MO - Sherrill Levitt, 47, Suzie Streeter, 19, & Stacy McCall, 18, Springfield, 7 June 1992 #11

[Woofbark]

It could be someone who never made it on their radar. The pictures could help with a timeline of where they were but if the perpetrator/s blended in, like they were supposed to be there that wouldn't prove guilt. Unlike today where people take pictures constantly and post them online, in the 90's and even early 2000's you had to have a camera to take pictures or decent ones. Carrying around a camera takes up room in your purse, if you are going to be drinking or putting down your purse you risk breaking it or getting it stolen. You have to remember to take pictures which if you are having fun you might be too busy to. Now there would be photos and videos from every angle and a location and timestamp.

Good points. You've made me wonder if either of the girls owned a camera. If so, what became of it? Of known photos, perhaps there's someone photographed that won't be mentioned in any guest list.

 

[SAMS]

I too think that going back through witness statements with fresh eyes is needed. Certainly can’t hurt at this point. It’s been known to solve cases after many years of growing cold.
Let’s say the 3 women being in George’s was the night before or a mixture of both nights. Who were these strange men? Seems odd that the waitress would recall that they weren’t regulars, if they were. If this is true were they in town for graduation and were flirting with the women, then saw the girls again grad night at a party?
I still can’t shake that someone (or more than one) followed the girls home from the party, someone that was pestering Suzie enough to “feel sick” and ready to go. I think that the targets were Suzie and Stacy. Of course just a theory.
The broken light casing throws me off. Did the perp(s) break it to get someone to come outside to see who’s there? Or did one of the women break it during a struggle on the way out? Wondering now if LE found a rock or something in the porch vicinity that could’ve been thrown from a distance in my first scenario.
This case is one of the most bizarre if not THE most bizarre I’ve followed. MOO BBM

 

[cherrymeg]

Good points. You've made me wonder if either of the girls owned a camera. If so, what became of it? Of known photos, perhaps there's someone photographed that won't be mentioned in any guest list.

I too think that going back through witness statements with fresh eyes is needed. Certainly can’t hurt at this point. It’s been known to solve cases after many years of growing cold.
Let’s say the 3 women being in George’s was the night before or a mixture of both nights. Who were these strange men? Seems odd that the waitress would recall that they weren’t regulars, if they were. If this is true were they in town for graduation and were flirting with the women, then saw the girls again grad night at a party?
I still can’t shake that someone (or more than one) followed the girls home from the party, someone that was pestering Suzie enough to “feel sick” and ready to go. I think that the targets were Suzie and Stacy. Of course just a theory.
The broken light casing throws me off. Did the perp(s) break it to get someone to come outside to see who’s there? Or did one of the women break it during a struggle on the way out? Wondering now if LE found a rock or something in the porch vicinity that could’ve been thrown from a distance in my first scenario.
This case is one of the most bizarre if not THE most bizarre I’ve followed. MOO BBM

Janelle or mike could have broken the light cover while entering and mentioned it because they felt stupid and then when Suzie, Stacy and Sherrill didn't come home at all it was too late to be like opps. IDK
I think Suzie and Stacy were the targets. I wonder if Suzie had a bad feeling about a guy or guys and she is asking to stay at places to avoid leading anyone back to her house where it's more isolated and it's just her mom at home. Stacy is often thought of as a person in the wrong place at the wrong time. I wonder if she might have been hanging around guys her mom didn't know about and been closer to Suzie. Suzie had been on her own lived with her brother and she left when she didn't like his behavior. Stacy might have been more naive possibly. Something scared Suzie and for some reason Stacy went to her house when they both had cars. Was someone following them around maybe Stacy thought Suzie's house would give her some breathing room. She could meet up with another person. This is just a thought.

