Found Deceased MO - Toni Anderson, 20, North Kansas City, 15 Jan 2017 #4

[MrX]

We were told that Toni was alone at the QuikTrip and left alone. Also, we were told the device stopped working while at the QuikTrip. It can only be her who disabled the device.

...and we've been told by LE that Toni's device only tracked speed, not location, and her father was quoted as saying that the device may not have been functioning.

I talked to a guy who installed and monitored ignition interlocks (breathalyzers) required after a DUI. He said most of his time was spent with replacements and malfunctions. I can't imagine the little insurance box being any more reliable - especially in a KC winter.

 

[AceDetective]

So, I guess I'm back to my original theory. I see no other options. I'm always willing to go where the evidence leads, but it is going nowhere.

For a variety of reasons, I don't like any of the theories being offered. It is highly, *highly* unlikely that Toni went to an industrial area in North Kansas City for a drug transaction. NKC is crawling with cops, and you would stick out like a sore thumb. Terrible location. I also find it highly unlikely that Toni turned west when she meant to turn east. I can only see one reason for Tony to end up on that road...

Back to my theory that nobody likes: Toni is suffering some kind of psychotic break.

She is looking for a familiar body shop near the QuikTrip on 31st, but goes to the wrong QuikTrip. She turns left onto W 26, says "this ain't right," cranks a u-turn and thinks she has to go further on Burlington. While she's waiting for the light, an officer conducts a traffic stop and directs her to the QuikTrip for gas. So she gets gas. While doing so she realizes it is the wrong QuikTrip. She consults her phone once again and once again selects the wrong QuikTrip. This time she's going to the QuikTrip just north of Parkville. Or maybe even the nearby "QuikTrip Park." She gets more and more confused and ends up just driving aimlessly...

This scenario could possibly end in a tragic traffic accident, just as police believe. Or other ways.

Anyway, I think I'm going to take a break from this case. Spending too much time on it... I'm out...

 

[msphilosopher]

So, I guess I'm back to my original theory. I see no other options. I'm always willing to go where the evidence leads, but it is going nowhere.

For a variety of reasons, I don't like any of the theories being offered. It is highly, *highly* unlikely that Toni went to an industrial area in North Kansas City for a drug transaction. NKC is crawling with cops, and you would stick out like a sore thumb. Terrible location. I also find it highly unlikely that Toni turned west when she meant to turn east. I can only see one reason for Tony to end up on that road...

Back to my theory that nobody likes: Toni is suffering some kind of psychotic break.

She is looking for a familiar body shop near the QuikTrip on 31st, but goes to the wrong QuikTrip. She turns left onto W 26, says "this ain't right," cranks a u-turn and thinks she has to go further on Burlington. While she's waiting for the light, an officer conducts a traffic stop and directs her to the QuikTrip for gas. So she gets gas. While doing so she realizes it is the wrong QuikTrip. She consults her phone once again and once again selects the wrong QuikTrip. This time she's going to the QuikTrip just north of Parkville. Or maybe even the nearby "QuikTrip Park." She gets more and more confused and ends up just driving aimlessly...

This scenario could possibly end in a tragic traffic accident, just as police believe. Or other ways.

Anyway, I think I'm going to take a break from this case. Spending too much time on it... I'm out...

AceDetective, before you go... why is she trying to find a familiar body shop?

Did I miss this?

 

[heartgoesout]

I've reviewed that surveillance video many times, by the way, and Toni is definitely stopped at the light before the traffic stop even happens. Assuming that is, in fact, Toni. She is also in the left lane, at the least (it kinda looks like she's on the wrong side of the road, but I don't think so.) That kind of blows away the whole theory that she went down W 26 Ave so that she could turn right onto Burlington and use the Commerce Bank ATM. She's either going straight through the light (to the QuikTrip or residential area), or turning left onto Burlington (headed north). It also makes it so that we don't know that Toni pulled a u-turn. She could have come from the industrial area.

So what was she doing down there? I doubt she was lost.

Also, she left Chrome at 4:11, and the traffic stop was at 4:25, so that gives her 14 minutes to make a trip that google says takes 14 minutes. So she hadn't been in the area long. Had she already met up with someone? It sure seems like it.

direct link to video:
http://cf.c.ooyala.com/p0MnMyOTE6JV...Rg4gtDEwOmk2OjBrO6qGv_?_=4zhbpzx7cb7iy8uuwhfr

Wait, I'm confused. If the trip takes 14 minutes and the traffic stop was exactly at 14 minutes, how could she fit in meeting with someone already?

 

[MrX]

It's simply too hard to go unseen in today's world. As Steven Spielberg said - he used to believe in flying saucers until virtually everybody on Earth started carrying phones with picture and video capability, and zero evidence has been captured. Either someone wants to remain hidden - as is the theory with Robert Fischer - or someone else wants your body hidden - as is the theory with Michelle Parker. That would rule out accident.

As a skip tracer once told me - "we know everything about you as soon as you order a pizza." I can't see Toni remaining off the grid this long, which would rule out running away.

