MO - Sherrill Levitt, 47, Suzie Streeter, 19, & Stacy McCall, 18, Springfield, 7 June 1992 #11

[cherrymeg]

Garrison being such a coveted POI by Detective Thomas tells me someone of his ilk or even the fringe of him stood to lose out on a big money operation of sorts (likely drugs).

If Suzie was cross-examined in court and asked certain things about Joe or Dusty or Mike, it might shine light on something a certain person didn't want in the public domain. So silence needed to be ensured.

Why do you think Suzie had some inside drug knowledge? Or was being silenced She was just supposed to answer questions about the grave robbery. The GJ came about after they went missing. If someone was covering another crime up, making three women disappear was the most attention grabbing thing they could do. Suzie was back up testimony at best. Why wouldn't Joe Riedel be a target. If you are talking about the GJ it seems most people are alive. It doesn't make sense.

 

[OzarksTrailBlazer]

Because their silence is already ensured via threats or they are a part of it. That’s an easy one.

If opened up to cross examination and on trial, you can ask any question you want if you can make it relevant. This happens all the time.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Janelle has been able to control the story since the morning she showed up at the Streeter/Levitt house. She seemed familiar with "the other girl"s home. She also knew the dog. I know Suzie and Sherrill had moved. Janelle seemed comfortable walking in the house and answering the phone. How did she know Sherrill wouldn't show up at any minute. Sherrill might have had clients calling or work calling. When you had one house phone no cell phones you wouldn't usually answer someone's home phone. It's always just seemed disrespectful or that Janelle was comfortable at that house because she was there a lot. To the point that Sherrill wouldn't have been surprised to find her sitting in her living room. I don't think Janelle has been 100% truthful. I think a lot of people hid small things that they didn't think mattered.
moo

Ok, So I'd like to add something to what you just posted. Janelle clearly made a point to state in one of the videos (I think it was the Disappeared Video) that, "She and Mike went over there" (To the house) then states that, "We had never been there before". But it was interesting, if you watch and re-watch that video where she says this, she stumbles on her words as shes trying to say, "We had never been there before". Has always made me wonder if it was her mind, trying to tell the truth, and her fighting against it. (That's what happens when people lie) Our bodies fight really hard against the lie, that our brain knows to be a lie.....and that's how they train police to detect deception in people. So it's always made me wonder, why she did that. And she did it at least one other time, when she was talking about that night.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Garrison being such a coveted POI by Detective Thomas tells me someone of his ilk or even the fringe of him stood to lose out on a big money operation of sorts (likely drugs).

If Suzie was cross-examined in court and asked certain things about Joe or Dusty or Mike, it might shine light on something a certain person didn't want in the public domain. So silence needed to be ensured.

You cannot say her not going to court "didn't affect anything" when it may be the very reason her, her mother, and friend all died.

What information did Suzie and possibly Ms. Levitt have that someone needed to keep them silent over?

Good Post!

 

[k-mac]

What things bug you most about this case?

suzie being unwell and very upset and not wanting to go home alone.

was she pregnant????????????????
WHO was she mucking around with on the side possibility ??
(think the heather elvis situation case trial happening now)

I think something huge was going on that night affecting suzie and it escalated out of control.

moo

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Why do you think Suzie had some inside drug knowledge? Or was being silenced She was just supposed to answer questions about the grave robbery. The GJ came about after they went missing. If someone was covering another crime up, making three women disappear was the most attention grabbing thing they could do. Suzie was back up testimony at best. Why wouldn't Joe Riedel be a target. If you are talking about the GJ it seems most people are alive. It doesn't make sense.

You know, I've thought about that too. It could go a couple different ways. One way I have looked at it is, people connected to the grave robbers committed the crime, unbeknownst to any of the grave robbers. It could be that, they knew the details of what Susie had done going to the police and all, and without the knowledge of the grave robbers, planned out the crime, fearing that her testimony may open a preverbal pandora box for them and any illegal activities they committed. In the other scenario, it would just be isolated to the grave robbers. May be not all of them, but one or two. These scenarios only speak to the grave robbers, and/or connections they may have had to the criminal underword of that area.
Ask yourself this question, as I have, but have never figured out a solid answer to it. Why was the Midwest Organized Crime Task Force called into the investigation? (Or what ever it was technically called at the time)
Did police think that this had something to do with organized crime? Is that may be the reason that EVERYONE you talk to about this crime, that may have been close to it, won't even discuss it.
I tried to discuss this case with someone who was close to the LE community, and Legal Community in the Springfield area, who also grew up in the area, and he refused to discuss the case. Never understood why. But absolutely refused. And wouldn't explain why......just said he couldn't talk about it/wouldn't talk about it. And this was completely off the record.....between me, him, and a rock. And he wouldn't budge?
So why?