 

[SAMS]

Janelle or mike could have broken the light cover while entering and mentioned it because they felt stupid and then when Suzie, Stacy and Sherrill didn't come home at all it was too late to be like opps. IDK
I think Suzie and Stacy were the targets. I wonder if Suzie had a bad feeling about a guy or guys and she is asking to stay at places to avoid leading anyone back to her house where it's more isolated and it's just her mom at home. Stacy is often thought of as a person in the wrong place at the wrong time. I wonder if she might have been hanging around guys her mom didn't know about and been closer to Suzie. Suzie had been on her own lived with her brother and she left when she didn't like his behavior. Stacy might have been more naive possibly. Something scared Suzie and for some reason Stacy went to her house when they both had cars. Was someone following them around maybe Stacy thought Suzie's house would give her some breathing room. She could meet up with another person. This is just a thought.

I have often thought that Stacy was not at the wrong place- wrong time but the actual target. It’s possible.
It was said that Stacy turned down partying with her usual friends on grad night and hung with Suzie instead. Odd. Me personally I would want to kick it with my besties on the biggest night of my young life, but I would definitely pass over them to hang with Suzie after the parties to have more freedom. Makes sense. MOO EBM

 

[OzarksTrailBlazer]

I’m not interested in “let’s say this....” “what if this”

We’ve done this for 27 years.

There’s enough evidence but you are all ignoring it for some reason.

A detective took a man to a hotel to discuss this case. The grave robbers were more than just Mike. (Who gets a pass here for reasons I’ll never understand). Much is made about “that other girl” comment while nothing is made of “hoping those were dead”

Cops say Joe Riedel was in town during the disappearance and no one seems interested in getting to the bottom of it. George’s was discounted by the cops and FBI so why is the forum even wasting time with it? Do we want to solve it or run wild with theories? Just curious... (sorry if this is insensitive, not meant to be)

 

[Catmommy]

Suzie stopped living with her brother after he and she had a physical altercation.

 

[cherrymeg]

I’m not interested in “let’s say this....” “what if this”

We’ve done this for 27 years.

There’s enough evidence but you are all ignoring it for some reason.

A detective took a man to a hotel to discuss this case. The grave robbers were more than just Mike. (Who gets a pass here for reasons I’ll never understand). Much is made about “that other girl” comment while nothing is made of “hoping those were dead”

Cops say Joe Riedel was in town during the disappearance and no one seems interested in getting to the bottom of it. George’s was discounted by the cops and FBI so why is the forum even wasting time with it? Do we want to solve it or run wild with theories? Just curious... (sorry if this is insensitive, not meant to be)

The cops and the FBI haven't solved the case yet. Mike Clay and Dusty where I believe ruled out. They were considered suspects or people of interest and it never went anywhere. People still question if they did it. They couldn't get away with robbing a grave. They were stupid a-hole teenagers. Joe Riedel is more mysterious and also testified against them possibly. The pawn shop owner or worker alerted the police.
Maybe someone remembers something or is willing to look at that night differently. Why do other theories bother you? Keeping the case alive and people thinking about it is important. We aren't the police so we aren't wasting anything but our own if we are wrong.

 

[cherrymeg]

I have often thought that Stacy was not at the wrong place- wrong time but the actual target. It’s possible.
It was said that Stacy turned down partying with her usual friends on grad night and hung with Suzie instead. Odd. Me personally I would want to kick it with my besties on the biggest night of my young life, but I would definitely pass over them to hang with Suzie after the parties to have more freedom. Makes sense. MOO EBM

Maybe through Suzie or with Suzie Stacy met a guy. Suzie lived with her brother, she had a single mom who worked hard and seemed to give her a certain amount of freedom. She might have dated a so called 'bad boy" but she didn't seem to be influenced by him or his crowd. I think Mike Clay said several times she didn't party or she barely did. Was Stacy more familiar with the people that knew Suzie, Dusty, Mike someone that they might have met in passing maybe barely noticed. Or Bartt and people around him. Suzie and Stacy might have been closer friends. I suspect they were maybe. Someone at a party could have noticed them and followed them.