If it was a drug debt, I'd suspect the body to be found as an example - victim of a perfect crime with no murder weapon and interlocking alibis. That leaves a crime of passion committed by somebody with the wherewithal to hide a body and a car.

 

[iluvmua]

Do you think she is still alive ?

 

[MaxManning]

Back to my theory that nobody likes: Toni is suffering some kind of psychotic break.

Nothing would surprise me more than if she had a psychotic break. But I do see how everyone can see the case differently.

My current probability list is :

Snitch scenario, where Toni is either a CI or believed to be a CI by drug dealer.
Drug related - a debt owed.
Human Trafficking
Prostitution related
Stalker
Accident
Disappeared on purpose to escape some kind of danger in her life.
Law Enforcement Corruption - tons of holes, inconsistencies and changes in what LE has said over the course of this case.


I don't know who it was that originally brought up the CI/Snitch scenario, but it's the only one imo that answers just about every question reasonably and even explains weird behavior by LE and family. I didn't think it was all that probable when it was first mentioned, but after learning about the topic a bit more, it seems to fit the profile rather well from all angles.

I ranked accident lower than I think many will, and mostly because of the GPS aspect. Also, it's puzzling to me why LE wouldn't just release that dascham and QT surveillance footage if they truly think it was most likely an accident.

I do still hold out hope that she just took off. I think it's low probability, but not crazy. If you think about it, it's the escape plan to my #1 probability on the list. But I rank it low, because I would have thought she would have made some mistakes that led to that being a bit more obvious.

 

[heartgoesout]

I still think she met with someone that ended in a sexual assault and murder. I sure hope I'm wrong.

 

[KMD_KC]

Nothing would surprise me more than if she had a psychotic break. But I do see how everyone can see the case differently.

My current probability list is :

Snitch scenario, where Toni is either a CI or believed to be a CI by drug dealer.
Drug related - a debt owed.
Human Trafficking
Prostitution related
Stalker
Accident
Disappeared on purpose to escape some kind of danger in her life.
Law Enforcement Corruption - tons of holes, inconsistencies and changes in what LE has said over the course of this case.


I don't know who it was that originally brought up the CI/Snitch scenario, but it's the only one imo that answers just about every question reasonably and even explains weird behavior by LE and family. I didn't think it was all that probable when it was first mentioned, but after learning about the topic a bit more, it seems to fit the profile rather well from all angles.

I ranked accident lower than I think many will, and mostly because of the GPS aspect. Also, it's puzzling to me why LE wouldn't just release that dascham and QT surveillance footage if they truly think it was most likely an accident.

I do still hold out hope that she just took off. I think it's low probability, but not crazy. If you think about it, it's the escape plan to my #1 probability on the list. But I rank it low, because I would have thought she would have made some mistakes that led to that being a bit more obvious.

Completely agree with your CI/snitch scenario. Nothing else makes sense at this point.

 

[heartgoesout]

I'm not quite on board with the snitch theory. My question is what would be different is she was? Then what? What would have happened? She still interacted with the same people that day.

 

[heartgoesout]

Ace, you are in way too deep with us, don't leave!

 

[MaxManning]

I'm not quite on board with the snitch theory. My question is what would be different is she was? Then what? What would have happened? She still interacted with the same people that day.

Not quite sure what you are asking.

If she was seen to be a snitch, she simply would be lured to a location and killed and possibly put her car/body in a body of water.

You even have cases in KC such as the Hadden kid whose body they found just recently. Killers said they thought he was a snitch. Court documents released after his body was found, said he was indeed an informant. So... no confirmation of that *fact* until after the body was found.

So, you see with that case, him being a snitch was motivation to take him out to "parts unknown" and kill him. He wasn't found till 18 months later, and he was just in a ditch, not even buried or in a body of water.

I'm not clear on why her interacting with the same people that day would mean anything. It's pretty simple that the moment you are deemed a "snitch", the very next moment is when the plan emerges to handle making you disappear.

I'm not saying anything would be different if she was a snitch, I think what we know fits her potentially being a snitch or thought to be a snitch. So, not clear on what you are asking.

 

[heartgoesout]

I'm asking where is she then? Who done it? Being a snitch doesn't really change anything. It offers nothing more to finding her. Someone would have brought up some angry, shady snitch killer to look into weeks ago. So imo the circle of people doesn't change regardless if she was a prostitute, snitch, stripper, server, drug runner, etc... all the same players.

 

[MrX]

I'm not quite on board with the snitch theory. My question is what would be different is she was? Then what? What would have happened? She still interacted with the same people that day.

Exactly. None of these people sound like cartel kingpins. Like the "fake cop" theory - it's better suited to a work of fiction.

 

[msphilosopher]

Rambling post....

If she was an informant, 1) I don't think police would have pulled her over, especially if they are tracking her. The lane change seems like a bs pullover to me.... not random. 2) I don't think LE would be publishing an article saying that Toni most likely crashed her car in some desolate place. They would say they don't have any leads etc. etc.

I think Toni was targeted. You don't have an accident or meet a crime of passion with no trace of your car left behind. She was targeted by someone with a plan. I think she wasn't mindful for her safety as a personality flaw. She told her mom that she wouldn't drive out on the roads due to the weather, she's known to speed ALL the time, driving between 3 AM - 6 AM was a usual habit, possibly made frequent stops to an ATM in the wee hours depositing cash. I am not judging her career, but it is not the safest of jobs.... you're exposed to a bunch of weirdos...

