MO MO - St Louis, UncFem Fetus, UP17448, in suitcase in pond, Apr'17

[OkieGranny]

http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/rema...louis-county-are-bones-of-an-infant/431671643

According to St. Louis County Police, fishermen located what appeared to be human remains around 9:15 p.m. Saturday while fishing in a residential lake...

So far, the investigation has revealed the remains to be that of an unidentified infant.

But authorities haven’t determined an age or gender. Also unclear is how the child might have ended up in the water.

 

[4SAM]

Thanks for adding this to the forum!!

 

[carbuff]

So sad

 

[creepedout]

Area case:

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/7583/

 

[carbuff]

This appears to be the area where the remains were found, per the article in post #1: https://goo.gl/maps/UcDUWPxhEGr

Gegar Byrd's Charley page, with details about how and when he disappeared:
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/byrd_gebar.html

 

[creepedout]

The address listed in TCP is 13.5 miles from the location believe to be the discovery location in the map above. However, if the child was in the mother's arms when she was pushed into the Mississippi River as TCP describes, then this could not be related. I wonder how they concluded that that is what happened.

Map of the locations:

https://goo.gl/maps/FvxCB7mRsUp

 

[carbuff]

The address listed in TCP is 13.5 miles from the location believe to be the discovery location in the map above. However, if the child was in the mother's arms when she was pushed into the Mississippi River as TCP describes, then this could not be related. I wonder how they concluded that that is what happened.

Map of the locations:

https://goo.gl/maps/FvxCB7mRsUp

One of the articles implied that the father said that's what happened.

Besides the distance, Byrd disappeared 7 years ago. I don't think it would still be a body in the water after that length of time. This is probably someone who disappeared more recently, if they were reported at all. Sadly, it's probably another parental murder...

 

[creepedout]

One of the articles implied that the father said that's what happened.

Besides the distance, Byrd disappeared 7 years ago. I don't think it would still be a body in the water after that length of time. This is probably someone who disappeared more recently, if they were reported at all. Sadly, it's probably another parental murder...

Is it confirmed that the body was actually in the water, or just found in the area of it? Unfortunately, the media usually isn't great at clarifying.

 

[4SAM]

I believe they said the body was found in the water

 

[Dr.Strangelove]

http://bit.ly/2oxoMwz

( Sent from KMOV News )

Body found in leather duffel bag in the lake

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J320A using Tapatalk

 

[4SAM]

I found this infant missing from Kansas. Hope the link works as I have never done this. This may be a long shot as his father was traveling from Kansas to Texas. But you never know.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/moore_vincent.html

 

[carbuff]

This article indicates the remains are an infant black girl: Remains found in bag in lake were those of black infant girl

There's also a picture of the duffel.

I couldn't find her in Namus.

 

[carbuff]

She still doesn't seem to be in Namus or the Missouri unidentified remains list.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

She still doesn't seem to be in Namus or the Missouri unidentified remains list.

Could she have been identified then?

 

[carbuff]

Could she have been identified then?

Quite possibly. The case could also be there but not visible to the public. And some LE agencies don't list cases unless they have reason to think there's an out of the area person involved.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Quite possibly. The case could also be there but not visible to the public. And some LE agencies don't list cases unless they have reason to think there's an out of the area person involved.

I knew some agencies don't list their cases (though I think they should), but I didn't know some were there only visible to LE and not the public. That's interesting.

 

[carbuff]

I knew some agencies don't list their cases (though I think they should), but I didn't know some were there only visible to LE and not the public. That's interesting.

Yeah, some agencies apparently think the public is more nuisance than help when it comes to solving cases.

 

[iulia]

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

#UP17448
Date Body Found April 15, 2017
ME/C Case Number 2017-2873

Sex Female
Race/Ethnicity Uncertain
Estimated Age Group Fetus
Estimated Year of Death 2017
Estimated PMI Months
Height Cannot Estimate
Weight Cannot Estimate

Location Saint Louis, Missouri 63034
County St. Louis County

Circumstances of Recovery Fetal remains discovered inside of suitcase in neighborhood pond.

Inventory of Remains All parts recovered
Condition of Remains Not recognizable - Decomposing/putrefaction

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Thanks, @iulia .
So is sadly seems she hasn't been identified. The NamUs case was created in 2018.

 

[Goecke]

The news article says she was full-term, but NamUs says fetal remains? I wonder which one it is. I'm hoping this is a case of a miscarriage/stillbirth instead of the alternative...