Found Deceased MO - Toni Anderson, 20, North Kansas City, 15 Jan 2017 #4

[thekarmabus]

Simple. Hide the car in your garage until the case dies down. Especially if you own 20 acres in the country somewhere.

But imo. Why deactivate the gps and not the phone until hours later?

These two items could be separate reasons. Could she have disabled the GPS after the stop at QT in fear knowing she did not want to be tracked? I know this system more than likely did not track her but fear plays in ones mind when anxious and logical thinking goes out the window. She had past run ins with LE and my guess if she was going to do something or meet someone that could throw her in the midst of being prosecuted by connection she turned it off. Assume Toni disconnected and person(s) connected with disappearance turned off phone.


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[AceDetective]

I assume it depends on who is stripping the car. If there was a garage involved or a place to store it a car could be parted out at different times. Once it's totally stripped... one could file off all vin# left. I believe there are between 14-17 for most new cars. If you are in that business you slide the salvage yard a 50 and the car is scrapped or made into a nice metal cube for recycling.

You can't just slip them a $50. The rules do vary by state, but they would be taking a huge risk to take a VIN-less car from somebody they don't know for $50.

It's only easy if you know someone. For most people, getting rid of a car is not easy. There are generally laws in place to try and prevent exactly that.

Look at Todd Kohlhepp. The murder victim's car was found on his property 2 months later.

And the thing is, even if you know somebody, can you trust them enough to take your 2014 Black Ford Focus? That's a good way to get caught.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Let me guess.

Some new homeboys bought drugs from Pete and Toni.

But they decided to kidnap Toni for later activities since Pete was a simpleton that allowed his girlfriend to be happy around new guys that she doesn't know

 

[thekarmabus]

You can't just slip them a $50. The rules do vary by state, but they would be taking a huge risk to take a VIN-less car from somebody they don't know for $50.

It's only easy if you know someone. For most people, getting rid of a car is not easy. There are generally laws in place to try and prevent exactly that.

Look at Todd Kohlhepp. The murder victim's car was found on his property 2 months later.

And the thing is, even if you know somebody, can you trust them enough to take your 2014 Black Ford Focus? That's a good way to get caught.

Agreed. It's all in who you know. It happens quite often.


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[Heyits_tay04]

I assume it depends on who is stripping the car. If there was a garage involved or a place to store it a car could be parted out at different times. Once it's totally stripped... one could file off all vin# left. I believe there are between 14-17 for most new cars. If you are in that business you slide the salvage yard a 50 and the car is scrapped or made into a nice metal cube for recycling.


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Exactly my thoughts. Especially if there's multiple people doing it. I know I can have taillights disconnected and off a truck in 5-10 minutes.


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Justice for Susan Winters.

 

[AceDetective]

Simple. Hide the car in your garage until the case dies down. Especially if you own 20 acres in the country somewhere.

But imo. Why deactivate the gps and not the phone until hours later?

It would seem the battery in the phone simply died. It is *very* strange that nobody seems to have turned off the phone, isn't it?

I see a few possibilities:
- The phone was discarded. Could have been tossed in the garbage or woods somewhere. Either by Toni or a bad guy.
- Somehow the bad guy didn't see the phone. You would think in this case police would have found the car with it, though.
- Perhaps she wanted the phone for navigation.
- She could have been messaging with some messaging app.

It would sure be interesting to see the tower data for those last hours.

 

[Plombage]

I keep seeing people post that you have to have $150 in your account to be able to pay at the pump for gas at QT. I don't know where this is coming from because I've been getting gas at QuikTrip for the last 15 to 20 years and believe me there's been quite a few times when I have not had $150 in my account and I've always been able to pay at the pump.

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[thekarmabus]

I keep seeing people post that you have to have $150 in your account to be able to pay at the pump for gas at QT. I don't know where this is coming from because I've been getting gas at QuikTrip for the last 15 to 20 years and believe me there's been quite a few times when I have not had $150 in my account and I've always been able to pay at the pump.

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My guess is that is based on what time it is. Someone pumping at 3am likely has a higher probability of pumping and running


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[MaxManning]

My guess is that is based on what time it is. Someone pumping at 3am likely has a higher probability of pumping and running


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I think it's likely based on the establishment's discretion. Location and time of day could play a part obviously. I have been to gas stations that will let you pump before you pay 24/7. Those are typically in nicer neighborhoods of course.

But I can't say I've ever known $150 to be needed to pump. I think $30-$40 is likely more realistic, which is closer to cost of a tank of gas.

 

[Jerrod]

You can't just slip them a $50. The rules do vary by state, but they would be taking a huge risk to take a VIN-less car from somebody they don't know for $50.

It's only easy if you know someone. For most people, getting rid of a car is not easy. There are generally laws in place to try and prevent exactly that.

Look at Todd Kohlhepp. The murder victim's car was found on his property 2 months later.

