day.

Of course he broke the law about inciting a riot. You look at the law and see if it meets the spirit and letter of the statute.

Will he be charged is the question.

On the MB grand jury..... They were qualified to do the job and did so looking at all evidence and all witnesses. Direct evidence doesn't lie, it stands on its own and speaks to the truth of an event. Even without eyewitnesses the evidence shows what transpired. The law specifies what's permissible and justifiable. Justice was served in Ferguson in the courtroom and on the street.

 

[Wysteria]

No I get it but , my point was if there is a fire there is nothing wrong with yelling fire , if there is not then he would be very wrong for yelling fire.

Yes, there is certainly something wrong with yelling fire in a crowded theatre whether there is a fire or not. It's illegal where I live.
It is one of the most dangerous, stupid and insane things that anyone could do.
Picture yourself sitting in a crowed theatre and someone runs in and yells fire.
What would you do?

For heavens sake, sometimes I wonder...never mind.
I've avoided this thread for a reason.
Yet here I am.

As far as this stepfather person? Charge him. Jail him. buh bye, so long, see ya.

I've typed the following statement so many times I'm getting tired of doing it: Personal Responsibility.

And I'm not even going to get started on The Rams players' vile conduct.

One thing I will say without getting into any trouble.
I think that it was a superb idea to shut down the MB thread.