MO - Sherrill Levitt, 47, Suzie Streeter, 19, & Stacy McCall, 18, Springfield, 7 June 1992 #11

[OzarksTrailBlazer]

BBM...You have obviously invested a lot of time and research into this case. Since you feel that sexual assault was NOT the motive for these abductions and presumed murders, what do you believe the motive to be? I'm not disagreeing with you, just curious of your thoughts. FWIW, I don't think this case was committed by a stranger. I have always thought it was carried out by more than one person and at least one of them was familiar with one or more of the women. Thank you in advance for your insight.

The motive is without a doubt in my mind silence.

Suzie’s testimony spooked the fringe drug dealing crowd of the grave robbers. They abducted with intent to scare and Stacy caused the impromptu decision to murder. Most of it was pre-planned. Not a bright crew that knew Suzie might be out that night.

Not bright. But not unlucky.

“Dead people tell no tales”

 

[Woofbark]

No one expected the two girls to be there. They didn't even decide to go to Suzie's until the other sleeping arrangements didn't work out at the last minute. If someone had followed them, there is no way that they could know that house wasn't full of graduation night family and friends as well. Sherrill was supposed to be alone that night and the next day too. That, in my opinion, makes Sherrill the target, for whatever reason, and the girls ending their night with the worst one of their short lives.

Was anyone able to determine the address of the last party they went to that night?

 

[OzarksTrailBlazer]

Was anyone able to determine the address of the last party they went to that night?

They left 1500 block of E. Hanover about 2AM then head to Janelle's briefly before Stacy and Suzie went back to 1717 around 2:30AM.

This is all on the timeline pages.

 

[cherrymeg]

They left 1500 block of E. Hanover about 2AM then head to Janelle's briefly before Stacy and Suzie went back to 1717 around 2:30AM.

This is all on the timeline pages.

The timeline may or maynot be correct. Not only were many people drunk that night they might have not been completely accurate on purpose or do to human error. That night is important and there every move should be looked into.

 

[cherrymeg]

Was anyone able to determine the address of the last party they went to that night?

This was an early timeline.

 

[cherrymeg]

I know I posted these before but they have interviews with people that saw them that night.

 

[cherrymeg]

The article is at the bottom. It talks about aneight seeing the cars parked differently.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

No one expected the two girls to be there. They didn't even decide to go to Suzie's until the other sleeping arrangements didn't work out at the last minute. If someone had followed them, there is no way that they could know that house wasn't full of graduation night family and friends as well. Sherrill was supposed to be alone that night and the next day too. That, in my opinion, makes Sherrill the target, for whatever reason, and the girls ending their night with the worst one of their short lives.

Or, just because we really don't know......It is possible that someone DID KNOW that the the two girls were heading back home.
Just something to think about, because in the end, we really don't know why the girls were taken, and by whom. Almost anything is on the table now, as far as I'm concerned. Except for unrealistic scenarios that have come and gone.
But yea, someone could have known exactly where the girls were headed.

 

[OzarksTrailBlazer]

The timeline may or maynot be correct. Not only were many people drunk that night they might have not been completely accurate on purpose or do to human error. That night is important and there every move should be looked into.

Not really, Mark Webb was one of the cops at the broken up party on Hanover. He verified at least part of it. Along with about 15 give or take other partygoers. Unless you think they're all "in on it" or whatever, I think the police have the timeline down well. That's why they stick to the same one 27 years later.

Janelle's mother and neighbor and Brian Joy confirmed the other timelines.

 

[OzarksTrailBlazer]

What we can't confirm is the alibi of Joe Riedel (a person who was extradited not only for his two-bit criminal grave robbing, but to be questioned in this case). And we only have Mike's sister confirming Mike and Dusty's alibi after 1AM. Can't trust that a sister wouldn't lie for their brother so that alibi is shaky at best. But even if we play along, there's unaswered questions about the night post-Cyanide Rainbow show.

