MO - Sherrill Levitt, 47, Suzie Streeter, 19, & Stacy McCall, 18, Springfield, 7 June 1992 #11

[OzarksTrailBlazer]

Can you try and be open minded? Talk about your theories. People will listen.

I have my theory from 10+ years investigating this.

I think grave robbers were the link from a criminal network to the women. And I think Suzie's testimony was problematic because of what might come up in court. And that led to this being planned. I think abduction was the plan and murder came into play when Stacy showed up and her silence was only guaranteed by murder. That's my theory, the condensed version.

 

[cherrymeg]

And we're to trust Mike's word....why?

You aren't the least bit suspicious of him being on here? When DAs and cops haven't cleared him...

I'm not. They haven't cleared most people. You have a right to your thoughts.

 

[OzarksTrailBlazer]

Only one person was ever sought after for serious information with a serious lead in this case after late 1992. And that was Steve Garrison. With a known connection to the women via Clay and Recla.

Recla had knowledge of the Delmar house. Very few others did.

Joe broke into houses and frequently robbed from them (Mike's own words here). He was no stranger to breaking into homes. Joe's idea to mess with the dead also. Early signs of a psychopath.

Things to consider...

 

[cherrymeg]

Only one person was ever sought after for serious information with a serious lead in this case after late 1992. And that was Steve Garrison. With a known connection to the women via Clay and Recla.

Recla had knowledge of the Delmar house. Very few others did.

Joe broke into houses and frequently robbed from them (Mike's own words here). He was no stranger to breaking into homes. Joe's idea to mess with the dead also. Early signs of a psychopath.

Things to consider...

People seemed very comfy in the house when Janis got there despite them not living there very long. I think some people were familiar with it. I don't know if it was a certain build that would be standard like some houses are. Garrison or other creepers could have been on the fringe of people Suzie and Stacy hung out with. Garrison could have met them with creepy friends at party somewhere before that night. Stacy modeled as one job, Suzie was working at the movie theatre. They could have been being stalked together or just one of them.
There are so many creepers out there.

 

[OzarksTrailBlazer]

Stacy's modeling gig was the not the cause to a triple abduction/murder that was very clearly pre-mediated. I do not think she was the target on any level. The random party bouncing and plan-changing tells me this.

To abduct one person or two person you need a lot. To abduct three? You need two vehicles and multiple people to subdue. Land with burial sites. Rope/tape/space in vehicle, etc.

So assuming this, we now know that to plan this, you have a serious worry/grudge against Suzie/Levitt's knowledge in order to abduct them. You must know Delmar and the area around it. You must have a route, a plan for contingencies, all ready to go.

The parking of the women coming by the house from Glenstone and driving up the half circle tells me the driveway was occupied. Nigel said Suzie never EVER parked on the circle. Ever. And never encouraged friends to either because they didn't want cars driving on the grass.

I believe the van the paperboy possibly saw, if true, was one of the stake-out vehicles. I have an inkling who that infamous sketch might be.

 

[Catmommy]

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I'd love a chance to hear from every suspect in every case. I want to know what their stories are. I want to see their phrasing, their "information", their point of view. Why? Because I want to decide for myself. Because I want to know what they are saying and why. Because it is a form of sleuthing.

 

[cherrymeg]

Stacy's modeling gig was the not the cause to a triple abduction/murder that was very clearly pre-mediated. I do not think she was the target on any level. The random party bouncing and plan-changing tells me this.

To abduct one person or two person you need a lot. To abduct three? You need two vehicles and multiple people to subdue. Land with burial sites. Rope/tape/space in vehicle, etc.

So assuming this, we now know that to plan this, you have a serious worry/grudge against Suzie/Levitt's knowledge in order to abduct them. You must know Delmar and the area around it. You must have a route, a plan for contingencies, all ready to go.

The parking of the women coming by the house from Glenstone and driving up the half circle tells me the driveway was occupied. Nigel said Suzie never EVER parked on the circle. Ever. And never encouraged friends to either because they didn't want cars driving on the grass.