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

suzie being unwell and very upset and not wanting to go home alone.

was she pregnant????????????????
WHO was she mucking around with on the side possibility ??
(think the heather elvis situation case trial happening now)

I think something huge was going on that night affecting suzie and it escalated out of control.

moo

That is an excellent post! I have wondered myself as well, if that may have been the motive for the crime. I have wondered if may be either Susie was pregnant, by someone she knew, who was also dating someone else at the time. I've wondered if it was a crime of Jeliousy, or possibly one of passion in which the person who she had had relations with, couldn't let her being pregnant get around and screw up his relationship.
Not that this is what happened, but it has happened in other crimes many many times. So it is not unheard of.

 

[OzarksTrailBlazer]

Yes the Midwest organized crime task force was called in. That wasn’t just a protocol move.

There was a criminal group investigated in this crime. I’m thinking Gooses or some other lesser but similarly structured operation.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Yes the Midwest organized crime task force was called in. That wasn’t just a protocol move.

There was a criminal group investigated in this crime. I’m thinking Gooses or some other lesser but similarly structured operation.

At this point, after looking at this case from various angles, I would tend to agree. May be not the Goose angle exactly, but who knows......It's not like that can be taken off the table. Police did speak of the motorcycle rally happening around a week or so of that time period that the crime occurred. And the police did mention the motorcycle rally early on, but also tried to down play it as not being a concern. May be it was a concern. They mentioned it publicly......you'd think there had to be a reason. Someone had to have a concern about that angle, or it wouldn't have been mentioned publicly by the police. That's my feeling on that.

 

[cherrymeg]

Yes the Midwest organized crime task force was called in. That wasn’t just a protocol move.

There was a criminal group investigated in this crime. I’m thinking Gooses or some other lesser but similarly structured operation.

Where they investigating the missing women or drug distribution in the area? Where arrests made?

 

[cherrymeg]

That is an excellent post! I have wondered myself as well, if that may have been the motive for the crime. I have wondered if may be either Susie was pregnant, by someone she knew, who was also dating someone else at the time. I've wondered if it was a crime of Jeliousy, or possibly one of passion in which the person who she had had relations with, couldn't let her being pregnant get around and screw up his relationship.
Not that this is what happened, but it has happened in other crimes many many times. So it is not unheard of.

I thought Suzie being sick was her hinting that she wanted to leave. Or that several people mentioned it, they were either telling the truth or repeating a script. I don't think her mom would have judged her for being pregnant and that is if she was. Being pregnant and having the baby are two different things. Has anyone close to her eve suspected pregnancy. Was there a test in the trash?

 

[cherrymeg]

You know, I've thought about that too. It could go a couple different ways. One way I have looked at it is, people connected to the grave robbers committed the crime, unbeknownst to any of the grave robbers. It could be that, they knew the details of what Susie had done going to the police and all, and without the knowledge of the grave robbers, planned out the crime, fearing that her testimony may open a preverbal pandora box for them and any illegal activities they committed. In the other scenario, it would just be isolated to the grave robbers. May be not all of them, but one or two. These scenarios only speak to the grave robbers, and/or connections they may have had to the criminal underword of that area.
Ask yourself this question, as I have, but have never figured out a solid answer to it. Why was the Midwest Organized Crime Task Force called into the investigation? (Or what ever it was technically called at the time)
Did police think that this had something to do with organized crime? Is that may be the reason that EVERYONE you talk to about this crime, that may have been close to it, won't even discuss it.
I tried to discuss this case with someone who was close to the LE community, and Legal Community in the Springfield area, who also grew up in the area, and he refused to discuss the case. Never understood why. But absolutely refused. And wouldn't explain why......just said he couldn't talk about it/wouldn't talk about it. And this was completely off the record.....between me, him, and a rock. And he wouldn't budge?
So why?

Where other people in the Gooses possibly put in witness protection. Transporting drugs and possibly being involved in crimes in and out of the state might mean those witnesses need to be protected. Is it possible someone that may never have come up in this case testified against organized crime in the Gooses and maybe against other groups and were given immunity for the disappearance of these women and anything else they did. I don't know why they wouldn't have at least demanded the bodies. I'm not saying Suzie Stacy or Sherrill were killed for their drug knowledge but maybe the killer had something "bigger" to trade on. They could be in prison in witness protection. This cold be a reason people can't talk about things.

 

[cherrymeg]

suzie being unwell and very upset and not wanting to go home alone.

was she pregnant????????????????
WHO was she mucking around with on the side possibility ??
(think the heather elvis situation case trial happening now)

I think something huge was going on that night affecting suzie and it escalated out of control.

moo

I thought she was freaked out and wanted to keep people from her home, where it would be just her mom, unless she went out. It might have been her and Stacy alone with creepy guys they met at a party. "I'm sick" could have been a hint or a reason to stay in a house with a bunch of people. I don't think she would have brought Stacy there if she thought she was the one that was a target. I wonder if she felt protective of Stacy or knew she was attracting attention of someone dangerous. Or someone that gave her a creepy feeling. Not staying at Janelle's has always seemed odd. If Stacy and Suzy weren't close why was Stacy there? I think maybe she thought she would have more freedom and could leave or meet someone.