I think Suzie might have been trying to avoid someone that made her feel uncomfortable, but not enough to scream "Leave me alone". Maybe it was a parent, a relative, authority figure, someone she didn't want to insult incase her instinct was wrong. There are people that make you uncomfortable but don't touch you or straight up threaten you and admitting you are scared makes you seem foolish and weak if you are wrong. I don't think Suzie was afraid to go home I think she was trying to avoid bringing someone there. That could have been a creeper, it could have been Stacy if she thought that might involve someone meeting her there that she didn't trust. I'm not trying to trash Stacy, I don't think she should be left out of the investigation.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

I was wondering if anyone knew the address for the house parties that took place June 7 1992 at around 2am before the girls left,as well as any names of people who attended..

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Janelle Kirby lived on a S.Butterfield place and I read the party took place at one of janelle’s neighbor’s house on W.Coach rd..
Any info on this matter would be greatly appreciated..

It was just down the road to the west about a little less than 2-miles. The address however, checks back on Google Maps as a vacant lot. Looks like it used to may be be a place where a house used to be, or a mobile home, and now its grown up. It's hard to tell. But I'm fairly sure that the address that used to be "That Address" is an empty lot now. So I don't know.
I found this to be strange, when I realized it.
Does anyone have any input on this issue?

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

It also calls into question, why did they "Walk back from Joy's party, almost 2-miles to Janelles, in the middle of the night to get their cars, instead of SA driving them back. He stated that he watched them walk to their cars, and that was the last time he ever saw them. And then Janelle went back into her house. So what, did SA just turn around and walk back almost 2-miles to his Jeep alone in the dark
This makes no sense, and never has. It also doesn't make any sense why one of the girls would just leave and not give him a ride back to his car. He wasn't hanging out with JK at that time.....she went into the house. Again, the story makes no sense.

 

[cherrymeg]

It also calls into question, why did they "Walk back from Joy's party, almost 2-miles to Janelles, in the middle of the night, instead of SA driving them back. He stated that he watched them walk to their cars, and that was the last time he ever saw them. And then Janelle went back into her house. So what, did SA just turn around and walk back almost 2-miles to his Jeep alone in the dark
This makes no sense, and never has. It also doesn't make any sense why one of the girls would just leave and not give him a ride back to his car. He wasn't hanging out with JK at that time.....she went into the house. Again, the story makes no sense.

I thought they might have been parked in a parking lot. I have to reread old threads. That night seems off (besides three people disappearing). It could be because of drinking. SA could have been trying to sober up. That could have been the point of the walk. I think everyone driving their own cars around after being at parties is odd. It was 1992 drunk driving was a thing.

 

[OzarksTrailBlazer]

Only one suspect said “I hope those are dead” let’s not forget.

DA Moore and several other cops who investigated this case have not ruled them out. Current lead investigator has not ruled out the grave robbers. There were three grave robbers.

Not just Mike and Dusty. There was Joe too.

Instead of speculating, we should look at the actual POIs that weren’t cleared by all the police.

 

[cherrymeg]

Only one suspect said “I hope those are dead” let’s not forget.

DA Moore and several other cops who investigated this case have not ruled them out. Current lead investigator has not ruled out the grave robbers. There were three grave robbers.

Not just Mike and Dusty. There was Joe too.

Instead of speculating, we should look at the actual POIs that weren’t cleared by all the police.

So you think Mike Clay killed them? And is he a POI or just not ruled out? There is a difference. Hopefully the police have gone over their suspects and anyone officially a person of interest. Do you want all theories but the kids that got high in a graveyard and tried to pawn teeth with fillings, shut down. Mike, Dusty and Joe are three separate people. Getting high and doing something dumb doesn't mean that person is your best friend.
I saw the one interview with Mike Clay he seemed like a kid who was mouthing off to cops and had no clue his words could haunt him for 25 years. What do you think people on this site should do?

