MO - Police officer fatally shoots Vonderrick Myers in south St. Louis #1

[DebinGA]

Today's schedule of events: http://fergusonoctober.com/schedule/

 

[krimekat]

I've never heard "gangway" used apart from meaning "Out of my way!" It seems an odd choice, but I've never been a city dweller where "gangways" may exist.

MB, DJ, and now Myers all were enrolled in "virtual academies" and not in regular schools. Not sure what that indicates, but it indicates something informative about them imo.

I've been a City Dweller in Chicago & StL; I thought gangway means the area between two buildings where one could walk but not drive; in any case I'm over making words into something they just aren't :laugh:

IMHO virtual academies keep the kid in the education system without having them around other kids (I wonder why?) -- I'd never send my kid to a public school in StL, but honestly, those who can afford to send their kids to private schools in this area do because the education system around here just plain SUX

 

[LambChop]

:slap:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gangway

I'd be interested in what other definition the protestors think is the meaning of "gangway".

 

[fran]

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[DebinGA]

:slap:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gangway

I'd be interested in what other definition the protestors think is the meaning of "gangway".

"the opening by which a ship is boarded" ... Been a long time, but that's familiar to me too.

 

[TheDuchess]

I've been a City Dweller in Chicago & StL; I thought gangway means the area between two buildings where one could walk but not drive; in any case I'm over making words into something they just aren't :laugh:

IMHO virtual academies keep the kid in the education system without having them around other kids (I wonder why?) -- I'd never send my kid to a public school in StL, but honestly, those who can afford to send their kids to private schools in this area do because the education system around here just plain SUX

Suburban Chicago girl here who grew up in the whitest of white towns (Melrose Park.) All Italians at the time I grew up. We called the space between 2 houses or buildings a gangway and it had nothing to do with gangs. Also, in the trade show industry, the consruction crews use what is called a "gangbox" which is like a traveling toolbox and supply kit to keep all of their tools. Again - nothing to do with gangs or racism.

That said, the term gang really isn't racist either, when dealing with the typical form of street gangs, as the term gang can refer to any number of different organizations, which in and of themselves may cater to specific races or ethnicities. There are Russian, Italian, Columbian, Mexican, Irish, Chinese, and even White Supremecist "gangs" including Aryan Nation, in addition to the Bloods, Crips, Kings, Desciples, etc... How can using the term "gang" be considered racist?

This is typical reaching behavior for those who just wish to start or drive controversey.

 

[Jewels53]

Watch the Klan be the ones that actually went and got permits to protest.

I actually thought protester's had to have permits to assemble.

Or is that just not for peaceful one's. /sarcastic

 

[reedus23]

I've been a City Dweller in Chicago & StL; I thought gangway means the area between two buildings where one could walk but not drive; in any case I'm over making words into something they just aren't :laugh:

IMHO virtual academies keep the kid in the education system without having them around other kids (I wonder why?) -- I'd never send my kid to a public school in StL, but honestly, those who can afford to send their kids to private schools in this area do because the education system around here just plain SUX

In St. Louis City, I'd agree. Outside of that, there are some very good public school districts. You talk about Wildwood. Rockwood and Parkway out that direction are very good public school districts. There are definitely some bad ones, but there are also some very good ones.

 

[krimekat]

In St. Louis City, I'd agree. Outside of that, there are some very good public school districts. You talk about Wildwood. Rockwood and Parkway out that direction are very good public school districts. There are definitely some bad ones, but there are also some very good ones.

Yeah, the County has great school districts & some City kids attend those schools riding a bus for hours. But the system in the City SUX @$$ IMHO

 

[reedus23]

"the opening by which a ship is boarded" ... Been a long time, but that's familiar to me too.

When I heard "gangway" the first thing I thought of was the reservoir that is east of Grand at Shaw if you look on google maps. That place always creeped me out growing up. Not sure if the shooting was right at Shaw and Grand, but that's the first thing that I thought of. I think one account said something about the guy having run up a hill too and that reservoir sits atop a little bit of a hill IIRC and there are walkways around it as well.

 

[krimekat]

When I heard "gangway" the first thing I thought of was the reservoir that is east of Grand at Shaw if you look on google maps. That place always creeped me out growing up. Not sure if the shooting was right at Shaw and Grand, but that's the first thing that I thought of. I think one account said something about the guy having run up a hill too and that reservoir sits atop a little bit of a hill IIRC and there are walkways around it as well.

