Found Deceased MO - Toni Anderson, 20, North Kansas City, 15 Jan 2017 #4

[heartgoesout]

And I completely believe that the angry shady snitch killers name would come up, just as the J's have, and all the other characters that have popped up. Somehow, someway, the name would come about.

 

[MaxManning]

Max, your scenarios still implicate the same players!
We'll agree to disagree. : )

Oh, I see what you are saying. Sorry for misunderstanding.

I thought you meant it'd be same players as human trafficking, stalker, prostitution etc. In those cases, no. Not at all. Those could be very different people. Which is why I earlier gave a list of the possibilities in order of probability.

If I thought this was a stalker, prostitution, or human trafficking, I'd be focusing on different people.

A stalker would be patrons in the places she worked.

Prostitution would be johns for whatever place she escorted for.

Human Trafficking would likely be someone she owed in some way or even again a patron from the places she worked.

So.. no, not the same people necessarily. I am specifically talking about a drug dealer.

 

[MaxManning]

I see it as a male with some power (in her eyes) promised her something she couldn't refuse and it turned out too good to be true when he made an advance on her and she rejected him. Sexual assault and then he killed her.
I have nothing to support this really, it's just my hunch.

I see that as reasonable. It also makes sense why she might not tell others about him.

 

[Deleted member 155000]

I still think she met with someone that ended in a sexual assault and murder. I sure hope I'm wrong.

I think the car accident theory is very plausible.

Given her involvement in a high risk scene, however, I do strongly consider that she met someone and exchanged drugs/sex...and was either intentionally or accidentally killed (even an OD).

 

[Deleted member 155000]

Rambling post....

If she was an informant, 1) I don't think police would have pulled her over, especially if they are tracking her. The lane change seems like a bs pullover to me.... not random. 2) I don't think LE would be publishing an article saying that Toni most likely crashed her car in some desolate place. They would say they don't have any leads etc. etc.

I think Toni was targeted. You don't have an accident or meet a crime of passion with no trace of your car left behind. She was targeted by someone with a plan. I think she wasn't mindful for her safety as a personality flaw. She told her mom that she wouldn't drive out on the roads due to the weather, she's known to speed ALL the time, driving between 3 AM - 6 AM was a usual habit, possibly made frequent stops to an ATM in the wee hours depositing cash. I am not judging her career, but it is not the safest of jobs.... you're exposed to a bunch of weirdos...

I think the BIGGEST question mark concerning the details of the case is what in gods name was she doing at that specific QT? It's not the closest QT to her home, chrome, or the shady lady. It's extremely far north from all these places.

There was a specific reason she was there and to my knowledge no one knows why.

I think she was targeted by someone she knows, potentially a client where she can make 100% of the cash instead of tipping out the club, serves etc. Or by someone observing that she wasn't mindful of her safety, learned her routine and took advantage of that.

I also think targeted by a trafficker is plausible as well.

All in all, I think she was targeted in some way, shape or form.

It may not be the most probably explanation, but there are plenty of accidents that go undetected for long periods of time because the vehicle wrecks in water or in a remote/brush-covered area or canyon. But, I too find it super strange the police are suggesting an accident without any evidence. I would leave it open-ended if I were them rather than plant ideas...unless I was trying to throw people off intentionally to mislead a perp or to cover up department error.

 

[MaxManning]

Rambling post....

If she was an informant, 1) I don't think police would have pulled her over, especially if they are tracking her. The lane change seems like a bs pullover to me.... not random.

The two are completely separate. Patrol officers would likely not even know she was an informant. DEA, FBI, and narcotics officers would know, but being an informant isn't going to stop a patrol officer from pulling you over.

Who said they were tracking her? The informant scenario simply makes the pullover moot, unrelated. Yes, patrol officers make bs pullovers all the time. I shared a story earlier in this case where a friend of mine got pulled over frequently and it was actually a flirting situation. She never told me about that happening, but I happened to be in the car when she got pulled over one time!! haha. So she told me that it happens often, but he's a nice guy etc. But it's not something she would have ever told me, if that chance occurrence didn't happen. As I said earlier in this case, that was the first thing that came to my mind earlier in this case.