 

[Woofbark]

There’s so much information about the case of the Springfield Three,that it’s hard to know what’s true and what isn’t.
As websleuths ,we never get the full details of a case, and hard work and avid research needs to be done to uncover even the smallest of details, but none the less are part of a bigger puzzle piece.

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I’m always hearing theories on the porch light,now I do believe it’s a clue,however I would direct my attention to the far left of the front of the house, a window is open that leads to sherill’s bedroom and the screen for the window is propped up against the wall of the house...possibly the entry point?

Another thing I’d like to point out and not trying to point any fingers, is that it seems to me that janelle and her boyfriend Michael control almost the entire narrative of this case..
From where they were that night to the time they left.their are some conflicting reports about what time janelle called suzie’s Home.
Some say 8:00am others say 7:30 am while a video documentary has her saying she got up around 9:00am...she has suzie’s phone number, their planning on going to a water park together, so although janelle has a closer bond to Stacy McCall it would be safe to say that janelle and suzie were cool with each other.

Reports say that even janelle’s mother already had a place set for them to stay the night...
So why does janelle refer to Susie streeter as the other girl in this YouTube video?

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2:01 minutes in..seems strange..
Not mention she and her bf were the first on the seen,she’d never been there, BF sweeps evidence away, janelle knocks, no one answers so she goes in? Yells out their names and assumed that maybe they went out for breakfast or something like that, and yet all three of their cars are sitting in the driveway..
And just before leaving she gets two obscene calls... IDK it sounds a little suspect...

Then they leave come back hours later their still not there and yet the police are not notified...

That's interesting about that screen. I had never heard about this before. Someone on here had also mentioned that they didn't believe the cars were parked in their usual spots. possibly because another car was parked there. That would mean someone was already there before the girls drove there.

 

[Catmommy]

I found on one site when reading, that pictures were removed from picture frames. I can't validate that or which ones but that is a very interesting fact if true. It speaks to me of a very personal link.

I'll also point out that just because LE hasn't made an arrest does not mean that they don't know who is responsible. It just means that, as of yet, they don't have enough "proof" to bring charges.

 

[Woofbark]

I found on one site when reading, that pictures were removed from picture frames. I can't validate that or which ones but that is a very interesting fact if true. It speaks to me of a very personal link.

I'll also point out that just because LE hasn't made an arrest does not mean that they don't know who is responsible. It just means that, as of yet, they don't have enough "proof" to bring charges.

The photos being removed is very strange. Any thoughts on that?

 

[cherrymeg]

The photos being removed is very strange. Any thoughts on that?

I remember hearing that. Did it come from the early interview? It wasn't people looking for pictures for missing posters?

 

[k-mac]

It could be someone who never made it on their radar. The pictures could help with a timeline of where they were but if the perpetrator/s blended in, like they were supposed to be there that wouldn't prove guilt. Unlike today where people take pictures constantly and post them online, in the 90's and even early 2000's you had to have a camera to take pictures or decent ones. Carrying around a camera takes up room in your purse, if you are going to be drinking or putting down your purse you risk breaking it or getting it stolen. You have to remember to take pictures which if you are having fun you might be too busy to. Now there would be photos and videos from every angle and a location and timestamp.

so true cherrymeg
I am the same age as suz and stace and at that time we missed so many great memories because it was still not an everyday thing in the early 90s to have a camera handy!!!
I'm sure there would be some but in todays times that grad night would have been so well captured we likely wouldn't have this thread.

moo

 

[Woofbark]

I remember hearing that. Did it come from the early interview? It wasn't people looking for pictures for missing posters?

I've never heard this before. Would the culprits have any reason to take the photos? I've heard of divorced people removing photos of their ex spouse but this time isn't the case.

 

[Catmommy]

I remember hearing that. Did it come from the early interview? It wasn't people looking for pictures for missing posters?

Again, I've tried to find other references to that and I haven't but I believe you're correct. I can't believe that was a souvenir as some have suggested.