MO MO - Sharon Hurley, 24, St Louis, 24 Feb 1981

[dsntslp]

I would definitely be looking at any prostitution arrests that may have been televised, stings etc.. Big busts before she died...? The 'roundup' type stuff that the press loves to put out there. If she is actually in any of those herself there may be other 'interesting' people as well. Were names released? If not, I would request any prostitution arrest records for the same time frame from the same general area. They seem to think a female was involved, IMO,IMO, IMO.

Grasping? Why, yes. But why not? What is there to lose?

Bondsmen and Bond Co's can be a wealth of info!

 

[Justice4Sharon]

I was thinking fingernails in neck wow yea it was a girl.....

But then why would another woman burn another woman there? Jealousy?.....

And then this best friend/boyfriend is kinda funny because it can be transformed to wife in law/pimp ..... So hmmmmmmmmm

 

[dsntslp]

I wonder if the hospital you were born in kept guest/visitor logs?
Those would be names only 6 mos prior to her passing.

Wonder if that is a HIPPA thing? We didn't have HIPPA then and you are her next of kin...hmmmm
I would ask in writing, no computers back then. They would have to really 'dig' for that.
It would take a really persuasive letter.
I don't think a phone call would cut it.


Thoughts guys?


I am just brainstorming aloud, please forgive me.
It's a habit to throw it all out there, cross things off and then plan.

 

[dsntslp]

I was thinking fingernails in neck wow yea it was a girl.....

But then why would another woman burn another woman there? Jealousy?.....

And then this best friend/boyfriend is kinda funny because it can be transformed to wife in law/pimp ..... So hmmmmmmmmm

Speculation:

A woman - so she could not compete ($)

A male - so she could not work for anybody else ($).
Maybe she tried to leave/get out?

Both - would have made it personal and that act in and of itself made it personal. IMO

To me, I would think a male act but I am no profiler, for sure.
It would be interesting to have one weigh in or search and find relevance online.

G'night (again, lol)
5 am comes early, ugh.

 

[Justice4Sharon]

It wont hurt Ill try first a call thats what the hope house guy told me in order to get my vital records of birth mother and adoption hearing that usually lasts 8months he told me in MO that i have to write the court for that long ago and hope and wait

they do not answer phone calls on these

GREAT its filed under things to do....

 

[Justice4Sharon]

Speculation:

A woman - so she could not compete ($)

A male - so she could not work for anybody else ($).

Thats what Papa claimed

 

[itsreenw]

LOL no holding back now... I became a open book ....

I was like 15 and I had this beautiful poliard of my mother I managed to steal when I was 8 I held on to this pic so hard I wore it down lol I came home 1 day and my adoptive mother found it and took it got all upset like this is mine....

Tell me.there is apic I have been waiting to long for a reminder of her beauty before I get the autopsy pics I am sorry its hard to see through my tears....

J4S, ( I will call your bio mom "Sharon" and your adoptive mom "Mom" so it doesn't confuse people).

Were there any pictures displayed of Sharon at your grandparents house or any relatives' homes? We can check on Classmates to see if any of Sharon's old schoolmates have pics of her from her teen years.

Did your mom ever talk about her relationship with Sharon when they were growing up. I'm just trying to grasp why she wouldn't want you to have a picture of Sharon. For her to find you years later and adopt you gives me the feeling that she loved her sister and wanted to make sure you were with family.

Do you know if there was a guest book at her funeral and if so, who might have kept it? That might give us some good leads.

I'm looking for a good newspaper archive site to join so I can search for more info for you.

 

[Kat]

It looks like you and the other posters here are making headway J4S. (whispers to J4S ~ I told you they were amazing!)

You have become your mother's voice J4S. You are her advocate. You are probably the only voice speaking for her now.

When I had to dig, I made sure to always be extremely polite and sweet (even if I really didn't feel like it and trust me I didn't!) when dealing with other people that I thought had information that I needed.

Kill them with kindness and never ever give up. Even if they slam the phone down or curse you out! Or even act like they could care less.

I just kept calling, calling, writing, writing, etc. Eventually you will find that they will usually give up and just help you even if it's just to shut you up or get rid of you

Take care J4C!

