MO - Sherrill Levitt, 47, Suzie Streeter, 19, & Stacy McCall, 18, Springfield, 7 June 1992 #14

[ArkansasTimeTraveler]

I agree completely. The exhausting of the original theory of multiple perps that led nowhere and no one talking, the only certain way to keep this crime hidden was for one person to have committed this crime. Plus there is no certain motive.

Actually the lone perp theory and janelle conspiracies are more exhausting.... i trust the path the cops were on.... usually it's right.

You fail to answer how Garrison has intimate details of the crime if he wasnt near any of the players at one point....answer that one please.

But the police have settled on the “sexual assault” theory and referred to the perpetrator as a single male. The original theory seem to have been abandoned.

Not true.. Mountjoy and Moore's statements disagree (well after the 1995 sexual assault summary)... no one denied sexual assault happening......not the true motive of why perps left the house and headed to delmar that night....

 

[ArkansasTimeTraveler]

@Missouri Mule

Can you answer this question straight up: how does Garrison know intimate details if he's not connected to the perp(s)??

Explain this headline..without being dismissive

Detective Thomas was on a wild goose chase with garrison for no reason? I think not!

How did judges sign off on warrants multiple times if he had nothing valuable??

 

[Missouri Mule]

@Missouri Mule

Can you answer this question straight up: how does Garrison know intimate details if he's not connected to the perp(s)??

Explain this headline..without being dismissive

Detective Thomas was on a wild goose chase with garrison for no reason? I think not!

How did judges sign off on warrants multiple times if he had nothing valuable??

I was not privy to the meeting with Garrison. I know next to nothing about what he said. I’ve never talked to Doug Thomas.

It would be my suggestion to contact the folks who could answer your questions. I only talked to him for approximately 10 minutes when he called me from prison to assure me that he was not threatening me. That call was obviously recorded. You might inquire of the prison personnel and ask them for a transcript of what he said.

Best wishes for your quest for these answers. I’m sorry but I do not know.

P.S. I do not know directly or indirectly if in fact he knows “intimate details” of the case. I do not believe he does, personally.

 

[ArkansasTimeTraveler]

The big problem people have with Garrison thing is that people think cops are going to publish every little detail about the case and their investigation and they arent....they simply arent

But theres a reason they kept looking into him and players around him even in 2002 when they did their last dig on this case....cant get warrants or grand jury subpeonas without having something tangible..

Cox didnt get warrants or subpeoneas.
None of the Teen Clean crew got warrants or subpeoneas.
Not Larry Hall
Not Bartt

One man and his two friends... this wasn't a Barney Fife "throw a dart at the usual suspects" kind of thing.....thats not how any of this works.. he had intimate details. plain and simple.

 

[Catmommy]

"Intimate details" does not imply correct details. I could easily spin an intimate detail story involving what the perp/perps were wearing at the time, what the motive was, what the obscene phone calls were about and even what the victims said; all " intimate details" but none of it true and no way of proving that one way or the other, if you follow my drift. Garrison has yielded nothing but "intimate details" as far as any of us know. No physical or "conclusive" proof has been recovered based on his tales. And that's all I think they are.

 

[TexasT]

The Florida caller to AMW had “ prime knowledge “ . Must be a relative of Steve’s & got threatened by some OMG gooses to stay quiet .

 

[Alfonsina Storni]

I agree completely. The exhausting of the original theory of multiple perps that led nowhere and no one talking, the only certain way to keep this crime hidden was for one person to have committed this crime. Plus there is no certain motive.

But the police have settled on the “sexual assault” theory and referred to the perpetrator as a single male. The original theory seem to have been abandoned.

In any event I share your view the perp is here. It is my opinion he attempts to steer the conversation in directions away from him.

I could be wrong but I do believe the police know who he is but not the evidence to put him away.

This of course is my opinion only.

This is what I think: when the profiler (the first one) talked about perps and when police declared in the media that there are people who know something is because there are people who may not be involved in the actual crime, but in the cover up or destruction of evidence. Now, when I think why the witnesses or the accomplices of the crime would not come forward, is because, maybe, just , maybe, they may be closely related to the criminal (I agree he is a man). People can keep their mouths shut due to fear or love/respect/reputation.

 

[Alfonsina Storni]

Yes most violent crimes...the first place to look when it comes to female victims, is the men in their lives. Husband/boyfriend. Common for sure... however this was three females with two friends and two related...distinguished a bit.. different ages too..

Multiple victim crimes that arent serial killer (serial killers usually leave a trace and caught...DNA would have brought someone up by now if that were the case) and people like Stayner happened in isolated places and he was caught immediately and left evidence....this crime was carefully planned and executed with the one variable being Stacy...imo... groups of people are usually taken out by organized gangs...it's why they had MOCIC look into this case for over a year..

