MO - Sherrill Levitt, 47, Suzie Streeter, 19, & Stacy McCall, 18, Springfield, 7 June 1992 #14

[Talullah]

Yes it does... at least the points I was bringing up. There’s no proof she didn’t know about the vandalism until after it happened.... I wasn’t even talking about that..

I was saying that Suzie was cooperative with the cops. And Asher states the car was used in the commission of the crime (there’s other documents that aren’t tv shows public that also prove this point...that’s why i asked Bartt if he was so positive...

Around 40:something Webb says Suzie found out about the vandalism after it happened.

 

[ArkansasTimeTraveler]

Around 40:something Webb says Suzie found out about the vandalism after it happened.

“She wasn’t aware of what they were going to do after it had been done” is not proof of anything in an edited TV show because Webb is cut and context is lost.. even if that’s the case it means nothing in regards to car being used...she may have loaned it to Dusty.. again that wasnt even a point I was arguing in my posts. I’m not interested in the time she found out about it...

only when certain people found out she was talking to cops and planning to testify in court later that summer

so you agree cops’ word is “proof” now, so do you believe Asher too? Just curious of your take

 

[Talullah]

“She wasn’t aware of what they were going to do after it had been done” is not proof of anything in an edited TV show because Webb is cut and context is lost.. even if that’s the case it means nothing in regards to car being used...she may have loaned it to Dusty.. again that wasnt even a point I was arguing in my posts. I’m not interested in the time she found out about it...

only when certain people found out she was talking to cops and planning to testify in court later that summer

so you agree cops’ word is “proof” now, so do you believe Asher too? Just curious of your take

Cherrymeg asked for proof of

Interesting.. thanks Bartt for answering

So why do you think your sister was asked to leave work and come down to the station? Why would she be a party the cops even cared about? They didn’t ask Mike’s girlfriend. Just Suzie. Why do you suppose? Dusty didnt even take part in the robbing......so why bother with his gf?

You’re right and thanks for reminding us context becomes lost during editing but the link you provided for the episode of Disappeared doesn’t address Mike’s girlfriend at the time or anyone asking Suzie to leave work to go to the police station. It does mention graduation parties. However Webb does say police learned about Suzie (as Dusty’s girlfriend) during the investigation into the grave robbery and that Suzie (paraphrasing here) didn’t know about the grave robbery before it happened.
I believe Webb regarding how they knew about Suzie as Dusty’s girlfriend and her knowledge of the grave robbery since I haven’t heard or read anything to the contrary from anyone close to the case. Thanks again for the link.

 

[ArkansasTimeTraveler]

Your "paraphrase" is an assumption. No context is actually given due to the edit...and Actually 'cherry meg' wasnt clear on what she was asking for proof of. Its common knowledge Suzie talked to the cops.. I never said Suzie knew/didnt know about the GR plan. that isnt important to me or the case... her talking to the cops = motive for someone to kidnap her.

Why did they choose Dusty's girlfriend to talk to if she had no connection to the case? They didn't talk to other girlfriends/friends that weren't supposedly "involved" so why Suzie?

So again, now that we have proof...... why was Suzie someone the cops cared to talk to when other girlfriends/friends werent (in regards to GR case)?

 

[Talullah]

Your "paraphrase" is an assumption. No context is actually given due to the edit...and Actually 'cherry meg' wasnt clear on what she was asking for proof of. Its common knowledge Suzie talked to the cops.. I never said Suzie knew/didnt know about the GR plan. that isnt important to me or the case... her talking to the cops = motive for someone to kidnap her.

Why did they choose Dusty's girlfriend to talk to if she had no connection to the case? They didn't talk to other girlfriends/friends that weren't supposedly "involved" so why Suzie?

So again, now that we have proof...... why was Suzie someone the cops cared to talk to when other girlfriends/friends werent (in regards to GR case)?

