MO - Police officer fatally shoots Vonderrick Myers in south St. Louis #2

[TorisMom003]

Well that's about as stupid as it can get. So a pedophile can get a job working in a school around children cause....no questions asked? just wow

Of course not. The applications are still going to be checked and anyone with a record that is of a serious nature will not be hired. It's all about placating them on the surface right now. But behind the scenes, those that are murderers, child abusers, etc will be tossed aside and not even considered for hiring.

MOO

 

[bettybaby00]

Under the constitution they can. Obviously, NYC can enact policies/procedures more restrictive on LE because they tend to protect 4th amendment rights, not violate them. But I'm curious how/why NYC would do this?

Why? cause they elected DiBlasio :banghead:

Can someone recap the gun residue report report? I can't open it.

 

[CHERIE.T]

So then the cop was shot 3 times, using Bella math?
Can't wait to hear this new evidence!

Bella math :hilarious:

 

[TheDuchess]

The ACLU does not say to document and comply "so you don't die". They (ACLU) have been out talking to the protesters telling them what they need to do and how they need to behave in order to document things for their "cause". Unfortunately the protesters can't seem to keep themselves in line and actually document anything that is useable. How many people in Ferguson have been pulled over, arrested for whatever reason, dealt with LE that have NOT been shot or died? That answer should alert the protesters that their chants of police killing them is pointless. LE has shown great restraint during all of this. The protesters have not.

MOO

They are growing very frustrated because they can't seem to get a rise out of ANY of these officers no matter what they do! How annoying that must be when you can spit at, hurl insults, swear at, threaten and do everything in your power to get some kind of documentable reaction from the police. It's so difficult to do, that some of them are forced to commit an actual crime in order to get their attention. And even then, they are typically just arrested, cuffed and brought to jail. Or they must resort to just flat out lying or simply making up stories.

The fact of the matter is that if you don't commit a crime, the liklihood of being beaten by a police officer is relatively non-existant. If you are accused of a crime, don't resist, don't smacktalk, and don't assualt or shoot at the officer and guess what...you're gonna be fine!

 

[popsicle]

The ACLU does not say to document and comply "so you don't die". They (ACLU) have been out talking to the protesters telling them what they need to do and how they need to behave in order to document things for their "cause". Unfortunately the protesters can't seem to keep themselves in line and actually document anything that is useable. How many people in Ferguson have been pulled over, arrested for whatever reason, dealt with LE that have NOT been shot or died? That answer should alert the protesters that their chants of police killing them is pointless. LE has shown great restraint during all of this. The protesters have not.

MOO

That's a new chant! Document and comply, so you don't die! :lol:

 

[TorisMom003]

That's a new chant! Document and comply, so you don't die! :lol:

Send it to them. It's better than hearing the same old tired ones they keep using!

 

[DebinGA]

Why? cause they elected DiBlasio :banghead:

Can someone recap the gun residue report report? I can't open it.

KSDK: "The tests confirm gunshot residue on Myers' hand, the inner waistband of his jeans, and on his t-shirt. Investigators say the presence of gunshot residue on a person's hands could mean that individual fired a gun, was near a gun when it was fired, or touched an object with gunshot residue on it. Also, people who are shot at close range can have gunshot residue on their person."

 

[CHERIE.T]

aaaaand the teen ran because>>>>>>>>>>>>
he wore an in-house arrest ankle bracelet and he
had a gun.
and LE had every right to ask him to stop or to follow him.

 

[branwynbreeze]

That's a new chant! Document and comply, so you don't die! :lol:

OMG, that is a good one!

Anyone know how long officer was patrolling that area for security company? If he had been doing it for some time he'd get to know locals-who to watch who to wave at.

 

[DebinGA]

It's interesting that Chief Dotson is releasing so much info re VM, while Chief Belmar kept the tox/ballistics/injury reports of MB/DW sealed tight.

 

[TorisMom003]

It's interesting that Chief Dotson is releasing so much info re VM, while Chief Belmar is keeping the tox/ballistics/injury reports of MB/DW sealed tight.

Actually it makes a lot of sense. The MB thing is in the hands of the Grand Jury. There is no need to release information until they decide what needs to be done. The VM thing has caused a lot of anger/tension because of the extension that some feel that it has with the MB shooting. The best thing to do right now, to hopefully calm things down some (which by the way does not appear to be working), is to release the information to the public so that they have a chance to see the evidence along side of the rumors.

MOO

 

[krimekat]

It's interesting that Chief Dotson is releasing so much info re VM, while Chief Belmar kept the tox/ballistics/injury reports of MB/DW sealed tight.

