MO - Off-duty officer (Katlyn Alix) shot dead by on-duty officer (Nathaniel Hendren), Jan 2019

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  • #542
The discovery will be interesting.

Yes, for what the public ever gets to see. The Amber Guyger case has been going since September 2018, and we (the public), have not seen hardly anything at all. The lid is sealed so tight on this, it is like Area 51 top secret!
 
  • #543
Let’s review what we know so far (from the Media):

“As (Hendren's partner) left the room but before leaving the apartment, he heard a shot," police said.

The officer, 24-year-old Katlyn Alix [who was off-duty], was in the living room of another officer [Nathan Hendren] who was on duty but at the home [700 Block, Dover Street] just before 1 a.m. when he "mishandled a firearm and shot (Alix) in the chest," police said in a written statement Thursday morning.


The market value of the residence is between $100k – 140k. Blockshopper.com suggests the home is owned by Sander Liebert and Meenakshi. See also Meenakshi Liebert, Meenakhi Batra. Sold in June 2010 and again January 2011. Purchased by Sander and Meenakshi Liebert in February 2018.

Dover Place, St. Louis, MO | BlockShopper.com

https://blockshopper.com/mo/st-louis-city/st-louis/property/28980000300/750-dover-place


Hendren’s partner told Hendren and Alix “that they shouldn’t be playing with guns and that they were police officers,” police said in the statement.

“He felt uncomfortable with them playing with guns and didn’t want to have any part of it and started to leave."

Hendren took the gun back and pulled the trigger.

The statement was provided by Sgt. Richard Hellmeier, [NOT] Hendren's partner [who is later confirmed to be PR], who was on-duty and with the two at the time of the shooting.

According to Hellmeier (now changed to Lt. Brown via PR), Hendren initially spun the cylinder and pointed the revolver away from Alix. But when he pulled the trigger, it did not fire. She took the gun and pointed it at Hendren, but again the gun did not fire.

Police officer charged with killing fellow cop in Russian roulette-style shooting


Hellmeier (now changed to Lt. Brown via PR), said, according to the probable cause statement, that "he advised that he told the defendant and victim that they shouldn't be playing with guns and that they were police officers. He felt uncomfortable with them playing with guns and didn't want to have any part of it and he started to leave. As he left the room but before leaving the apartment he heard a shot. He went back into the room and saw that the victim had been shot in the chest."


The house is about two miles from the southeastern border of the district they were supposed to be patrolling. Under department policy, on-duty officers are required to remain in their assigned districts at all times.


Alix was married to another SLPD officer (now known to be AJM) who was not present during the incident. They were married last October.

According to police, the officer who shot Officer Alix has been with the department for approximately one year. The other on-duty officer has worked for the SLMPD for about two years.

Hendren and his partner called in the shooting on their police radios at 12:56 a.m. Thursday as they rushed Alix to the hospital [in their marked SLPD SUV]. Alix was pronounced dead in the emergency room at 1:07 a.m.


Both Hendren and Alix had military backgrounds and presumably formal firearms training. Alix served six years in an Army in a MP unit including a tour a la Gitmo. Hendren joined the Marine Corp after HS and was deployed to Afghanistan for a time.


The weapon used was a revolver [possibly a 5-cylinder .38 special], not a service-pistol


Another neighbor said on Twitter that she heard loud yelling that got her out of bed during the night. She also heard a loud thump, but nothing she recognized as a gunshot.


Hendren had been hospitalized after taking Alix to the hospital following the shooting, according to sources. He head-butted the back window of a police SUV parked at the hospital, sources said. He broke the window and suffered minor injuries to his head, sources said.


The booking photo released by police shows Hendren with a blackened left eye.


Later the police department would refuse to confirm that Hendren was hospitalized, how the window to the SUV was shattered or any other details about the case. (Updated, now they are claiming the black eye was sustained during the head-butt).


Scott Rosenblum is representing the family.


BBM/JMO:

Here is what is not being reported / [possibly] covered-up by the police in an official capacity. I have not been able to verify these details and it is unlikely I will be able to with the on-going cover up.

1. Cocaine (more questions re: gardner letter)

2. Alcohol (not disclosed during initial reports)

3. “Pants not properly pulled up” (timeline of officers arriving / taking KA to hospital brings more questions, hopefully there is absolutely zero truth to this)

4. She was married (not disclosed during initial reports)


Just seems a bit odd that two officers were outside of their procedural patrol area, and that the two officers involved in the incident were military-trained yet ‘mishandled’ a firearm. Third, what kind of partner [possibly senior officer on site if we assume KA/NH graduated together and PR was at the commencement] simply walks out of the room while two of his buddies are playing Russian Roulette while one of them is on-duty?

Never mind the fact the official narrative keeps changing by the minute.

12-16 weeks on a forensic toxicology report is complete BS smoke and mirrors. There is no reason initial survey and suggested findings could not be released three to four weeks or sooner. The official tox report will probably be scrubbed anyways.
 
  • #544
It seems like the STLPOA is trying to use this previous case as a distraction from the killing of Officer Alix. Two completely different cases, one had nothing to do with the other. This isn't helping their reputation, at all.