What “proof” are you referring to?
Why does it matter if police didn’t speak with Mike Clay’s girlfriend? How do you know she didn’t? Unless his then girlfriend is missing I don’t see the relevance but I would appreciate a link to that information.
True. You didn’t ask when Suzie knew about the vandalism. I pointed it out because Webb says it before we see “Suzie” giving a statement. I realize it doesn’t matter to you but it may matter to other people as it shows her lack of knowledge surrounding the vandalism.
Cherrymeg’s quotes your post and asks for proof of your statements so forgive me if I don’t understand your confusion.
My “paraphrase” is not an assumption on my part. I relayed information from the link you provided.

 

[ArkansasTimeTraveler]

What “proof” are you referring to?
Why does it matter if police didn’t speak with Mike Clay’s girlfriend? How do you know she didn’t? Unless his then girlfriend is missing I don’t see the relevance but I would appreciate a link to that information.

Proof she talked to the cops is all over newspapers and crime shows. I'm not arguing anymore whether she talked to the cops. That's proven. Multiple times over.

Actually it was an assumption. Pronouns were used and edited video makes context elusive sometimes...

It does matter if they spoke to Mike's girlfriend or not because they sought Suzie for info....why not talk to every girlfriend/close friend of Mike and Joe and Dusty....why Suzie? (hint: it's because there's probably a connection to the crime...that's why) It's that simple..

Police dont tend to ask people for statements unless theres a reason... and if you believe Suzie was "volunteering" the info....then that only fuels the motive of someone to kidnap her even more.. Perps would be like "She's volunteering info to the cops? Let's shut her up!" You know?

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

This post lands at random.

Stop the back and forth bickering, snark or personalizing in this thread.

If you state something as fact or in direct quotes, you must back it up with a link to the source. If it your opinion, state it is your opinion or use appropriate acronyms (JMO, IMO, etc).

 

[ArkansasTimeTraveler]

Once again, a sad verification of my concerns.
Let us stop all this tit for tat, state your theory concisely and precisely.

I promise, I will not respond to you theory by saying "but I'm only interested in the truth."

I also promise, I won't say I have proof of something, if I cannot prove it with a source that others also feel is actual proof.


I have absolutely no interest in waxing philosophically with you. (Especially as one has to have the ability to challenge their comfortable belief systems to have an intelligent philosophical conversation.)

"Gaslighting" ... really?

Asher, has definitely said and officially written some crap.


Have a joyful day. )>

My theory:
(MOO)

A graverobber (joe included here, remember) is frustrated with Suzie's actions....complains openly to friends at parties..
Grave robbers bought and possibly distributed drugs Steve Garrison sold..
Garrison has two high profiled criminal buddies who escaped prison and are in the general springfield area...both experience home robberies and have robbed in the area of Delmar. So has Joe Riedel according to Mike... so I believe someone or multiple in this group had a plan to scare your mom and sister that night to tell them not to talk to police and planned to abduct as part of this... guys involved with high-stakes drug dealing tend to do this kind of thing...
I believe a Robb family member (garrison has a direct tie here) helped on some level of the crime....either burial or abduction itself or both and that steve only had cursory knowledge of this and thats why his dig sites have gag orders and also why he wasnt sure where they were buried
i believe stacy's interruption of the plan is what caused someone to decide on murder...it was a last minute call and they were likely killed immediately. I know this is painful and hard to hear, Bartt, but it;s what I think happened..
I think the potential for rotten cops, like you think, is there too because of manipulation of gag orders and because of the pimping of high profile people like Cox and you..
I believe Mike indirectly or directly knows the one(s) who did this and may be scared for his life so thats why he is dismissive of people like steve garrison and downplays their relationship even though they saw each other multiple times (and his sister worked at his common hangout spot and the spot where he was busted carrying a firearm)..
steve was a rumored bike gang member (assumed from the biker involved in his trial) and we all know Mike dated a Goose's daughter (his own words). I believe the rotten cops you speak of may have had some drug link they didnt want exposed........but i dont know for certain on that front
James Wright, FBI stated that threats were used by the ones "in the know" to keep people quiet. I believe him wholeheartedly...

but here you go, tell me where i might be wrong, i'm curious of your thoughts

 

[Bartt Streeter]

When I receive these notices how do I know which post was deleted ?

1. MO - Sherrill Levitt, 47, Suzie Streeter, 19, & Stacy McCall, 18, Springfield, 7 June 1992 #14 was deleted. Reason: personalizing[/paste:font]16 minutes ago.

