MO - Off-duty officer (Katlyn Alix) shot dead by on-duty officer (Nathaniel Hendren), Jan 2019

[MassGuy]

I don't think they were actually playing russian roulette. Not for real anyway. They may indeed have had a live round in the gun and were pointing it and pulling the trigger. But they were doing it, in my opinion, thinking it was perfectly safe because they "knew" where in the cylinder the live round was. So they knew they had 3-4 safe trigger pulls and were just pretending to play RR. The problem was that they lost track of where the cylinder was or it got advanced a position or two without them realizing. On that last trigger pull, he completely expected it go "click." Instead, it went "BANG!"

That the shooting was accidental is also supported by the two officers reactions and actions after the shooting. It appears that they both immediately radioed and called in the shooting, then put her in the police car and drove right to the hospital. It seems they really were trying to save her life. If he had intentionally shot her, I think they would have taken a little more time to get a better story, then called it in.

Yeah, I agree with everything you just said.

Especially the last part: “I think they would have taken a little more time to get a better story.”

This is the most incriminating story they could have told, atleast as far as an accidental shooting goes.

It only makes sense to me if it’s true.

 

[SoCalDavidS]

I don't think they were actually playing russian roulette. Not for real anyway. They may indeed have had a live round in the gun and were pointing it and pulling the trigger. But they were doing it, in my opinion, thinking it was perfectly safe because they "knew" where in the cylinder the live round was. So they knew they had 3-4 safe trigger pulls and were just pretending to play RR. The problem was that they lost track of where the cylinder was or it got advanced a position or two without them realizing. On that last trigger pull, he completely expected it go "click." Instead, it went "BANG!"

I am not a gun person, I'm quite anti-firearms, and think the 2nd Amendment has been so twisted, that there will Never be any sensible gun control policies in this country, at least in my lifetime. That admitted, I do not comprehend how Anyone, let alone a police officer, could think it was "perfectly safe," or that they "knew" where in the cylinder the live round was. I would just come to believe that if you have a gun containing a bullet, and you point it in another person's direction and pull the trigger, there is a possibility, no matter how insignificant, that something bad could come of it.

Given that they were supposedly at the house for a very short period of time, I don't see how he could become so drunk so quickly, as to lose the capability of realizing how dangerous it was to do something that insane.

 

[renah]

Does anyone else think it's possible that he was distraught and was pointing the gun towards himself, and Alix wrenched it towards her own chest at just the wrong moment?

Just my speculation but maybe they'd had a prior involvement and she wanted to end it and he was still in love with her.

He could've been working himself up and threatening self-harm prior to arriving to his home. Partner removes his service revolver and maybe that neccessitated giving him that black eye.

Someone alerted Alix and that's why she rushed over there, to talk him down.

*This is just my speculation* but it makes alot more sense than RR!

 

[Falcon500]

Does anyone else think it's possible that he was distraught and was pointing the gun towards himself, and Alix wrenched it towards her own chest at just the wrong moment?

Just my speculation but maybe they'd had a prior involvement and she wanted to end it and he was still in love with her.

He could've been working himself up and threatening self-harm prior to arriving to his home. Partner removes his service revolver and maybe that neccessitated giving him that black eye.

Someone alerted Alix and that's why she rushed over there, to talk him down.

*This is just my speculation* but it makes alot more sense than RR!

Not in a million years.

 

[MJPeony]

How, when, and where did I change my mind?

I took the following post to mean that you did not think they were playing RRR. But I could have misinterpreted.

Falcon, equally implausible to me is the Reverse Russian Roulette scenario.
Do you agree, or no?

Yes.

In my mind, 2 trained police officers playing a life and death "game" like RRR (one while on duty) is so highly unlikely that it is not believable. But I'm just a bystander- perhaps naive- and have not worked in law enforcement, so take that for what it's worth.

 

[mickey2942]

Well, whatever. Anyone that stupid shouldn't be a police officer. And that includes the partner who was along for the ride.