 

[cherrymeg]

Ok, So I'd like to add something to what you just posted. Janelle clearly made a point to state in one of the videos (I think it was the Disappeared Video) that, "She and Mike went over there" (To the house) then states that, "We had never been there before". But it was interesting, if you watch and re-watch that video where she says this, she stumbles on her words as shes trying to say, "We had never been there before". Has always made me wonder if it was her mind, trying to tell the truth, and her fighting against it. (That's what happens when people lie) Our bodies fight really hard against the lie, that our brain knows to be a lie.....and that's how they train police to detect deception in people. So it's always made me wonder, why she did that. And she did it at least one other time, when she was talking about that night.

Why would she lie about that? Unless maybe she realized by saying I've been there she would be outing Stacy as being there too. Maybe sleepovers at Janelle's were code for going out and they used Suzie's house to leave from because Janis wouldn't drive past it or didn't know the new address. Stacy could have left her car at Janelle's and Suzie picked them up and they went out. Or some version of that. Kids can be creative and sneaky lol. I don't know if that led to their deaths or just added to incomplete facts in the case.
moo

 

[cherrymeg]

Because their silence is already ensured via threats or they are a part of it. That’s an easy one.

If opened up to cross examination and on trial, you can ask any question you want if you can make it relevant. This happens all the time.

That's not how things work. Why would she know anything more than, confirming she saw them or lent them her car or w/e on the day of the grave robbery. She wasn't there so why are you suggesting she has knowledge of organized crime? You can use a crime as leverage but not in court. She was the prosecutors witness she wouldn't have been asked anything she didn't know was coming from them and I don't think the defense was going to ask anything that would make his clients seem more guilty. They ended up taking guilty pleas and doing their time and getting drug counseling. Joe Riedel made a deal for turning on the other two. He is alive.
The grand jury was about three missing women. If Suzie had been there that would have ended it. Check facts.

 

[OzarksTrailBlazer]

Cherry Meg, respectfully, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

I’m suggesting she had knowledge of fringe drug dealers and operations because of her ex boyfriend and his girlfriend at the time’s mom’s boyfriend...Steve Garrison. And Mike’s ex’s dad was a galloping goose. And Joe was possibly involved with some questionable people and activities...

You think Suzie was too naive to not know a single thing about the drugs? Okay...

The risk of her talking to lawyers and cops meant someone stood a lot to lose.

The grand jury in 1994 has nothing to do with the motive of wanting Suzie to stay quiet for a different case of the vandal. <modsnip: rude and personalizing>

 

[cherrymeg]

Cherry Meg, respectfully, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

I’m suggesting she had knowledge of fringe drug dealers and operations because of her ex boyfriend and his girlfriend at the time’s mom’s boyfriend...Steve Garrison. And Mike’s ex’s dad was a galloping goose. And Joe was possibly involved with some questionable people and activities...

You think Suzie was too naive to not know a single thing about the drugs? Okay...

The risk of her talking to lawyers and cops meant someone stood a lot to lose.

The grand jury in 1994 has nothing to do with the motive of wanting Suzie to stay quiet for a different case of the vandal. <modsnip: rude and personalizing>

Respectfully, you are making accusations with no more proof than people suggesting she was pregnant. You also have made comments about the Grand Jury and the grave robbing trial and tried blurring them together. Sorry if facts offend you.

 

[OzarksTrailBlazer]

Respectfully, you are making accusations with no more proof than people suggesting she was pregnant. You also have made comments about the Grand Jury and the grave robbing trial and tried blurring them together. Sorry if facts offend you.

I never blurred them together. That’s what YOU were doing. One was two years after the other. They had nothing to do with each other except for sharing Mike and Dusty. I do not know if Joe was called to the GJ in 94.

Everything I’ve stated are facts. You’re using conjecture saying “supposed Janelle did this or that” etc. with zero proof.

 

[OzarksTrailBlazer]

Suzie knew two people who were very comfortable robbing teeth out of skulls to sell for cash. You act like this is the same as getting high on weed in a cemetery. Very different. Which is why it’s not something that happened before or after Joe and Mike did it.

Fact: Suzie would be called to testify against the three in court. Her statement, from what Mike showed you, is not the same as what might get said in court....Lawyers can ask anything.

Look into “discovery”

 

[cherrymeg]

I never blurred them together. That’s what YOU were doing. One was two years after the other. They had nothing to do with each other except for sharing Mike and Dusty. I do not know if Joe was called to the GJ in 94.

Everything I’ve stated are facts. You’re using conjecture saying “supposed Janelle did this or that” etc. with zero proof.

I'm not going to fight with you. I'm trying to clear up any confusion about trials. I think the night of graduation and maybe before that Suzie and Stacy's movements should be looked at. I'm not saying Janelle did anything but that she might know more about her friends personal lives.