 

[Bartt Streeter]

My theory:
(MOO)

A graverobber (joe included here, remember) is frustrated with Suzie's actions....complains openly to friends at parties..
Grave robbers bought and possibly distributed drugs Steve Garrison sold..
Garrison has two high profiled criminal buddies who escaped prison and are in the general springfield area...both experience home robberies and have robbed in the area of Delmar. So has Joe Riedel according to Mike... so I believe someone or multiple in this group had a plan to scare your mom and sister that night to tell them not to talk to police and planned to abduct as part of this... guys involved with high-stakes drug dealing tend to do this kind of thing...
I believe a Robb family member (garrison has a direct tie here) helped on some level of the crime....either burial or abduction itself or both and that steve only had cursory knowledge of this and thats why his dig sites have gag orders and also why he wasnt sure where they were buried
i believe stacy's interruption of the plan is what caused someone to decide on murder...it was a last minute call and they were likely killed immediately. I know this is painful and hard to hear, Bartt, but it;s what I think happened..
I think the potential for rotten cops, like you think, is there too because of manipulation of gag orders and because of the pimping of high profile people like Cox and you..
I believe Mike indirectly or directly knows the one(s) who did this and may be scared for his life so thats why he is dismissive of people like steve garrison and downplays their relationship even though they saw each other multiple times (and his sister worked at his common hangout spot and the spot where he was busted carrying a firearm)..
steve was a rumored bike gang member (assumed from the biker involved in his trial) and we all know Mike dated a Goose's daughter (his own words). I believe the rotten cops you speak of may have had some drug link they didnt want exposed........but i dont know for certain on that front
James Wright, FBI stated that threats were used by the ones "in the know" to keep people quiet. I believe him wholeheartedly...

but here you go, tell me where i might be wrong, i'm curious of your thoughts

I think there are a few of your points that are still up for debate, however, I agree, your theory is highly likely.

However, does it not resemble what was presented to the grand jury, which resulted in no indictments?

 

[Talullah]

Proof she talked to the cops is all over newspapers and crime shows. I'm not arguing anymore whether she talked to the cops. That's proven. Multiple times over.

Actually it was an assumption. Pronouns were used and edited video makes context elusive sometimes...

It does matter if they spoke to Mike's girlfriend or not because they sought Suzie for info....why not talk to every girlfriend/close friend of Mike and Joe and Dusty....why Suzie? (hint: it's because there's probably a connection to the crime...that's why) It's that simple..

Police dont tend to ask people for statements unless theres a reason... and if you believe Suzie was "volunteering" the info....then that only fuels the motive of someone to kidnap her even more.. Perps would be like "She's volunteering info to the cops? Let's shut her up!" You know?

I agree and never doubted Suzie gave a statement about the vandalism at the police station. I never thought Suzie voluntarily went to the police station. I agree and hope police interviewed Mike’s girlfriend but I have no reason to think they didn’t. I realize it’s important to you but without a clear link to information you claim as true it doesn’t seem relevant to this case. I hope you can understand.

 

[ArkansasTimeTraveler]

I think there are a few of your points that are still up for debate, however, I agree, your theory is highly likely.

However, does it not resemble what was presented to the grand jury, which resulted in no indictments?

They didn’t have enough info.....look at Bible/Freeman case. So many parallels to this one... sometimes there’s just not quite enough evidence though you do “know” who the players are. Hopefully someone comes forward with tangible knowledge or a piece of clothing/DNA item.... praying that happens

 

[cherrymeg]

When I receive these notices how do I know which post was deleted ?

1. MO - Sherrill Levitt, 47, Suzie Streeter, 19, & Stacy McCall, 18, Springfield, 7 June 1992 #14 was deleted. Reason: personalizing[/paste:font]16 minutes ago.

I hate when you don't know what post was deleted. You might want to get verified. Also if someone is bothering you or making accusations or comments you aren't comfortable with they'll remove them.