At any point in time, he had a radio, and could have called it in, and saved a life. He chose to deliberately leave, and say nothing.

 

[GordianKnot]

Given that they were supposedly at the house for a very short period of time, I don't see how he could become so drunk so quickly, as to lose the capability of realizing how dangerous it was to do something that insane.

RSABBMFF: Cha-Ching! On the money again, SoCalD!

 

[SoCalDavidS]

I wonder if they came up with the RRR story, in an attempt to avoid the issue of the fact there might have been an affair going on with a woman married to a fellow officer, rather than thinking thru to the fact he needed to prove his innocence to murdering her. I hate to victim blame, especially a dead victim, but if she was there to engage in something sexual with perhaps both officers, they're trying to cover that up with the RRR story. Which leads back to the original question of WHY she was shot.

 

[GordianKnot]

I don't think they were actually playing russian roulette. Not for real anyway. They may indeed have had a live round in the gun and were pointing it and pulling the trigger. But they were doing it, in my opinion, thinking it was perfectly safe because they "knew" where in the cylinder the live round was. So they knew they had 3-4 safe trigger pulls and were just pretending to play RR. The problem was that they lost track of where the cylinder was or it got advanced a position or two without them realizing. On that last trigger pull, he completely expected it go "click." Instead, it went "BANG!"

That the shooting was accidental is also supported by the two officers reactions and actions after the shooting. It appears that they both immediately radioed and called in the shooting, then put her in the police car and drove right to the hospital. It seems they really were trying to save her life. If he had intentionally shot her, I think they would have taken a little more time to get a better story, then called it in.

If that's the way it went down, that's the freakiest form of foreplay I've ever heard of, which is to say, I've never heard of it.

Personally, I'm not buying that scenario at all. This was a hook-up meet. In at least one individuals's mind at that apartment, if not more.

Something went sideways.

As always and ever, JMO.

 

[mickey2942]

If that's the way it went down, that's the freakiest form of foreplay I've ever heard of, which is to say, I've never heard of it.

Personally, I'm not buying that scenario at all. This was a hook-up meet. In at least one individuals's mind at that apartment, if not more.

Something went sideways.

As always and ever, JMO.

We have always had guns in our home. Even the littlest ones know never touch one. They would have touched a hot stove before one of Daddy's guns, which were always kept in a safe anyway.

But, primary gun safety is always check to make sure it is unloaded if you are cleaning it, or handing it to someone. Check the barrel, not just the clip. And WTH are they dry firing for anyways? Ruin the pin.

 

[GordianKnot]

I wonder if they came up with the RRR story, in an attempt to avoid the issue of the fact there might have been an affair going on with a woman married to a fellow officer, rather than thinking thru to the fact he needed to prove his innocence to murdering her. I hate to victim blame, especially a dead victim, but if she was there to engage in something sexual with perhaps both officers, they're trying to cover that up with the RRR story. Which leads back to the original question of WHY she was shot.

IMO, 2 men and 1 woman in an ambiguous triangulated situation could potentially spell disaster, especially if there's any kind of miscommunication between the parties about what's on the agenda.

All it would take would be for one of them to act on the wrong assumption, and things could quickly spiral out of control, especially if alcohol and/or drugs are part of the equation.

JMO.

 

[Betty P]

If that's the way it went down, that's the freakiest form of foreplay I've ever heard of, which is to say, I've never heard of it.

Personally, I'm not buying that scenario at all. This was a hook-up meet. In at least one individuals's mind at that apartment, if not more.

Something went sideways.

As always and ever, JMO.

It's probably not something you want to search on the internet w/o "safe" mode, but apparently its something some folks do.

Man Shoots Girlfriend After Drunken Gun Foreplay

Hope that wasn't the case in this accidental death.

ETA: This was the first thing that came up in a search, I don't feel like exploring any further.

 

[GordianKnot]

It's probably not something you want to search on the internet w/o "safe" mode, but apparently its something some folks do.

Man Shoots Girlfriend After Drunken Gun Foreplay

Hope that wasn't the case in this accidental death.