2 different jurisdictions - 2 very different cases IMHO

 

[CHERIE.T]

That's a new chant! Document and comply, so you don't die! :lol:

:cheer::lol::silly:

 

[al66pine]

....
First, hindsight doesn't matter. What articulable, particularized facts did the officer see related specifically to VM that gave him a reasonable suspicion that a crime was or was going to be committed? Did he see the ankle monitor and if so did he know what the terms of it's use were? Doubtful unless he was familiar with not only VM but VM's case. Did he see the gun before initiating the stop? Haven't heard that. They looked suspicious is NOT enough....

sbm bbm

IDK for sure. Like you, I wonder what LEO saw.
IOW, even if Vonderrit's monitor & gun were 'concealed' & not noticeable to us civ's, maybe alert an LEO could detect one or both.

Is it poss LEO saw --
--gun 'print' (bulge, shadow) underneath Vonderrit's shirt, at waistband or pocket, however it was carried?
--ankle 'print' (bulge, shadow) underneath Vonderrit's pants, down toward hem?

Assuming this LEO saw either monitor or gun or both, is that sufficient cause to stop?

Is it necessary for LEO to know exact terms of monitor use to have reason of violation of terms?
Does seeing 'print' of gun (or gunlike shape) under clothing give LEO cause to ask to see CCW permit?

Just wondering. Anyone?

ETA: I see some of this was discussed after reedus23" post, but looks like no definitive answers.

 

[krimekat]

sbm bbm

IDK for sure. Like you, I wonder what LEO saw.
IOW, even if Vonderrit's monitor & gun were 'concealed' & not noticeable to us civ's, maybe alert an LEO could detect one or both.

Is it poss LEO saw --
--gun 'print' (bulge, shadow) underneath Vonderrit's shirt, at waistband or pocket, however it was carried?
--ankle 'print' (bulge, shadow) underneath Vonderrit's pants, down toward hem?

Assuming this LEO saw either monitor or gun or both, is that sufficient cause to stop?

Is it necessary for LEO to know exact terms of monitor use to have reason of violation of terms?
Does seeing 'print' of gun (or gunlike shape) under clothing give LEO cause to ask to see CCW permit?

Just wondering. Anyone?

IMHO an 18 yo felon would not meet the CCW laws of MO -- don't think for 1 minute LE didn't know who these IMHO kids (maybe someone else's opinion) were & where they lived & what they did

 

[Dana]

Ya know, I'm in the StL area and am really embarrassed to say I live here. All these activists, communists, thugs, gangs all antagonizing, bullying and holding a city hostage for their own agendas. I wish the peaceful protesters would separate themselves from these people. Hey, I'm all for a movement and protesting if it's for a cause they truly believe in. But the lies and propaganda is draw dropping. Many of these protesters know or rather seen/heard the facts and refuse to believe a word of it. However, they will believe street rumors. No video, autopsy, paperwork, gun residue or hard cold fact will change their minds and that's so very sad.

Let's pick Bella for a perfect example of truth vs rumor since she's such a great journalist (ugh). Watching her on livestream getting pulled over by LE with her perfect Eddie Haskel sweetness and then to the viewers, after the fact, making up all those wild accusations of what LE did and said to her was incredible. LE was nothing but polite to her - lots of us saw it and heard it. Truly a person with an agenda. Making up nonsense and accusations just floors me. Stick to the movement without all the lying.

As far as THEIR civil rights? What about the businesses and citizens civil rights THEY (protesters) are taking away without a thought. This whole fiasco in StL is nothing but hypocrisy at it's finest. And, anyone with a list of DEMANDS OR ELSE is nothing short of a terrorist. Or else what? The city gets torched? People will pay? Businesses will be ruined? Where is this 'peaceful' in peaceful protesting? I still think it boils down to wanting no laws, no rules. Our city. I guess we should give it to them and move so they can have their own city? I would laugh if it wasn't so tragic that black lives matter, LE should stop killing their kids! OMG! Stop killing your own!

 

[krimekat]

They are discussing using Kinloch park for the tent area or a dorm room at SLU.

wow - Kinloch :laugh: now there's a nice 'hood

 

[tlcya]

is there further information about who exactly the officer was working for as security? As in what entity he was patrolling for? If a private company or if for the housing authority? Because I would think it would matter, at least to me, as to whether the officer was justified based upon seeing the young men out walking at night with further investigating or looking to see what their business was.

For instance, if hired by the neighborhood housing authority or some other governmental agency they have a right to govern their occupants and lay down certain rules, such as no one living there not on lease, no one living there who is convicted felon, no loitering in or on teh street after [insert time here], no loud music, no parties etc etc etc.

Who was he patrolling on behalf of, what rules was he enforcing and did he have a right to be looking over these kids if he was unaware of gun or anklet? How can anyone know without that info whether he was being over vigilant or "profiling" or had a right to be suspicious of the young men who apparently ran when they saw him seeing them?

 

[krimekat]

Still NO admitting that MB stole, ignored and attacked a LEO.
There blindness is astounding.

wait for the GJ decision -- it's coming

we already know the truth IMHO

 

[CHERIE.T]

wait for the GJ decision -- it's coming

we already know the truth IMHO

I know...still don't believe the protesters will accept the truth.