 

[cherrymeg]

I agree and never doubted Suzie gave a statement about the vandalism at the police station. I never thought Suzie voluntarily went to the police station. I agree and hope police interviewed Mike’s girlfriend but I have no reason to think they didn’t. I realize it’s important to you but without a clear link to information you claim as true it doesn’t seem relevant to this case. I hope you can understand.

She picked up Dusty after his arrest and I think she question at the movie theatre. She went to the police station or where ever to pick up her boyfriend and coworker. I agree that it's not relevant to this case. Suzie and Stacy came into contact with so many people at parties before they disappeared. Check boyfriends, check the families that's normal. They did that in 1992 at least for Suzie and Sherrill.

 

[Talullah]

Can someone tell me if police were interested in Garrison-regarding this case-before he provided the tip about the farm?

 

[ArkansasTimeTraveler]

Can someone tell me if police were interested in Garrison-regarding this case-before he provided the tip about the farm?

Yes...he told police very early on that a friend of his bragged about murdering them at a party..

Newsleader article 12-12-93 says detective Thomas worked with Garrison since July 1993.... if we look at Case Net we see his gun charge at the strip club was earlier that year and we can see for case 31393CF0112 on Missouri Case Net in the dockets that Garrison's bond was dropped from $10,000 to $2500...

So if the dig/farm tip came on August 28 1993...then we know Thomas and him had a conversation about the missing women (the party info) earlier that summer,,,,, and if we believe Mr. RS (Charles Tuna, who used to live with Garrison) then he said he detectives Thomas and Carrington were outside his and Garrison (and Dusty's gf and gf's mom at the time)'s apartment asking for info in 1992.. but he said his memory is foggy on when exactly it was

 

[cherrymeg]

Yes...he told police very early on that a friend of his bragged about murdering them at a party..

Newsleader article 12-12-93 says detective Thomas worked with Garrison since July 1993.... if we look at Case Net we see his gun charge at the strip club was earlier that year and we can see for case 31393CF0112 on Missouri Case Net in the dockets that Garrison's bond was dropped from $10,000 to $2500...

So if the dig/farm tip came on August 28 1993...then we know Thomas and him had a conversation about the missing women (the party info) earlier that summer,,,,, and if we believe Mr. RS (Charles Tuna, who used to live with Garrison) then he said he detectives Thomas and Carrington were outside his and Garrison (and Dusty's gf and gf's mom at the time)'s apartment asking for info in 1992.. but he said his memory is foggy on when exactly it was

They never lived together. Same apartment building. I think you might be miss quoting some you obviously have issues with.

 

[Talullah]

Yes...he told police very early on that a friend of his bragged about murdering them at a party..

Newsleader article 12-12-93 says detective Thomas worked with Garrison since July 1993.... if we look at Case Net we see his gun charge at the strip club was earlier that year and we can see for case 31393CF0112 on Missouri Case Net in the dockets that Garrison's bond was dropped from $10,000 to $2500...

So if the dig/farm tip came on August 28 1993...then we know Thomas and him had a conversation about the missing women (the party info) earlier that summer,,,,, and if we believe Mr. RS (Charles Tuna, who used to live with Garrison) then he said he detectives Thomas and Carrington were outside his and Garrison (and Dusty's gf and gf's mom at the time)'s apartment asking for info in 1992.. but he said his memory is foggy on when exactly it was

Was he in custody when he told them about his friend who bragged about it?

 

[Bookkeeper2]

They didn’t have enough info.....look at Bible/Freeman case. So many parallels to this one... sometimes there’s just not quite enough evidence though you do “know” who the players are. Hopefully someone comes forward with tangible knowledge or a piece of clothing/DNA item.... praying that happens

Agree Arkansas, not enough info/proof. Without bodies - 1992 - extremely difficult for GJ to hand down indictments and/or prosecute homicide. Also praying for tangible evidence - current science and technology is catching up - making a successful prosecution less difficult.

BK

 

[ArkansasTimeTraveler]

Agree Arkansas, not enough info/proof. Without bodies - 1992 - extremely difficult for GJ to hand down indictments and/or prosecute homicide. Also praying for tangible evidence - current science and technology is catching up - making a successful prosecution less difficult.

BK

You nailed it...