And the thing is, even if you know somebody, can you trust them enough to take your 2014 Black Ford Focus? That's a good way to get caught.

Stashing a car in a garage where you keep your cutting torch is a good strategy. Anyone capable of murder-kidnapping is likely to have a resource for disposing of a vehicle. Some even appear brazen enough to crush a car with the bodies in it. (Aaron Brock, Beau DeWitt)

 

[MaxManning]

Stashing a car in a garage where you keep your cutting torch is a good strategy. Anyone capable of murder-kidnapping is likely to have a resource for disposing of a vehicle. Some even appear brazen enough to crush a car with the bodies in it. (Aaron Brock, Beau DeWitt)

That's the thing, I think if we are thinking this is a drug business related disappearance, what would be the motive?

Someone thinks she's a snitch?
She owes money?

In either case, I would think that whoever it was, likely has done something of this nature in the past.

Also, find it hard to believe that someone is going to get kidnapped etc for a small amount of money.

Obviously drug scenario is not the only possibility, but if we are following that scenario, I think it's reasonable to think that they have a plan in regards to the car.

Lastly, doesn't seem like KC LE is all that skilled at finding anything that a civilian search party didn't point them to or anything that didn't get pointed out to them by a civilian that happens upon a body or burnt out car.

 

[thekarmabus]

That's the thing, I think if we are thinking this is a drug business related disappearance, what would be the motive?

Someone thinks she's a snitch?
She owes money?

In either case, I would think that whoever it was, likely has done something of this nature in the past.

Also, find it hard to believe that someone is going to get kidnapped etc for a small amount of money.

Obviously drug scenario is not the only possibility, but if we are following that scenario, I think it's reasonable to think that they have a plan in regards to the car.

Lastly, doesn't seem like KC LE is all that skilled at finding anything that a civilian search party didn't point them to or anything that didn't get pointed out to them by a civilian that happens upon a body or burnt out car.

I think the thought that she was a snitch is feasible. I know there are those that feel HT is involved... Toni seems like a girl with an opinion, attitude if need be and strong. One must have some street wits to work in that industry. I don't see it being HT.


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[MaxManning]

I think the thought that she was a snitch is feasible. I know there are those that feel HT is involved... Toni seems like a girl with an opinion, attitude if need be and strong. One must have some street wits to work in that industry. I don't see it being HT.


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I agree, although I must admit I am not all that informed about HT, although have done some reading on it since it was brought up as a possibility in this case.

From what I gather, human trafficking seems to more often prey on those without alot of alternatives. ie runaways, drug addicts, foreign nationals etc. I saw a study in chicago that stated 56 percent of their prostitution cases involved runaways. 32% were foreign nationals.

So while I don't think it's crazy to think that Toni could have fell victim to that, it doesn't seem statistically likely. But again, I am not expert on this and for all I know KC is a hotbed for HTers that preys on people like Toni.

But it seems we factually know she was possibly going to prison and ended up never being charged at all. We also know she was hiding for a while in Witchita after that situation and then moved to KC.

People who hide, sometimes get found. People who snitch, sometimes get found out. We don't even have to look beyond KC in the last year to find examples of this kind of scenario.

 

[AceDetective]

Pete said the Andersons are doing an interview on Sunday. We can only hope.

 

[heartgoesout]

Was it the boyfriend or her that hid out for awhile?

 

[MaxManning]

Was it the boyfriend or her that hid out for awhile?

She had said on social media that she was. Although it's possible it was both of them. The boyfriend notes he had to be in hiding as well for a while.

 

[heartgoesout]

I remember the bf saying it was a 6 month hiding. I took hers as more rhetorical. Am I wrong?

 

[n_6CC]

If the van belonged to the Medical Examiner that was heading to a death scene. Then why didn't the medical examiner make a statement about the confusion with the young lady.

Plus what medical examiner would block her off and chase after her?

I wonder if the medical examiner was a customer that seen his favorite dancer while he was headed to a crime scene.

Or maybe this dancer somewhat lied to get more people to view her Facebook page during the investigation of the Toni Anderson case. Idk.

If this story had any merit, it would most likely be a stolen tag. All I can say is deflection.


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[n_6CC]

I keep seeing people post that you have to have $150 in your account to be able to pay at the pump for gas at QT. I don't know where this is coming from because I've been getting gas at QuikTrip for the last 15 to 20 years and believe me there's been quite a few times when I have not had $150 in my account and I've always been able to pay at the pump.

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Depends on location and time


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[n_6CC]

How is it easy to get rid of a stripped car connected to a major crime?

Depends on who you work for.......very easy actually. Crusher, driving it over state lines and having your associates take care of it. A criminal will find a way to dispose of a car. Otherwise, they may as well turn themselves in. Happens everyday. All over the Mid-west, West-Coast etc.


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