But... again, I think it's far more likely that she was going to a drug deal and someone thought she was a snitch. Given we know that she was caught for drug dealing (via her tumbler) and somehow avoided prison, that seems to be exactly what you hear about when you talk to people who divulge they are informants. They say that they avoid charges by becoming an informant. Sweet deal until you get found out. yep, there's quite a bit of real stories out there about what happens to informants that get found out.

going missing is a common detail in those stories.

 

[MaxManning]

It may not be the most probably explanation, but there are plenty of accidents that go undetected for long periods of time because the vehicle wrecks in water or in a remote/brush-covered area or canyon. But, I too find it super strange the police are suggesting an accident without any evidence. I would leave it open-ended if I were them rather than plant ideas...unless I was trying to throw people off intentionally to mislead a perp or to cover up department error.

I think accident is plausible for sure. Just not as probable. But as we all know, probability is by no means reality. Could be 5% probability is exactly what happened.

But I keep looking at the Hadden case and I see alot of similarity if you don't get hung up on the pullovers, atm etc. Law enforcement didn't divulge he was informant until he turned up dead. Why? makes perfect common sense that if he was still alive, saying he was informant/snitch would only put him in more danger.

 

[Jerrod]

I still think she met with someone that ended in a sexual assault and murder. I sure hope I'm wrong.

Very plausible, for at least one good reason: The statistics are that nearly half of strippers complain of being stalked, with nearly three-fourths believing they have been followed leaving work. Conceivably, a faceless stranger in town for the football playoff game might be emboldened by his anonymity, if an opportunity presented itself. An opportunity such as this:

 

[msphilosopher]

It may not be the most probably explanation, but there are plenty of accidents that go undetected for long periods of time because the vehicle wrecks in water or in a remote/brush-covered area or canyon. But, I too find it super strange the police are suggesting an accident without any evidence. I would leave it open-ended if I were them rather than plant ideas...unless I was trying to throw people off intentionally to mislead a perp or to cover up department error.

You're right. Those accidents DO happen, I just think they are few and far between. Also, all bodies water can be eliminated because her phone was on for 12+ hours after the QT, and they think the accident likely happened around 6 AM not too long after the QT.

I thought about misleading as well... my gut still says targeted.


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[msphilosopher]

The two are completely separate. Patrol officers would likely not even know she was an informant. DEA, FBI, and narcotics officers would know, but being an informant isn't going to stop a patrol officer from pulling you over.

Who said they were tracking her? The informant scenario simply makes the pullover moot, unrelated. Yes, patrol officers make bs pullovers all the time. I shared a story earlier in this case where a friend of mine got pulled over frequently and it was actually a flirting situation. She never told me about that happening, but I happened to be in the car when she got pulled over one time!! haha. So she told me that it happens often, but he's a nice guy etc. But it's not something she would have ever told me, if that chance occurrence didn't happen. As I said earlier in this case, that was the first thing that came to my mind earlier in this case.

But... again, I think it's far more likely that she was going to a drug deal and someone thought she was a snitch. Given we know that she was caught for drug dealing (via her tumbler) and somehow avoided prison, that seems to be exactly what you hear about when you talk to people who divulge they are informants. They say that they avoid charges by becoming an informant. Sweet deal until you get found out. yep, there's quite a bit of real stories out there about what happens to informants that get found out.

going missing is a common detail in those stories.

You could be totally right. I'm saying I don't buy it. I think she would be tracked if she were an informant, that's a dangerous position to put someone in. Especially if they're on their way to a drug deal.... they're being tracking and will not risk her getting pulled over and seen speaking to an office who then follows her to the QT. Would not happen not the DEA or FBIs watch...

I find your second theory that she wasn't an informant but was mistaked for one more believable.


Although, I still don't buy the drug angle. If someone disappears and they were involved in drugs it usually comes out very early on... parents, friends will say she did drugs etc. We know she did get busted with one particular drug a while back but no evidence suggests she was involved in this recently.

You could be right, I just don't see it.