Mike Clay was 19, Recla was 20, Riedel was 21 in 1992... and Recla knew a lot of people at the high school...so did his brother Johnny. Riedel and Clay were outsiders from IL.. but had friends from the area..At least Clay did since he was in Springfield a bit and his sister was there

bottom line the cops say multiple times (paraphrase) "Steven Garrison has information private to the case/only known by detectives/SPD"... how does a criminal released from KS prison 3 weeks prior get intimate knowledge of the crime??...

Now that you mention this Steven Garrison, I also wonder what he may know. It is difficult for me to understand certain aspects of the legal system in the United States. So I´ll ask you, was Garrison the person accused in the grand jury? Was he the only one or were there other people accused?(Ivé read there were 3 but found no names. Not sure If I understood this correctly). He has not been sent to trial, so, I assume the accusation was dismissed. My question is therefore: why the police won´t talk about the information he supposedly provided and do they still believe he´s a suspect? Another question: what is a gag order? I googled and found nothing. Why is that so important? Thanks.

 

[ArkansasTimeTraveler]

Gag order is something that judges order to keep quiet... this case is unique and all the gag orders are around dig related items that connect to Garrison in some way.. Detective Thomas claims a release of the gag order would let their whole investigation be known and an “epic list of names”

The grand jury had many people, three suspects (the other two were found out by sleuths and not posted publicly—KY3 gave two descriptions of them and people online were able to dig into the KS prison system and find them))

grand jurys are not always to convict someone, these three had provable information about the crime and the jury/cops wanted that information... but it wasnt quite enough to go to trial....Recla, Clay, and Riedel, along with Recla’s girlfriend at the time and her mother were also asked questions at the GJ..

if u don’t believe the cops were in a wild goose chase and were acting on good info.....one can surmise the answers lie in this group of people

 

[Missouri Mule]

The above information is correct.

I do not believe, however, that these individuals were involved. If and when I see even one scintilla of evidence to the contrary I will believe.

 

[ArkansasTimeTraveler]

The above information is correct.

I do not believe, however, that these individuals were involved. If and when I see even one scintilla of evidence to the contrary I will believe.

How do you know what’s in the gag order?? How did Garrison know private details if not involved on some level? I mean doesn’t that prove he at least knows the ones who did it??

your evidence is right in front of you with judge warrants and gag orders but you’re being stubborn, and I mean that respectively... look forward to your response Mule

 

[ArkansasTimeTraveler]

Only 5 years jail time ? People reguarly evade, fight/Kill Police for misdmeanors. Anyone that would pluck fillings from a corpse has already shown deviant behavior. I believe The first Officer that responded to his residence also observed what was reported as satanic paraphanialia. That was later removed. This wasn't a teen that was toliet papering the neighbors houses. Clay's alibi was never "confirmed or denied" and can not be rulled out as a person of interest

Regards,
TT

@TexasT I saw you posted this in Thread 6.... you're right that Neal said Clay and Recla were never confirmed nor denied.... Asher also states this in People Mag show...

Do u still feel Clay should have gotten more than 5 years? What about Riedel getting even less time.... (probation)?

 

[Missouri Mule]

How do you know what’s in the gag order?? How did Garrison know private details if not involved on some level? I mean doesn’t that prove he at least knows the ones who did it??

your evidence is right in front of you with judge warrants and gag orders but you’re being stubborn, and I mean that respectively... look forward to your response Mule

I just don’t put any stock in any of that. In my opinion they were just the “usual suspects.” Name one “private detail” that Garrison knew if. I know of nothing.

If I knew what would connect any of them to the crime would be interested. Not seeing any.

In 28 years nothing leaking out? Unheard of.

 

[ArkansasTimeTraveler]

I just don’t put any stock in any of that. In my opinion they were just the “usual suspects.” Name one “private detail” that Garrison knew if. I know of nothing.

If I knew what would connect any of them to the crime would be interested. Not seeing any.

In 28 years nothing leaking out? Unheard of.

this isnt a movie...."usual suspects" doesnt work that way. Judges signed off on not one, but two digs.. and had gag orders on the info for a reason...

The info he knew is not known to the public for a reasons....cops asked it not to be. So thats why you dont get to know what it is

you may "not see any" but, you're not the investigator on this case and you havent been shared all the case files so how can you even speak on that? Respectively asking...

 

[Talullah]

this isnt a movie...."usual suspects" doesnt work that way. Judges signed off on not one, but two digs.. and had gag orders on the info for a reason...

The info he knew is not known to the public for a reasons....cops asked it not to be. So thats why you dont get to know what it is

you may "not see any" but, you're not the investigator on this case and you havent been shared all the case files so how can you even speak on that? Respectively asking...

Do you have links for this information?

 

[Missouri Mule]

this isnt a movie...."usual suspects" doesnt work that way. Judges signed off on not one, but two digs.. and had gag orders on the info for a reason...

The info he knew is not known to the public for a reasons....cops asked it not to be. So thats why you dont get to know what it is

you may "not see any" but, you're not the investigator on this case and you havent been shared all the case files so how can you even speak on that? Respectively asking...

Common sense.