I think the BIGGEST question mark concerning the details of the case is what in gods name was she doing at that specific QT? It's not the closest QT to her home, chrome, or the shady lady. It's extremely far north from all these places.

There was a specific reason she was there and to my knowledge no one knows why.

I think she was targeted by someone she knows, potentially a client where she can make 100% of the cash instead of tipping out the club, serves etc. Or by someone observing that she wasn't mindful of her safety, learned her routine and took advantage of that.

I also think targeted by a trafficker is plausible as well.

All in all, I think she was targeted in some way, shape or form.

 

[MaxManning]

I'm asking where is she then? Who done it? Being a snitch doesn't really change anything. It offers nothing more to finding her. Someone would have brought up some angry, shady snitch killer to look into weeks ago. So imo the circle of people doesn't change regardless if she was a prostitute, snitch, stripper, server, drug runner, etc... all the same players.

Some of those questions are not something I can answer or anyone on here for that matter if we don't even know who she buys drugs from etc. right?


What I have been saying all along is people are spending too much time on did she go to an atm, which way did she turn, etc etc etc

That's why I broke it down into motivations. Because if you do that, you can actually define the type of person you are looking for. Now do I know who she has around her? nope. do you? nope.

But... Law Enforcement does. Her friends/family/coworkers likely do.

So when you say giving a high probability to her being a snitch does nothing more to find her, that's not true. That provides a direction to investigate. Just the same as if you believe she had an accident, you would search the river and areas on roads that potentially she could have slid off of. They have yielded nothing, so even that helps you out.

So can I point you to the drug dealer? no. But I have to believe that someone in her life could. Do they want to? Do they want to explain how they know about this drug dealer? hell.. if she was a snitch, she could have been snitching on co-workers. Do they want to point a finger at someone that potentially leads back to them as a buyer? I think those all have obvious answers

Someone would have brought up some angry, shady snitch killer to look into weeks ago.

Really? I'd say that the exact reason they aren't, is the reason she might be a snitch. Snitches record the drug activity of people around them. ie -- people she works with at Shady Lady or Chrome. So why would those people want to point a finger that potentially points to them as being involved in illegal activity? If someone is a snitch, then those they are snitching on are the ones who should be fearful of what she is snitching about, right?

So... say Toni was a snitch and someone at shady lady or chrome knew this. Now, say they point their finger at a drug dealer she deals with. Wouldn't those people be worried about the drug dealer who just killed Toni potentially being upset that you are pointing the finger at them? It's common sense why others wouldn't say anything imo.

So everything that the parents are doing, friends, coworkers etc are doing, fits the profile of people that just don't want to to implicate themselves or put their own selves in danger.

So it's up to law enforcement to go beyond just simple questioning, and do actual investigating. Sadly, KC law enforcement seems to be a bit less than impressive at finding missing people. Maybe it's because they are too often unable to deduce what happened?

I haven't heard of a search north and northwest of KC where there is a bunch of secluded bodies of water and wooded areas. Jennifer Runions searches ended up finding bodies in areas such as that. why? because they are a good place to make a body disappear.

The hadden kid they found a few months ago went missing 18 months ago.

Mother said at the time he went missing :

“I know there is a chance that he might be dead,” Leisa Hadden said. “But the police are not telling me anything, and I just want the truth.”

Then.. when he is found dead, they find out he was indeed an informant/snitch.

 

[heartgoesout]

I see it as a male with some power (in her eyes) promised her something she couldn't refuse and it turned out too good to be true when he made an advance on her and she rejected him. Sexual assault and then he killed her.
I have nothing to support this really, it's just my hunch.

 

[heartgoesout]

Max, your scenarios still implicate the same players!
We'll agree to disagree. : )

 

[kstephens98]

You lot have some very interesting imaginations! 👍

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[MaxManning]

Exactly. None of these people sound like cartel kingpins. Like the "fake cop" theory - it's better suited to a work of fiction.

I think it's interesting that you would say that.

Again, I'll point you to the Hadden case, where the kid was just found a few months back after being gone 18 months. Did those guys seem like cartel kingpins??

Was that non-fiction enough for you?


The drug dealers thought he was a snitch. Took him out to the middle of nowhere, shot him, left him in a ditch.

mothers says :

“I know there is a chance that he might be dead,” Leisa Hadden said. “But the police are not telling me anything, and I just want the truth.”

18 months later his body is found and they get confessions from whaddya know... the drug dealers that he was around. Not cartel kingpins.


And then... the court releases documents that indeed he was an informant/snitch

Last time I checked, this wasn't fiction, but some hard facts from a case right there in KC area.


So, yes, I find it interesting that you'd suggest it as sounding fictional.

Now the fake cop theory, in itself is not fictional either. It happens quite a bit. If you'd like me to dig up a few stories, I'll do that.

I don't think this was a fake cop, however, I don't think it's crazy or bordering on "only happens in fiction" at all.