Maybe it's time to bring in the FBI.

IMO, that particular agency needs to focus on removing the wooden plank out of its own eye before they look at helping anyone else in the LEA brotherhood with taking the specks out of theirs.
 
  • #545
IMO, that particular agency needs to focus on removing the wooden plank out of its own eye before they look at helping anyone else in the LEA brotherhood with taking the specks out of theirs.

There aren't many other alternatives, unfortunately.
 
  • #546
There aren't many other alternatives, unfortunately.

My vote is for SLPD to bring in Websleuths volunteers to conduct an outside review.
 
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EXCLUSIVE: Cop who was with his partner when he killed female officer during game of 'Russian roulette' is pictured for the first time as questions mount over what really happened


Nathaniel Hendren's police partner Patrick Riordan pictured for the first time | Daily Mail Online

ETA (Patrick Riordan is pictured below in the middle)

Since he appears to be so well-versed in basic safety speeches, perhaps Riordan would have been better suited in a position as the School Resource Officer at the local elementary.

He seemed to do a commendable job explaining to his partner that,
"You should not play with guns!"

Little kids would get that message!

Too bad NH didn't.

JMO.
 
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WHAT WE WANT TO KNOW:
There are more questions than answers in the case of the Russian Roulette cop shooting. These are the most pressing:​

  • Why were the two on-duty cops at Officer Hendren's home instead of being on patrol?
  • Why was off-duty Officer Alix at the home late at night?
  • Where was her husband?
  • Was there a romantic relationship between the male officers and Officer Alix?
  • Was there a grudge between Officer Alix and Officer Hendren?
  • Who started the game of Russian roulette?
  • Had Officer Alix been drinking?
  • Was Officer Riordan really just a witness to the game?
  • Why weren't blood tests administered to Officer Hendren and Officer Riordan after the shooting?
  • Why did Officer Hendren have a black eye from 'headbutting a police car?'
  • Were the officers wearing body cams?
  • Were any other substances involved?

Nathaniel Hendren's police partner Patrick Riordan pictured for the first time | Daily Mail Online
 
  • #549
<snip>
They apply any time officers fire their guns, except for at a firing range. <snip>
St. Louis Police to Face Tougher Drug Testing After Shootings
So are they exempt from this if they didn't fire their service weapons?

I didn't take it that way. It also included "involved in an incident/accident which results..."

Edit to add this from the above link/article:

Changes to the policy regarding "critical incidents" was issued Monday by the city's personnel department. They apply any time officers fire their guns, except for at a firing range. The policy also extends beyond shootings to any officer "involved in an incident/accident which results in the death or serious physical harm to an individual(s)."
 
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WHAT WE WANT TO KNOW:
There are more questions than answers in the case of the Russian Roulette cop shooting. These are the most pressing:​

  • Why were the two on-duty cops at Officer Hendren's home instead of being on patrol?
  • Why was off-duty Officer Alix at the home late at night?
  • Where was her husband?
  • Was there a romantic relationship between the male officers and Officer Alix?
  • Was there a grudge between Officer Alix and Officer Hendren?
  • Who started the game of Russian roulette?
  • Had Officer Alix been drinking?
  • Was Officer Riordan really just a witness to the game?
  • Why weren't blood tests administered to Officer Hendren and Officer Riordan after the shooting?
  • Why did Officer Hendren have a black eye from 'headbutting a police car?'
  • Were the officers wearing body cams?
  • Were any other substances involved?

Nathaniel Hendren's police partner Patrick Riordan pictured for the first time | Daily Mail Online

BBMFF:

Fantastic post, yabby! Those are some great questions.
The ones bolded are of particular interest to me.

I'm wondering if the head-butting of the police car occurred after the eye was blackened as a way of explaining away the blackened eye.

IMO, this was a pre-planned meet-up between KA and NH, and Riordan was literally along for the ride, simply because he had to be since he was NH's partner.

IMO, the partner may have initially been either waiting in the car or discreetly taken himself off to another room.

Don't really want to go further than that with my speculation on the thread, but things appear to have transpired pretty quickly...hard to believe you'd be ready to get a rousing game of RRR rolling the minute you walked in the door.

JMO.
 
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BBMFF:

Fantastic post, yabby! Those are some great questions you posed.
The ones bolded are of particular interest to me.

I'm wondering if the head-butting of the police car occurred after the eye was blackened as a way of explaining away the blackened eye.

IMO, this was a pre-planned meet-up between KA and NH, and Riordan was literally along for the ride, simply because he had to be since he was NH's partner.

IMO, the partner may have initially been either waiting in the car or discreetly taken himself off to another room.

Don't really want to go further than that with my speculation on the thread, but things appear to have transpired pretty quickly...hard to believe you'd be ready to get a rousing game of RRR rolling the minute you walked in the door.

JMO.
Thanks. Those questions were all Daily Mail's, though. Personally, I'm not interested in the "where was her husband" one. Most of the rest are pretty good.
 