I believe the van the paperboy possibly saw, if true, was one of the stake-out vehicles. I have an inkling who that infamous sketch might be.

I'm not convinced the timeline that we have is right or that everyone at the party told the truth. I find it very odd that on graduation night, Sherrill would dump her purse by the front door. The house could have been staged to look like all three women were there or taken from there when maybe only one was.It would be easier to get a mother out of the house than to control all three women on their own turf. That is just one idea.

 

[cherrymeg]

<modsnip> I'd love a chance to hear from every suspect in every case. I want to know what their stories are. I want to see their phrasing, their "information", their point of view. Why? Because I want to decide for myself. Because I want to know what they are saying and why. Because it is a form of sleuthing.

That is a great answer.

 

[OzarksTrailBlazer]

I'm not convinced the timeline that we have is right or that everyone at the party told the truth. I find it very odd that on graduation night, Sherrill would dump her purse by the front door. The house could have been staged to look like all three women were there or taken from there when maybe only one was.It would be easier to get a mother out of the house than to control all three women on their own turf. That is just one idea.

The suspects could have moved the purse?

One or two people were probably already there with Sherrill when the women came home. Stacy's presence became a problem to the perps. I believe abduction was planned for Suzie and Sherrill.

 

[Catmommy]

It's their gospel, we choose whether to believe it or not. Freedom of speech.

 

[cherrymeg]

It's their gospel, we choose whether to believe it or not. Freedom of speech.

The case has many stories from different people, and I think deciding what to believe or who to believe is one thing we all do. If someone is on here answering questions, take advantage of that because they might have stuff to say that's important or something that gives you a glimpse at what these women were like, what was lost when they were abducted.
Instead people getting hung up titles and things we should focus on them on theories on ways to keep them in the media. Asking questions and debating different ideas can be productive.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

I have my theory from 10+ years investigating this.

I think grave robbers were the link from a criminal network to the women. And I think Suzie's testimony was problematic because of what might come up in court. And that led to this being planned. I think abduction was the plan and murder came into play when Stacy showed up and her silence was only guaranteed by murder. That's my theory, the condensed version.

Spot On!

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Only one person was ever sought after for serious information with a serious lead in this case after late 1992. And that was Steve Garrison. With a known connection to the women via Clay and Recla.

Recla had knowledge of the Delmar house. Very few others did.

Joe broke into houses and frequently robbed from them (Mike's own words here). He was no stranger to breaking into homes. Joe's idea to mess with the dead also. Early signs of a psychopath.

Things to consider...

Exactly! According to police, Garrison told them some things, that lined up with things police already knew, that Garrison wouldn't have known unless he was, "In the loop", which held enough probably cause, for a Judge to issue search warrants for. Judges don't just issue search warrants on a whim from what I understand. There had to be something there. And dig into Francis Robb and Sons. Francis Robb's trial on 1st Degree Murder Charges, was set to began the week after this happened. Always made me wonder, as well as helped my view that, this crime may have had a lot to do with people being scared that Susie and/or Sherrill had information that would jeopardize some illegal operation they were neck deep in. My guess would be Drugs. This has pretty much always been my angle, after I realized the Grave Robbers.....Garrison.......Robb connection, as well as noting that Robb's 1st degree murder trial was scheduled to began the week after they disappear. Seems logical.....???

 

[k-mac]

Exactly! According to police, Garrison told them some things, that lined up with things police already knew, that Garrison wouldn't have known unless he was, "In the loop", which held enough probably cause, for a Judge to issue search warrants for. Judges don't just issue search warrants on a whim from what I understand. There had to be something there. And dig into Francis Robb and Sons. Francis Robb's trial on 1st Degree Murder Charges, was set to began the week after this happened. Always made me wonder, as well as helped my view that, this crime may have had a lot to do with people being scared that Susie and/or Sherrill had information that would jeopardize some illegal operation they were neck deep in. My guess would be Drugs. This has pretty much always been my angle, after I realized the Grave Robbers.....Garrison.......Robb connection, as well as noting that Robb's 1st degree murder trial was scheduled to began the week after they disappear. Seems logical.....???

