MO - Off-duty officer (Katlyn Alix) shot dead by on-duty officer (Nathaniel Hendren), Jan 2019

[SandyQLS]

The report of RR was from the unnamed partner as related to the IAD Sgt H.

It's been reported that they left roll call in their patrol vehicle and went directly to the residence of NH. If the shift was 11-7, then generously allow 45 minutes to arrive NLT 11:45pm - they were at the residence for at least about an hour before the 911 call at 12:56am.

What were they doing there for an hour?

The simplest explanation would be that Alix wanted to borrow or buy the revolver and they met for that purpose. In showing the weapon, it accidently discharged. But this is not the story. Instead we have the partner's RR story.

This unnamed partner is already in deep trouble for the whole evening by not being out where he belongs on patrol, for not contacting a supervisor, etc. He is also between a rock and a hard place with CYOwnA or CYPartnerA.

The partner's best option here is to save himself by telling the unvarnished truth and cooperating. NH should have a lawyer and say nothing at all.

This is why I believe the fantastical RR story - because it came from the unnamed witnessing partner and his own best interest is the truth.

 

[Psychofcrime]

ooops. Not sure how I did this. I wish I could find DELETE

 

[Psychofcrime]

Absolutely gut wrenching press conference with KA's family and their attorney. Their Attorney, Scott Rosenblum, is well known in the area as a hard hitter. Gives me hope that we will get to the truth.
‘This world lost a lot, when we lost Katie we lost a lot.’ | Family of Officer Katlyn Alix speaks first time since her death

 

[cybervampira]

 

[GordianKnot]

I’ve said this before and I understand that members can’t read every single post. Generally there is no standard protocol for anything. Police officers are hired with the understanding that they can think on their feet and are not robots. During the hiring process those who can’t make quick decisions are weeded out. An example was the number of people who thought that the kidnapping car in the Jayme case in Wisconsin should have been stopped just because it was headed the other way after a hang up 911 call. Had that question been asked in an interview a lot of prospective officers would have had a strike against them.

Back in my early patrol days I rushed at least two people to the hospital in the police cruiser. One involved a family that had driven a ten year old boy who had fallen into a gasoline-fed trash fire. They flagged me down in a busy intersection and I had two choices, of course the father dumped the boy in the front seat and I drove 100 mph to a hospital that they never would have found.

So yes, I would approve of their decision to drive the officer to the hospital. Had they put her on the flooor and performed CPR I’d have been fine with that also.

Thanks, Falcon! I'm so sorry, I must have missed your initial post addressing the question re: there not really being any such thing as "standard" police protocol.

Understood that the officers transporting her to the hospital in their cruiser in and of itself does not raise red flags for you. I know you are sceptical of the RRR story, though, so what does raise red flags?

 

[PrairieWind]

I believe both of the on-duty officers were fairly new, correct? The shooter with one year and the other with about 2 years experience? It would seem to me that new officers would be more likely to be "by the book" and following strict procedure and not so cavalier about just blowing off their patrol and going home. It also would seem to me that newer officers should be under better supervision. How is it that they could just leave their patrol for a period of time? Are they not receiving calls? It just seems that there is a huge break down here. Patrol officers not patrolling (and not even in their patrol district) and supervisors not supervising, dispatch has no idea where officers are. Then the prosecutor's letter to the police about possibly interfering with a warrant or providing false information to the DA. That is possibly obstruction. I normally am pro law enforcement and typically give them the benefit of the doubt to start with. But I just can't do it here.

 

[Mountaingazer]

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Would be interested in the text/call history between all parties involved.

RSBM

Ya, and when was this ‘game night’ meet up scheduled?[/QUOTE]

Did she usually work nights as well? If so, I wonder if this relates to her being off and the husband working. I suspect he might have expected them to be home together on the nights they both had off.

 

[StarrChance]

I noticed in the linked article above about another officer (Thomas Zeigler) shooting a fellow officer. He also first attempted to take her to the hospital himself. Removed her from the bedroom where the shooting took place and put her in his car, but someone ended up calling EMS.

I found the court case reported in 2005, in a nutshell it seems they dropped the gun sex toy angle. Become a game of he said/she said. The female officer lost a eye and needed many operations. The shooting was in the car, the blood on the bed was from bondage/slashing with a razor type sex (can’t believe I just typed that). Jury went very lightly on him, no time for the shooting and three months for drug possession. I can post all the newspaper links if anyone wants them, don’t want to derail the thread but it is a similar story of two police, drugs, gun, shooting.

 

[Willow Knight]

Put me on that list!!

I do have a question. Has Russian Roulette (regular,in reverse, strip, etc) ever actually been played? I just really can’t wrap my brain around that.

I’m not sure what’s harder to believe - that someone would actually play RR, or that someone would think it was a good excuse to use to cover up something else.

This is what makes me think it really did happen. The above part where you stated "someone would think it was a good excuse to use to cover up..". I can't think of any theory where one would use that as an excuse. IMO, the opposite would be more believable. As in come up with a scenario where it would not be RRR.

And if the partner was walking out of the room, to me that says the partner didn't want any part of it. Sorry if this was asked before, can it be concluded how many times the gun was fired?