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[StPauliGirlK]

I see it as a male with some power (in her eyes) promised her something she couldn't refuse and it turned out too good to be true when he made an advance on her and she rejected him. Sexual assault and then he killed her.
I have nothing to support this really, it's just my hunch.

I know astrology is frowned upon here, and I am personally very scientific and don't believe in it either, but this is pretty much exactly the scenario one of the astrologers proposed just a few days after Toni's disappearance, and Parkville is also in/near the first "hot spot" she labeled that night. Since I am unfamiliar with the area, I "drove" NW River Road along the river near Waldron (where the hot spot was centered) in Google Street View, just to see what it looked like. Really spooky. When the Parkville ping started being mentioned a few weeks ago, I got chills.

If it turns out that Toni met a muscular man (coworker or customer) she knows from Chrome at his home north of Parkville after her stop at the QuikTrip, I'm going to have to apologize for a lot of eye-rolling I've done in the past!

 

[MaxManning]

You could be totally right. I'm saying I don't buy it. I think she would be tracked if she were an informant, that's a dangerous position to put someone in. Especially if they're on their way to a drug deal.... they're being tracking and will not risk her getting pulled over and seen speaking to an office who then follows her to the QT. Would not happen not the DEA or FBIs watch...

I find your second theory that she wasn't an informant but was mistaked for one more believable.

Although, I still don't buy the drug angle. If someone disappears and they were involved in drugs it usually comes out very early on... parents, friends will say she did drugs etc. We know she did get busted with one particular drug a while back but no evidence suggests she was involved in this recently.

You could be right, I just don't see it.

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I'd say you probably should do a little bit of research regarding informants. They don't get tracked unless they are doing a controlled buy, wearing a wire etc. I don't believe that Toni was making a controlled buy that night, I think she was simply going to see her drug dealer to buy drugs. I don't think you fully understand what an informant is. They avoid charges and are asked to simply act normal and give information such as to other buyers (just like them), new dealers they find, and acquaintances of their drug dealers. It's not like every drug buy they do has them wearing a wire.

As I said earlier, I didn't even buy the informant/snitch concept until I took the time to understand how it works.

You have described one situation which is far from the full scope of what they use informants for.

For example... Hadden, the kid who was killed for being a snitch in KC, who was factually an informant --- wasn't on his way to a drug deal wearing a wire. He just had information on his phone that one of his friends found -- yes, just simply information he was compiling about his fellow drug users and drug dealers he associated with. No wire.. no dea/fbi tracking hime. So, I don't know what else to tell you, except that I think you have a narrow view as to what an informant does and how closely they are watched by their dea/fbi handlers.

 

[heartgoesout]

See now I'm the opposite. I am open to it.
I think I know what site you are talking about and I found it fascinating.
I forgot about the description and don't remember reading that they felt it was a sexual assault. Maybe I'll revisit that.
River Rd. eek!

 

[MaxManning]

[FONT=&quot]Here's a little blurb on being an informant. :

What Do I Have to Do?

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[FONT=&quot]If you decide to cooperate with the police, the first thing that will happen is an interview. The informant, the detectives, and the defense attorney will all sit down and the informant will tell the police what he knows. Typically, the detectives will have lists of names and phone numbers from your phone if it was confiscated.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]If the police like what they hear, they will want to arrange for the informant to buy drugs. **If you are on probation, you may not be allowed to participate in a drug buy.**

Sometimes informants arrange for an undercover detective to buy drugs from a suspect. Sometimes the informant will buy drugs themselves. Sometimes an informant will simply inform the detective when a suspect has the drugs in their car or house so the police can raid them. The police may do a combination of these things as well.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]For more serious cases the police will often have the informant make several transactions before they arrest a suspect. The arrest may occur minutes or days after the arranged drug buy.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Most stings are arranged so that the suspect does not know who set them up and so that the informant does not have to testify in court. This is done to protect the informant and to prevent the prosecution from having to rely on an informant in order to get a conviction.

So all it takes is a raid happening after you were there and a drug dealer might suspect you are a snitch.

and....