on that....
interestingly the trial was abandoned without suzies testimony iirc.
that has always stuck out for me.
who gained the most from their disappearance.
the above mentioned..... the elephant in the room??
maybe not....but it does warrant the discussion for sure.

moo

 

[k-mac]

The case has many stories from different people, and I think deciding what to believe or who to believe is one thing we all do. If someone is on here answering questions, take advantage of that because they might have stuff to say that's important or something that gives you a glimpse at what these women were like, what was lost when they were abducted.
Instead people getting hung up titles and things we should focus on them on theories on ways to keep them in the media. Asking questions and debating different ideas can be productive.

yes in theory I agree cherrymeg but this wasn't the case in this scenario.
the things a lot of us wanted to talk about where directly stone walled by these people. and imo they had no authority to do so.

 

[cherrymeg]

on that....
interestingly the trial was abandoned without suzies testimony iirc.
that has always stuck out for me.
who gained the most from their disappearance.
the above mentioned..... the elephant in the room??
maybe not....but it does warrant the discussion for sure.

moo

I don't think it was dropped I think it might have been plead out. Suzie wasn't there when it happened. All she could have done was confirmed others' testimony. Mike Clay I believe confessed in detail. Kids get high in cemetaries all the time.

 

[cherrymeg]

yes in theory I agree cherrymeg but this wasn't the case in this scenario.
the things a lot of us wanted to talk about where directly stone walled by these people. and imo they had no authority to do so.

Why don't we talk about it? I don't think Mike or Dusty were good at being criminals. I think they might have been around some creepy guys. There are a lot of creepy guys in the world. Dusty worked and dated Suzie he may be able to remember some.

 

[OzarksTrailBlazer]

Again, Suzie’s testimony in court could bring up things that if lawyers and cops started sniffing around long enough, it might lead to something a criminal group wouldn’t want investigated.

It’s simple. A small group planned abduction to threaten to stay silent about what they know, Stacy showed up, she was a wildcard, so they decided to murder them.

Springfield isn’t a big town. And these kind of things take criminal know-how and experience. That’s why Garrison and CIs were sought. Multiple times. Because they know things.

Kids get high in cemeteries. Yes, but how many break into a mausoleum and mess with the skulls? It’s something that was a first and last in Springfield Missouri. Don’t forget that.

 

[cherrymeg]

on that....
interestingly the trial was abandoned without suzies testimony iirc.
that has always stuck out for me.
who gained the most from their disappearance.
the above mentioned..... the elephant in the room??
maybe not....but it does warrant the discussion for sure.

moo

Joe Riedell testified against Mike and Dusty it was part of his deal for the vandalism. He is supposedly still alive. This has been discussed before, but the case wasn't dropped. The state just was saved money by not conducting a trial when guilty pleas were arranged. Even testifying against friends Joe still had to pay a fine for the graveyard.

 

[cherrymeg]

Again, Suzie’s testimony in court could bring up things that if lawyers and cops started sniffing around long enough, it might lead to something a criminal group wouldn’t want investigated.

It’s simple. A small group planned abduction to threaten to stay silent about what they know, Stacy showed up, she was a wildcard, so they decided to murder them.

Springfield isn’t a big town. And these kind of things take criminal know-how and experience. That’s why Garrison and CIs were sought. Multiple times. Because they know things.

Kids get high in cemeteries. Yes, but how many break into a mausoleum and mess with the skulls? It’s something that was a first and last in Springfield Missouri. Don’t forget that.

Or Garrison had creepy friends that noticed Suzie and Stacy. Joe Riedel came from a different state. Does anyone know much about him? People that knew Suzie and Stacy even if they were just on the perimeter of their social circles or even more distant than that might be why the killer/s targeted them and how they even came to see them.
If Garrison was selling weed or he connected teens with someone that sold drugs it opens a up a potential group of rapey guys. And not because of the drugs but because of Garrison.