 

[MassGuy]

This is what makes me think it really did happen. The above part where you stated "someone would think it was a good excuse to use to cover up..". I can't think of any theory where one would use that as an excuse. IMO, the opposite would be more believable. As in come up with a scenario where it would not be RRR.

And if the partner was walking out of the room, to me that says the partner didn't want any part of it. Sorry if this was asked before, can it be concluded how many times the gun was fired?

You’re right, it would be a really stupid scenario to come up with.

Anything sounds better than Reverse Russian Roulette. Literally anything...

My feeling is that it is atleast partially true, and that something close to that occurred. It’s not a complete fabrication.

If that gun was fired more than once, then that would change things completely. I do not believe that it was.

 

[Seattle1]

Does anyone know which man in the funeral photos is her husband? <modsnipped rumor is not allowed here>Didn't they marry just this past October 2018?

From earlier wedding photos shown during Mom's interview with local tv network (posted up thread), I believe he's the man in sunglasses.

Photos: Funeral for St. Louis Police Officer Katlyn Alix

 

[SoCalDavidS]

How is it an "accident" if they were playing a game that involved pointing a loaded gun at someone and squeezing the trigger?

How is it unintentional manslaughter, if this so-called game involved pointing a loaded gun at someone, and squeezing the trigger?

From what's been reported thus far, the Killer knew full well that there was a bullet in the gun. He knew full well that the gun was being aimed at the victim when he squeezed the trigger. Sounds like 1st Degree Murder, and a cover up IMO.

 

[MassGuy]

How is it an "accident" if they were playing a game that involved pointing a loaded gun at someone and squeezing the trigger?

How is it unintentional manslaughter, if this so-called game involved pointing a loaded gun at someone, and squeezing the trigger?

From what's been reported thus far, the Killer knew full well that there was a bullet in the gun. He knew full well that the gun was being aimed at the victim when he squeezed the trigger. Sounds like 1st Degree Murder, and a cover up IMO.

If this was a semi-automatic handgun, then you’d be right.

Being that this was a revolver, that bullet is only going to fire from one position in the cylinder.

So a pull of the trigger wouldn’t necessarily mean a gunshot.

That’s of course taking this at face value, and assuming that he didn’t look at where the bullet was after he supposedly spun the cylinder.

Assuming that this was a mutual “game,” then the charges align.

But that’s “assuming.”

 

[Seattle1]

How is it an "accident" if they were playing a game that involved pointing a loaded gun at someone and squeezing the trigger?

How is it unintentional manslaughter, if this so-called game involved pointing a loaded gun at someone, and squeezing the trigger?

From what's been reported thus far, the Killer knew full well that there was a bullet in the gun. He knew full well that the gun was being aimed at the victim when he squeezed the trigger. Sounds like 1st Degree Murder, and a cover up IMO.

I disagree with a "cover up," but not to say the charges may be upgraded when the investigation and test results complete. MOO

 

[buttonbaby]

From earlier wedding photos shown during Mom's interview with local tv network (posted up thread), I believe he's the man in sunglasses.

Photos: Funeral for St. Louis Police Officer Katlyn Alix

From earlier wedding photos shown during Mom's interview with local tv network (posted up thread), I believe he's the man in sunglasses.

Thank you Seattle1!!! Most appreciated.

Photos: Funeral for St. Louis Police Officer Katlyn Alix

 

[happy128]

RSBM

Ya, and when was this ‘game night’ meet up scheduled?

Did she usually work nights as well? If so, I wonder if this relates to her being off and the husband working. I suspect he might have expected them to be home together on the nights they both had off.[/QUOTE]

I don't think I have seen much if anything about her husband. The press conference with her parents mentioned her being a wonderful daughter, sister and sister-in-law.. nothing about being a wife. Her wedding registry didn't have her husband's name on it. It all seems like interesting dynamics all the way around.

 

[mickey2942]

There is still a lot of unanswered questions here...I guess my main question is the relationship between the victim and the accused.

That could answer a lot of questions.

 

[PrairieWind]

If this was a semi-automatic handgun, then you’d be right.

Being that this was a revolver, that bullet is only going to fire from one position in the cylinder.

So a pull of the trigger wouldn’t necessarily mean a gunshot.

That’s of course taking this at face value, and assuming that he didn’t look at where the bullet was after he supposedly spun the cylinder.

Assuming that this was a mutual “game,” then the charges align.

But that’s “assuming.”

I would agree. I am also assuming that he was pulling the trigger because he though he knew that the live round was in a position in the revolver that wouldn't fire. He was simply wrong for whatever reason. That is involuntary manslaughter. He will go to prison for a few years, never be in law enforcement again, and never be allowed to possess a firearm again. Officer Alix is dead because her "friend" was a reckless idiot!

 

[buttonbaby]

Seattle1... thank you for the pics of KA's husband... tried to thank you in a reply, but now the pics are double posted and I can't delete, lol!

 

[Mercedes]

BBM:

Feelings aren't Facts.

There will be a thorough investigation. IMO.

Not to argue, Gordian, but I am not sure the investigation will be so thorough.