You are taking a risk for law enforcement — and they can’t always guarantee your safety. Although there are usually many safeguards put in place to keep your identity out of public knowledge and to protect you physically while you are making a controlled buy, there is always the risk that you may be exposed. You should be aware that there is always the expectation that CI’s could be put in dangerous situations and that you must be prepared to take such risks.

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[MaxManning]

Although, I still don't buy the drug angle. If someone disappears and they were involved in drugs it usually comes out very early on... parents, friends will say she did drugs etc. We know she did get busted with one particular drug a while back but no evidence suggests she was involved in this recently..

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I'm confused, her social media had tons of references to pot as well as acid and adderall. I'm confused by why this wouldn't be seen as evidence of her getting drugs. If she was using them, she must be buying them. right?

 

[StPauliGirlK]

See now I'm the opposite. I am open to it.
I think I know what site you are talking about and I found it fascinating.
I forgot about the description and don't remember reading that they felt it was a sexual assault. Maybe I'll revisit that.
River Rd. eek!

It was a video that came out on 1/20, also attached to a website and Facebook page that features astrology around missing persons. I'm new, so I don't know if I'm allowed to post the actual name and/or link here, since it doesn't contain journalism or facts about the case. She definitely talks about lots of the facts of the case, but then takes it from there with an astrological interpretation. It's about 53 minutes long, and tends to wander a bit.

 

[misslu]

So, I guess I'm back to my original theory. I see no other options. I'm always willing to go where the evidence leads, but it is going nowhere.

For a variety of reasons, I don't like any of the theories being offered. It is highly, *highly* unlikely that Toni went to an industrial area in North Kansas City for a drug transaction. NKC is crawling with cops, and you would stick out like a sore thumb. Terrible location. I also find it highly unlikely that Toni turned west when she meant to turn east. I can only see one reason for Tony to end up on that road...

Back to my theory that nobody likes: Toni is suffering some kind of psychotic break.

She is looking for a familiar body shop near the QuikTrip on 31st, but goes to the wrong QuikTrip. She turns left onto W 26, says "this ain't right," cranks a u-turn and thinks she has to go further on Burlington. While she's waiting for the light, an officer conducts a traffic stop and directs her to the QuikTrip for gas. So she gets gas. While doing so she realizes it is the wrong QuikTrip. She consults her phone once again and once again selects the wrong QuikTrip. This time she's going to the QuikTrip just north of Parkville. Or maybe even the nearby "QuikTrip Park." She gets more and more confused and ends up just driving aimlessly...

This scenario could possibly end in a tragic traffic accident, just as police believe. Or other ways.

Anyway, I think I'm going to take a break from this case. Spending too much time on it... I'm out...

I like your theory. I've even gone so far as to wonder about the conversation her dad said he just had with her - regarding insurance. It's a random topic for a young 20something.

I think that the weed deal is a farce. If she was meeting up with someone it wasn't for weed. Imo. I think there's evidence of free will. And I think people know, for sure, what her plans were. I think she disabled the GPS and turned off her phone to keep someone's prying eyes away. I do, however, think something didn't go as planned for Toni and she is not okay.


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[StPauliGirlK]

I'm confused, her social media had tons of references to pot as well as acid and adderall. I'm confused by why this wouldn't be seen as evidence of her getting drugs. If she was using them, she must be buying them. right?

The "drug angle" is the main angle I AM buying at this point...possibly with a side of "sex angle" and "creeper angle."

 

[misslu]

Pete Sanchez, did Peter know that Toni was meeting David Jolly at the QT? If he did, then there is no other explanation as to why she disabled the tracking device, unless she wanted to disappear without a trace or the people she was meeting asked her to do so.

Color me confused,, is Pete Sanchez posting and/or on this board?

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[KMD_KC]

I'm asking where is she then? Who done it? Being a snitch doesn't really change anything. It offers nothing more to finding her. Someone would have brought up some angry, shady snitch killer to look into weeks ago. So imo the circle of people doesn't change regardless if she was a prostitute, snitch, stripper, server, drug runner, etc... all the same players.

Why is everyone involved so silent other than PS Sr???? Not a single person she has worked with has spoken "on the record", as far as we know. That's quite strange with a young popular girl.