Mike claims Joe left town but there's nothing that says he didn't come back. Especially since Mike himself did indeed come back. Claims "nothing tying Joe to Springfield." But Mike admitted he didn't know of any friends Joe made outside of Dusty and him. So Dusty and Mike have girlfriends and their own friends outside of Joe, who is Joe hanging out with for the many months he's in Springfield? Drug connection brings us Garrison. Garrison brings us a vast criminal network involving some of the Robbs and many others in the area.

We can also confirm Joe is a snitch and even a possible CI. So there's suspicion there when you consider the residuals surrounding a possible Suzie testimony busting down an operation that some fringe drug people might not want known publicly.

From SpringfieldMan341's post:

Springfield News-Leader, Missing, Day 24:

"The 21 year old man, Joseph Riedel, is jailed in Illinois awaiting extradition to Springfield on a fugitive warrant for institutional vandalism. The fugitive was believed to be in town when the three disappeared from Levitt's home. The fugitive is held in Lake County,IL jail on a fugitive bond of $100,000. He was arrested in Mundlein, IL, about 50 miles north of Chicago. Officials would not say if he lives there, nor would they explain the $100,000 bond. A June 22 Greene County warrant placed a $10,000 bond on him for the vandalism charge."

WHY is there a $100,000 bond? The 10k bond covered the GR incident. The $100,000 bond is VERY suspicious. Fugitives for two bit crimes never get bonds that high. Considering ones who escaped from jail around that time were getting measly $5000 bonds set. Riedel didn't even escape.

 

[Catmommy]

The saddest part about this is that, 27 years later, all any of us have to help these victims is theories and suspicions. Too bad it ain't hardly enough.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

The timeline may or maynot be correct. Not only were many people drunk that night they might have not been completely accurate on purpose or do to human error. That night is important and there every move should be looked into.

I need to correct something here, just for the sake of accuracy, as it pertains to the story. Promise I'm not trying to nit pic. They left the Hannover Party, then returned to Brian Joy's house with Shane Appleby, and shortly afterwards were met at Brian Joy by Janelle and a car load of her friends. Then they supposidly "Walked" 2-miles to Janelles house at which point, according to the story, Janelle went in side, and Shane Appleby says, "I saw her walk to her car, and that's the last time I saw her".
And then what? Did he walk all alone 2-miles back to his car? Was he with anyone else? Why was he not given a ride back to his car by someone? It makes no sense. And this is where it all starts getting very sketchy for me.....story wise. And it makes the earlier stories about the events that were conveyed that supposedly happened earlier in the evening......sound even more sketchy.

 

[OzarksTrailBlazer]

I need to correct something here, just for the sake of accuracy, as it pertains to the story. Promise I'm not trying to nit pic. They left the Hannover Party, then returned to Brian Joy's house with Shane Appleby, and shortly afterwards were met at Brian Joy by Janelle and a car load of her friends. Then they supposidly "Walked" 2-miles to Janelles house at which point, according to the story, Janelle went in side, and Shane Appleby says, "I saw her walk to her car, and that's the last time I saw her".
And then what? Did he walk all alone 2-miles back to his car? Was he with anyone else? Why was he not given a ride back to his car by someone? It makes no sense. And this is where it all starts getting very sketchy for me.....story wise. And it makes the earlier stories about the events that were conveyed that supposedly happened earlier in the evening......sound even more sketchy.

That's more sketchy than one the Grave Robbers having a 100k fugitive bond that can't be explained and cops bailing out a drug dealer and taking him to a hotel?

Also you have a big important fact wrong, we have to clarify: Shane drove the girls to their cars in his Jeep (it's literally in one of the articles CherryMeg posted). I see nothing suspicious about it. They were all calling it a night.

Suzie needed a friend and told Stacy about the waterbed. They got in their cars and left after stepping inside the Kirby house and realizing it was full. Shane was probably still lingering around in the doorway or out in his car when he saw them walk to their respective cars.