Until I see something tangible I don’t think any of these guys were involved. I go with the last statement of the police in 1992. One male kidnapper. I’m not going to chase down every rabbit hole that yields nothing.

My source told me years ago and he viewed the actual name. It wasn’t a guess but complete knowledge and although he personally tracked him over 10 years, nothing changed. He said that although there was some DNA found there was nothing definitive to indict the perp. He said if there was any useable DNA the case “would have been slammed shut a long time ago.”

So long as he continues to clam up he is home free. The prosecution knows they only have one bite of the apple so must have him nailed down tight. I am also convinced he is or has been on this site.

If I had any say-so about the case I would contact every person who was at the party that night. I would bet my life they have undisclosed information that would speed closure of this case.

 

[Alfonsina Storni]

Gag order is something that judges order to keep quiet... this case is unique and all the gag orders are around dig related items that connect to Garrison in some way.. Detective Thomas claims a release of the gag order would let their whole investigation be known and an “epic list of names”

The grand jury had many people, three suspects (the other two were found out by sleuths and not posted publicly—KY3 gave two descriptions of them and people online were able to dig into the KS prison system and find them))

grand jurys are not always to convict someone, these three had provable information about the crime and the jury/cops wanted that information... but it wasnt quite enough to go to trial....Recla, Clay, and Riedel, along with Recla’s girlfriend at the time and her mother were also asked questions at the GJ..

if u don’t believe the cops were in a wild goose chase and were acting on good info.....one can surmise the answers lie in this group of people

Wow. First, I´d like to thank you for taking the time to explain all the legal aspects, unknown to a foreigner. So, you mean that the grand jury was summoned to get information from Garrison (more or less). But, I´m missing something here. How the police connected this case with Garrison in the first place? Did he reported something to the police officially as a witness or what?
Clay, Recla and Riedel were asked questions as witnesses because they knew Garrison then (or that´s what the police believe/have confirmed). I´ve read that some of these people denied the connection with him. I understood that the names of the other 2 males were not released because it may tamper with the investigation.
For this reason, I would like to mention that, after reading a lot, I found the names on line. Not going to write them here. And I´m not sure whether these names correspond to the people actually named in the grand jury. However, why would anyone (claiming to have inside info) would say the real names or would make up something like that? Could that person be charged for doing so?
This case is so strange. There are so many people saying serious things openly and in more cryptic way. Isn´t that suspicious?

 

[Alfonsina Storni]

Common sense.

Until I see something tangible I don’t think any of these guys were involved. I go with the last statement of the police in 1992. One male kidnapper. I’m not going to chase down every rabbit hole that yields nothing.

My source told me years ago and he viewed the actual name. It wasn’t a guess but complete knowledge and although he personally tracked him over 10 years, nothing changed. He said that although there was some DNA found there was nothing definitive to indict the perp. He said if there was any useable DNA the case “would have been slammed shut a long time ago.”

So long as he continues to clam up he is home free. The prosecution knows they only have one bite of the apple so must have him nailed down tight. I am also convinced he is or has been on this site.

If I had any say-so about the case I would contact every person who was at the party that night. I would bet my life they have undisclosed information that would speed closure of this case.

Interesting. This is not the first time you wrote this. I also believe that, if Garrison would have known something that would have led the investigators to obtain substancial evidence, then they would have prosecuted him, right? Now, I am curious about the evidence. Was the DNA found at the house or somewhere else? I have read many articles in which the police say they haven´t found evidence. So, this is good news. Why they can´t get a sample from the man? Do you know if your suspect knows/has a close relationship with people from the parties? This is my theory.

 

[ArkansasTimeTraveler]

Interesting. This is not the first time you wrote this. I also believe that, if Garrison would have known something that would have led the investigators to obtain substancial evidence, then they would have prosecuted him, right? Now, I am curious about the evidence. Was the DNA found at the house or somewhere else? I have read many articles in which the police say they haven´t found evidence. So, this is good news. Why they can´t get a sample from the man? Do you know if your suspect knows/has a close relationship with people from the parties? This is my theory.

But Garrison doesnt have to be the one guilty of the crime for GJ to question him.......it just means he has knowledge somehow, some way and the GJ wanted to get that out of him.....they just dont have enough to build a case....doesnt mean there wasnt something to it

 

[Missouri Mule]

Interesting. This is not the first time you wrote this. I also believe that, if Garrison would have known something that would have led the investigators to obtain substancial evidence, then they would have prosecuted him, right? Now, I am curious about the evidence. Was the DNA found at the house or somewhere else? I have read many articles in which the police say they haven´t found evidence. So, this is good news. Why they can´t get a sample from the man? Do you know if your suspect knows/has a close relationship with people from the parties? This is my theory.

My source implied it was from DNA from the home. But if it can’t be matched to anyone it is sitting out there until it can be matched.

My personal opinion is that he did not have a close personal relationship with the family.

I’ve heard all kinds of things about Garrison but I’m not seeing anything that connects to him.

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