ETA: This was the first thing that came up in a search, I don't feel like exploring any further.

I think I'm going to just go ahead and take your word for it, Betty.

Pretty sure I can write the story based on the headline.

 

[SoCalDavidS]

Man Shoots Girlfriend After Drunken Gun Foreplay

Hope that wasn't the case in this accidental death.

Is that a gun in your pants, or are you just happy to see me?

Sorry...couldn't resist.

 

[Betty P]

I think I'm going to just go ahead and take your word for it, Betty.

Pretty sure I can write the story based on the headline.

The only other thing I can think of is whether there are some gun "games" that soldiers play these days when overseas? Didn't NH spend quite a bit of time in Afghanistan? Was he in combat? JMO

 

[MassGuy]

The only other thing I can think of is whether there are some gun "games" that soldiers play these days when overseas? Didn't NH spend quite a bit of time in Afghanistan? Was he in combat? JMO

Soldiers and Marines aren’t issued revolvers, so this isn’t a type of game that would be played.

If you so much as point a gun at one of your own, you are going to get a beating that you won’t soon forget.

You will then be severely punished, and sent home.

I’ve seen it.

 

[GordianKnot]

Yeah, I agree with everything you just said.

Especially the last part: “I think they would have taken a little more time to get a better story.”

This is the most incriminating story they could have told, atleast as far as an accidental shooting goes.

It only makes sense to me if it’s true.

BBM:

Mebbes.

It's nearly impossible to generate any plausible "accidental" scenario given the set of circumstances we're looking at here. I don't know why we're reaching so hard to find the "accidental" scenario that makes the most sense, when none do, frankly.

I'm absolutely certain panic set in immediately after she was shot. Generally one's sharpest thinking does not occur when in panicked and/or impaired mode.

They would have had to quickly put their (pea) brains together on the ride to the hospital (with KA bleeding to death in front of their eyes), and come up with this brilliant "accidental" explanation. The questions re: what happened would have started the second they rushed her into the ER.

I don't think they had much time to come up with their accidental story, hence the reason this one is so utterly ridiculous. I think they were trying to explain away several issues, including NH having a black eye, KA being shot point-blank in the chest, and potentially her fingerprints on the gun.

Let's all admit that we'd be hard-pressed to come up with an ironclad storyline given that set of circumstances. I know I would!

To me, it doesn't make sense only if it's true.

To me, it only makes sense if it's the fictional brainchild of 2 panicked and impaired pea-brains.

If that makes sense.

 

[GordianKnot]

Is that a gun in your pants, or are you just happy to see me?

Sorry...couldn't resist.

SCD! Haaaaaaaa. Hilarious. You win the internet today!!!!!!!!

 

[GordianKnot]

DBM: Discretion is the better part of valor.

 

[GordianKnot]

Does anyone else think it's possible that he was distraught and was pointing the gun towards himself, and Alix wrenched it towards her own chest at just the wrong moment?

Just my speculation but maybe they'd had a prior involvement and she wanted to end it and he was still in love with her.

He could've been working himself up and threatening self-harm prior to arriving to his home. Partner removes his service revolver and maybe that neccessitated giving him that black eye.

Someone alerted Alix and that's why she rushed over there, to talk him down.

*This is just my speculation* but it makes alot more sense than RR!

BBM: To your bolded point first, rena, your speculation does indeed make a lot more sense than RRR! There are countless others that make more sense than RRR, too, IMO....

While your scenario certainly falls within the realm of possibility, I personally don't see it as the most probable.

This ain't Romeo and Juliet. No tale of star-crossed lovers here.

Shakespeare's pen didn't ink this script.

I'm thinking it's a bit more Basic Instinct meets Fatal Attraction meets...well, I'd say 50 Shades of Gray, but I've never seen the movies/read the books, so that would be a bit disingenuous of me to draw the comparison.

Like I said to begin with, though, your speculation makes way more sense than RRR does!

Anything is possible on this crazy, spinning planet. Except RRR!

All of the Above = JMO