 

[cherrymeg]

I need to correct something here, just for the sake of accuracy, as it pertains to the story. Promise I'm not trying to nit pic. They left the Hannover Party, then returned to Brian Joy's house with Shane Appleby, and shortly afterwards were met at Brian Joy by Janelle and a car load of her friends. Then they supposidly "Walked" 2-miles to Janelles house at which point, according to the story, Janelle went in side, and Shane Appleby says, "I saw her walk to her car, and that's the last time I saw her".
And then what? Did he walk all alone 2-miles back to his car? Was he with anyone else? Why was he not given a ride back to his car by someone? It makes no sense. And this is where it all starts getting very sketchy for me.....story wise. And it makes the earlier stories about the events that were conveyed that supposedly happened earlier in the evening......sound even more sketchy.

I posted these because they have people's accounts of the night but you can see how things change. I know these aren't police reports but the behavior of people doesn't always add up. I didn't post these as facts or to support a fact. I'm curious as to what everyone makes of the more original statements and theories.

 

[cherrymeg]

That's more sketchy than one the Grave Robbers having a 100k fugitive bond that can't be explained and cops bailing out a drug dealer and taking him to a hotel?

Also you have a big important fact wrong, we have to clarify: Shane drove the girls to their cars in his Jeep (it's literally in one of the articles CherryMeg posted). I see nothing suspicious about it. They were all calling it a night.

Suzie needed a friend and told Stacy about the waterbed. They got in their cars and left after stepping inside the Kirby house and realizing it was full. Shane was probably still lingering around in the doorway or out in his car when he saw them walk to their respective cars.

How about trying a link. Who is the fugitive? And they took Garrison to a farm where he claimed bodies were buried. Scooby makes a point and even an article claimed that people at the Streeter/Levitt home ater the disappearance changed their stories.

You really believe a water bed is why Stacy slept over? Suzie had asked to stay at the Joy house. Suzie might have been trying to prevent Stacy or anyone coming to her home. It was just her and her mother. I think she was trying to keep trouble away from her door.

 

[cherrymeg]

This is an interesting article.

 

[OzarksTrailBlazer]

The fugitive is Riedel. I am confused on what you're confused about. Where did I say waterbed was THE reason? Where did I need a link? You posted a PDF that literally says Shane drove them to their cars.

The fugitive article is pasted from News-Leader article. I gave you the date. (24 days from June 7th 1992). Don't need a link. Work was cited.

And you're getting facts wrong again. Suzie told Stacy "I have a waterbed" and then said "follow me to my house" while at the Kirby residence. Just after Shane drove them over there.

 

[cherrymeg]

The fugitive is Riedel. I am confused on what you're confused about. Where did I say waterbed was THE reason? Where did I need a link? You posted a PDF that literally says Shane drove them to their cars.

The fugitive article is pasted from News-Leader article. I gave you the date. (24 days from June 7th 1992). Don't need a link. Work was cited.

And you're getting facts wrong again. Suzie told Stacy "I have a waterbed" and then said "follow me to my house" while at the Kirby residence. Just after Shane drove them over there.

What facts am I missing? Do you think Stacy went home with Suzie because she had a waterbed? Do you think it was that simple?
These articles have conflicting statements. They are interesting and can start a conversation.

 

[scruffydog]

This is an interesting article.

Wow! Thank you, I've never seen this.

 

[OzarksTrailBlazer]

What facts am I missing? Do you think Stacy went home with Suzie because she had a waterbed? Do you think it was that simple?
These articles have conflicting statements. They are interesting and can start a conversation.

What statements are conflicting?

Your article, that you posted, the June 19, 1992 News-Leader article, says:

(after leaving Joy's house)
"Kirby invited Streeter and McCall to sleep at her house, instead, But serveral of the Kirby relatives were there, so Streeter and McCall said no. Appleby drove them to their cars. About 2:20 AM Kathy Kirby woke up when she heard Janelle Kirby come in the house. She heard Streeter tell McCall "Follow me to my house" and McCall say "Okay, I will" then she heard them drive away."

The cars were parked at Janelle's. Shane drove them from Joy to Janelle's to get their cars. Then they left. Nothing suspicious. I think what confuses people is how the article was written. It's pretty normal stuff.