The moment unfolded in front of the Shaw Market, a few feet from where police say Vonderitt Myers Jr. fired at a St. Louis police officer, who returned fire and fatally shot him.

from the Post-Dispatch

Shaw Mkt is at 4200 Shaw Ave -- yeah, that reservoir is something else http://www.watertowerfoundation.org/home.asp

 

[reedus23]

Suburban Chicago girl here who grew up in the whitest of white towns (Melrose Park.) All Italians at the time I grew up. We called the space between 2 houses or buildings a gangway and it had nothing to do with gangs. Also, in the trade show industry, the consruction crews use what is called a "gangbox" which is like a traveling toolbox and supply kit to keep all of their tools. Again - nothing to do with gangs or racism.

That said, the term gang really isn't racist either, when dealing with the typical form of street gangs, as the term gang can refer to any number of different organizations, which in and of themselves may cater to specific races or ethnicities. There are Russian, Italian, Columbian, Mexican, Irish, Chinese, and even White Supremecist "gangs" including Aryan Nation, in addition to the Bloods, Crips, Kings, Desciples, etc... How can using the term "gang" be considered racist?

This is typical reaching behavior for those who just wish to start or drive controversey.

Last night, had the protesters continued walking down Gravois, they likely would have eventually run into a Bosnian gang and things might have gotten really ugly at that point. Hard to say though if they would have joined the protesters because of some's disdain for LE (an officer trying to get them to move from a softball field was told that they kill cops where they come from) or if they would have sided with LE for outsiders coming into their neighborhood.

 

[nothingnew]

Teenager shot by St. Louis police officer was awaiting trial on gun case



How does this guy know that Myers didn't all ready have the gun on him. Does he search all of his customers for weapons before making them a sandwich? GMAB.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/article_cc12182d-3405-5bc2-8817-9d4c5ab1ebb2.html#.VDfOdNZfDkg.twitter

Maybe he's being pro active because he doesn't want to lose business. The cops hands are tied as far as protecting themselves let alone protecting anyone in the community. Jmo

 

[popsicle]

Matt Pearce ‏@mattdpearce 2m2 minutes ago
Here's the probable-cause statement for Vonderrit Myers' previous arrest. Says he fled arrest and "retrieved" a gun.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzmdI3PCEAA9k-d.jpg

 

[DebinGA]

Prayer vigil outside Shaw Market today at 5, followed by prayer service at Compton Heights Christian Church 3 mi. away.

Shaw Market has been owned/operated for 20+ yrs. by a native of Eritrea [on the Red Sea, right of Sudan]. He seems to be very well-regarded in that community.

 

[Snick1946]

I maybe missed it but am wondering if anyone else has thought about the MLB playoffs with St Louis playing- and perhaps the world Series to follow. IMO all St Louis needs these days is for a lot of this unrest to take place during the playoffs, with all the world watching. There is plenty of blame on both sides here- but I cannot fathom Cardinal fans wearing their team's logos, taunting a group of demonstrators such as happened outside Busch stadium early this week, with racial slurs. I had been sort of favoring the Cards in the playoffs. The tepid response by their management to this incident has left me suspending my support for the duration.

 

[katydid23]

Teenager shot by St. Louis police officer was awaiting trial on gun case



How does this guy know that Myers didn't all ready have the gun on him. Does he search all of his customers for weapons before making them a sandwich? GMAB.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/article_cc12182d-3405-5bc2-8817-9d4c5ab1ebb2.html#.VDfOdNZfDkg.twitter

I think the store owner is afraid of being burned down, like the Ferguson store. So he needs to 'side' with the protestors for his own safety. jmo

 

[DebinGA]

Good news for MO college football fans anticipating tomorrow's pivotal SEC game at noon between the 4-1 MO Tigers and the 4-1 GA Bulldogs: Todd Gurley, UGA's premier player/Heisman contender, has been suspended indefinitely while NCAA investigates his possible "likeness/memorabilia" infractions.

 

[katydid23]

I thought the number had always been reported between 2,000 and 10,000 with 7,000 being the most common figure given. Regardless, I'll be pleasantly surprised if it's 700. But, to look at the positive...if 30,000 were to come in to town, they all have to eat somewhere. They all have to get gas somewhere. They all will drink somewhere. Keep spending those dollars in Missouri and help us pay for this stuff.

That would be nice. But sadly, they do not spend like tourists. They spend like "Occupy' visitors. They crash at local homes, and panhandle. At the 'organizers' website there are lots of posts about people being 'broke' and wanting to hitch rides to town, and asking for a place to 'crash.'

 

[krimekat]

Prayer vigil outside Shaw Market today at 5, followed by prayer service at Compton Heights Christian Church 3 mi. away.

Shaw Market has been owned/operated for 20+ yrs. by a native of Eritrea [on the Red Sea, right of Sudan]. He seems to be very well-regarded in that community.

oh, yeah -- I shop there 'cause they carry items I can't find unless I go out to the County :laugh: I also belong to a Yoga group & the studio is right on Grand next to the pharmacy that got its windows busted out SMH