(Good job sleuths I'm impressed )

 

[itsreenw]

J4S, quick question...the obit for your Papa said your Grandma's name was Dorothy but the article and death cert list her as Helen.

Is there a Dorothy in the family or was that an error? (trying to find your original birth certificate for you and they are listed with the Mother's maiden name). So first, i am looking for Sharon's. Then I can follow the generation chain to you.

 

[itsreenw]

I was thinking fingernails in neck wow yea it was a girl.....

But then why would another woman burn another woman there? Jealousy?.....

And then this best friend/boyfriend is kinda funny because it can be transformed to wife in law/pimp ..... So hmmmmmmmmm

I thought the same thing but didn't want to say it. I wonder if you were 'taken' by child services or if a boyfriend/pimp forced her to give you up.

I've heard Child Services usually tries to contact the family for placement before sending a child to foster care or an orphanage. I could be wrong.

I'm just wondering if you were taken by Social Services why your grandparents weren't contacted first. The family obviously wanted to raise you. They found you after 3 yrs. BTW, I think that's so awesome!!

I'm also curious to know who gave the pic of Stan to your Papa. Nobody in your family will talk about any of this? Uncles, aunts, anyone?? I hurt for you.

 

[itsreenw]

Anyone here today??

 

[Laura_Bean]

I have a few questions, I am not trying to be offensive with any of them but I have some questions I need to ask.

Were your mom and dad Married?
How was their marriage?
Is your dad an easy going man, or does he have a temper?
Have you spoken to anyone who worked at the diner where your mother worked?
Where did she work?
What was the name of the diner, where was it located, is it still standing, in operation, who owns it, is it the same owner?
Is it possible your mother never worked there and was getting $ some other way? I hate to ask, but you are telling us that someone was killing prostitutes, so I feel I have to ask.
Are you your mother's only child, were there older children?
Is it possible, that your mother was having an affair?
How old was your mother when she died?
What color hair/eyes did she have?
Height/Weight? Dont need exact, you could say thin/heavy/medium build, tall/short/medium height?
Can you talk with family members like your dad/her mom/etc? If so can you ask them, did she seem nervous going to work or coming home? Did she ever mention someone hitting on her, someone stalking her, someone following her? Someone flirting with her, or sitting in her section all the time? Maybe someone was asking for a table where she would be serving everytime they came on? Maybe she mentioned someone who consistently tipped her a LOT, or someone handing her little gifts or something? Even if it was something SHE seemed totally unconcerned with it could be a help. A guy maybe was giviing her huge tips and she was like "Yeah he is always so nice to me and gives me big tips", but the he could have been someone who was obsessed with her. Or an old man who always joked around about them running away together. Anything is a place to start.
I think step 1 is to find out about the other waitresses who worked with your mother. So that means we have to go back and look at the place she was working. Find out if the owner and other waitresses who worked during the years your mom worked are still alive and willing to speak with us. If you want to PM me, go ahead. I never ever have asked for a dime, but I try to help where I can. G/L.

 

[itsreenw]

I have a few questions, I am not trying to be offensive with any of them but I have some questions I need to ask.

Were your mom and dad Married?
How was their marriage?
Is your dad an easy going man, or does he have a temper?
Have you spoken to anyone who worked at the diner where your mother worked?
Where did she work?
What was the name of the diner, where was it located, is it still standing, in operation, who owns it, is it the same owner?
Is it possible your mother never worked there and was getting $ some other way? I hate to ask, but you are telling us that someone was killing prostitutes, so I feel I have to ask.
Are you your mother's only child, were there older children?
Is it possible, that your mother was having an affair?
How old was your mother when she died?
What color hair/eyes did she have?
Height/Weight? Dont need exact, you could say thin/heavy/medium build, tall/short/medium height?
Can you talk with family members like your dad/her mom/etc? If so can you ask them, did she seem nervous going to work or coming home? Did she ever mention someone hitting on her, someone stalking her, someone following her? Someone flirting with her, or sitting in her section all the time? Maybe someone was asking for a table where she would be serving everytime they came on? Maybe she mentioned someone who consistently tipped her a LOT, or someone handing her little gifts or something? Even if it was something SHE seemed totally unconcerned with it could be a help. A guy maybe was giviing her huge tips and she was like "Yeah he is always so nice to me and gives me big tips", but the he could have been someone who was obsessed with her. Or an old man who always joked around about them running away together. Anything is a place to start.
I think step 1 is to find out about the other waitresses who worked with your mother. So that means we have to go back and look at the place she was working. Find out if the owner and other waitresses who worked during the years your mom worked are still alive and willing to speak with us. If you want to PM me, go ahead. I never ever have asked for a dime, but I try to help where I can. G/L.