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Thanks. Those questions were all Daily Mail's, though. Personally, I'm not interested in the "where was her husband" one. Most of the rest are pretty good.

yab, I agree....the only relevant piece of info re: husband is that he was on duty himself (and, unlike NH, most likely in his assigned district) at the time of the shooting.

IMO, the fact that the husband was working a scheduled shift is likely a pertinent piece of the puzzle.

JMO.
 
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Interesting links, are these prohibited for some reason? Will not quote directly, however these links are from a news website. Are these links prohibited for some reason?

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Interesting links, are these prohibited for some reason? Will not quote directly, however these links are from a news website. Are these links prohibited for some reason?

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  • #555
A few things that I thought to put in the discussion.

Imagine hospital staff at 1am at a 356 bed hospital (opposed to the 1,252 bed Barnes), there are strict hipaa laws and the average attending nurses would have to go to a supervisor to approve blood draw in the midst of all the madness.

Sometimes the victim is the person who all involved are also trying to protect. There was obviously a close relationship between these officers. It is no doubt that shady business was going on, but she may have been just as complicit.

There is a strong distrust of law enforcement occurring all over the U.S. I believe it could make it very difficult for an officer to do their job in the best interest of the public. I feel that we need to make some moves in the direction of unity.

Chief Hayden only became appointed police commissioner 12/28/2017. He was sworn in as an officer in 1987. He is a good example of "to serve and protect". I think he will do the right thing.
 
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A few things that I thought to put in the discussion.

Imagine hospital staff at 1am at a 356 bed hospital (opposed to the 1,252 bed Barnes), there are strict hipaa laws and the average attending nurses would have to go to a supervisor to approve blood draw in the midst of all the madness.

Sometimes the victim is the person who all involved are also trying to protect. There was obviously a close relationship between these officers. It is no doubt that shady business was going on, but she may have been just as complicit.

There is a strong distrust of law enforcement occurring all over the U.S. I believe it could make it very difficult for an officer to do their job in the best interest of the public. I feel that we need to make some moves in the direction of unity.

Chief Hayden only became appointed police commissioner 12/28/2017. He was sworn in as an officer in 1987. He is a good example of "to serve and protect". I think he will do the right thing.

No one gets that high at SLPD by staying clean, and ethical. He will cover himself, and if needed, throw people under the bus.
 
  • #557
So were only allowed to consider content from MSM sources?

Kind of seems counterintuitive. JMO.
Yes only MSM sources are allowed. No not counter intuitive at all JMO.
 
  • #558
JAN 31, 2019

ST. LOUIS – Judge David Roither said he had a problem with defense attorneys calling Officer Nathanial Hendren’s fatal shooting of Officer Katlyn Alix an accident.

The judge pointed to the suspect's military and police training and said Officer Hendren knows, "You do not point a muzzle at anything you do not intend to shoot.”

Judge Roither listed what he believes were “intentional” acts as described in the probable cause statement.

“Unholstering the firearm – an intentional action. Loading it – intentional action. Reloading it – intentional action. Pointing it – intentional,” Roither said

Despite the judge’s strong words, Officer Hendren bonded out. The judge increased the bond to $100,000 but allowed him to post 10 percent to get out.

During the hearing, Katlyn Alix’s sister, Jessica Durbin, cried to the judge, ''My whole world is lost.” She added, “we need the truth.”

Officer Alix’s husband, St. Louis police Officer Anthony Meyer, also pleaded with the judge, asking him not to reduce Hendren’s bond.

Hendren sat with his head down, sometimes lowering it to the table. His family, from Columbia, Missouri, sat behind him. They held each other and cried.
Judge said actions of officer who shot his colleague were “intentional”
 
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JAN 31, 2019

ST. LOUIS – Judge David Roither said he had a problem with defense attorneys calling Officer Nathanial Hendren’s fatal shooting of Officer Katlyn Alix an accident.

The judge pointed to the suspect's military and police training and said Officer Hendren knows, "You do not point a muzzle at anything you do not intend to shoot.”

Judge Roither listed what he believes were “intentional” acts as described in the probable cause statement.

“Unholstering the firearm – an intentional action. Loading it – intentional action. Reloading it – intentional action. Pointing it – intentional,” Roither said

Despite the judge’s strong words, Officer Hendren bonded out. The judge increased the bond to $100,000 but allowed him to post 10 percent to get out.

During the hearing, Katlyn Alix’s sister, Jessica Durbin, cried to the judge, ''My whole world is lost.” She added, “we need the truth.”

Officer Alix’s husband, St. Louis police Officer Anthony Meyer, also pleaded with the judge, asking him not to reduce Hendren’s bond.

Hendren sat with his head down, sometimes lowering it to the table. His family, from Columbia, Missouri, sat behind him. They held each other and cried.
Judge said actions of officer who shot his colleague were “intentional”
Exactly. The Marines have 4 weapons safety rules.

  • Treat every weapon as if it were loaded.
  • Keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you intend to fire.
  • Never point your weapon at anything you don't intend to shoot.
  • Keep your weapon on safe until you intend to fire.
This was at best, pure recklessness.
 
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