These links contain a lot of answers to your questions...
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20120404144402 death cert WS.pdf (473.7 KB, 51 views)
http://www.angelfire.com/ct3/unsolvedct/murders.html

Posts 124 and 136 have some valuable info, too.

Since J4S is not here tonight, I'll try to sum it up for you. J4S is the daughter of Sharon Hurley. J4S was taken from Sharon when she was 6 months old. It is unclear if she was taken by child services but at some point she was taken to an orphanage.

J4S doesn't know her bio dad. The death certificate shows Sharon was never married.

Sharon, who was allegedly working as a prostitute, was tortured and murdered in 1981. The murder was broadcasted on the news. Sharon's boyfriend. along with her best friend, also a prostitute, went to I.D. the body.


An article about the murder said Sharon had been threatened by another prostitute in the days before her murder.

The article quoted Sharon's father as saying he hadn't talked to Sharon in 2 yrs. The article said Sharon was survived by her father, John T. Hurley, her mother Helen (Beamish) preceded her in death. She had a brother James and sister, Brenda. It doesn't mention a child.

J4S said when she was 3 yrs old, the Hurley family located her at the orphanage and Sharon's sister adopted her. It is not clear why the Hurleys were not forthcoming with J4S by giving her photos or info about Sharon.

We have posted questions for J4S and are waiting for her to log on and answer them. Hopefully she is busy contacting LE today to get this case kicked in gear again. Maybe there is DNA in the evidence that can be tested.

Surely someone committing a heinous murder like that has broken the law in the years since. Maybe there will be a match on file now.

 

[dsntslp]

Question for a local:

If...just if (LOL)...I were going to send flowers and chocolates, which local florist would be best?

TIA

 

[itsreenw]

Question for a local:

If...just if (LOL)...I were going to send flowers and chocolates, which local florist would be best?

TIA

Dsntslp, how did you know it was my birthday?? :blushing:

 

[Laura_Bean]

Ok since she was not a "waitress", I think we need to talk to other employees. We need to find the prostitute who identified your mother's body. I bet she knows a LOT, if she is still alive.

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

Question for a local:

If...just if (LOL)...I were going to send flowers and chocolates, which local florist would be best?

TIA

Tough one. Where at? On the East Side, I would go with Grimm and Gorley in Belleville. Do you have my address? LOL

 

[itsreenw]

Ok since she was not a "waitress", I think we need to talk to other employees. We need to find the prostitute who identified your mother's body. I bet she knows a LOT, if she is still alive.

There is conflicting info so I'm not sure what the employment history/timeline was. One death certificate listed her as a student. Another document said 'waitress at a chicken restaurant' and of course the articles say she was a prostitute. I do agree however, that the people that ID'd her have a lot of info.

J4S, have you tried to get a copy of the police report? Is the detective from the case still working or is he retired? If she was scratched, hopefully there is DNA in the evidence. if you need us to help you make calls, etc...just let us know.

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

I think the detective is retired, but, not sure.

I am going to the library tomorrow (raining again today, what is it with rainy Fridays, LOL, although if it leaves the weekends nice I guess all is okay) and see what I can find about arrests and what happened. In the first article it does sound like they had a lead on the threat, and the finger nail gashes on her neck sound like a female was involved. As soon as I know will post!

 

[itsreenw]

Well fellow WSers, off to a day of pampering with my sis. My gosh 45 sure came quick. I was just 21. LOL. I get to be queen for the day :goldcrown: See ya back here this evening.