Found Deceased MO - Toni Anderson, 20, North Kansas City, 15 Jan 2017 #4

[heartgoesout]

It seems to be up on the new fb page
Find Toni Anderson

 

[Jerrod]

I missed that she wasn't reported missing until Monday morning?

So she gets off work 4am ish Sunday 1/15
so alllll day Sunday goes by, Sunday night, into Monday morning until she is reported missing?? Do I have that right?

Yes, you have that right. No one even suspected something was wrong until Pete came home from work Sunday afternoon to discover Toni still wasn't there.

 

[StPauliGirlK]

Wait what? Her friend tweeted don't watch it??

I'm sure she is just embarrassed by how she looks or sounds or something. It's always shocking to see yourself on TV if you're not used to it.

 

[n_6CC]

The person who got the text from Toni about being pulled over tweeted :



I can't find the video now. So did maybe they get forced to remove it?

You can find it on YouTube! Crime watch daily channel.


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[MaxManning]

I'm sure she is just embarrassed by how she looks or sounds or something. It's always shocking to see yourself on TV if you're not used to it.

fair enough. I can understand that. I guess the fact that the video is suddenly gone, makes me wonder if it's more than than that. But I do agree that is a quite reasonable possibility. probable even.

 

[StPauliGirlK]

I'm sure it'll emerge somewhere, haha. But I think the story of why it was removed, and why the gf didn't like it, is interesting aspect. Would like to know specifically what she didn't like about it.

Probably her hair...or her voice...or her outfit...or her makeup...or her weight...or her responses...or one of the other million things that are horrifying when you see yourself interviewed on TV. :blushing:

 

[n_6CC]

Oh my goodness!!! It is completely gone! Even off of my YouTube where I have watched it 3 times!! What is this about!?


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[MaxManning]

Probably her hair...or her voice...or her outfit...or her makeup...or her weight...or her responses...or one of the other million things that are horrifying when you see yourself interviewed on TV. :blushing:

Did you watch the video? Was she in the video?

I do see the point, just find it odd that now the video is gone. Crime Watch Daily has tons of videos on their website involving other episodes, so why is this one now gone from there as well? Or maybe it was never on their website?

Just seems odd. But I agree that it could be completely unrelated.

 

[misslu]

So they started another new fb page - find Toni Anderson

It's a private group but if you just search the name you can view 2 videos someone posted in there without actually joining. Looks like she took video of her t.v. while it was playing so it's the only one out there that wasn't linked to the site.

Also, I get being awkward about being on tv. It's weird, ya. But I'm pretty sure I would not GAF if I looked like the universe's biggest loser if it meant spreading awareness that my friend was missing. To say don't watch it, and not give a reason, just kinda par for the course with this case imo..

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[heartgoesout]

Someone recorded it and it is on Find Toni Anderson. It is a new Facebook page.

 

[heartgoesout]

Probably her hair...or her voice...or her outfit...or her makeup...or her weight...or her responses...or one of the other million things that are horrifying when you see yourself interviewed on TV. :blushing:

Young women, do not be so hard on yourselves. : ) Head held high girl : )

 

[heartgoesout]

Yes, you have that right. No one even suspected something was wrong until Pete came home from work Sunday afternoon to discover Toni still wasn't there.

So he hasn't heard from her Sunday afternoon but doesn't call her parents and doesn't report her missing until Monday morning?

I've changed my percentages.
1% accident
1% can't talk about
49% mysterious friend.
49% its always the husband or boyfriend.

 

[Jerrod]

So they started another new fb page - find Toni Anderson

It's a private group but if you just search the name you can view 2 videos someone posted in there without actually joining. Looks like she took video of her t.v. while it was playing so it's the only one out there that wasn't linked to the site.

Also, I get being awkward about being on tv. It's weird, ya. But I'm pretty sure I would not GAF if I looked like the universe's biggest loser if it meant spreading awareness that my friend was missing. To say don't watch it, and not give a reason, just kinda par for the course with this case imo..

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Yes, the video is still available in 2 parts on the "find toni anderson" page, but that page is new and unrelated to the private group of 400 members that shares the same name. Confusing.

 

[Jerrod]

If you happen to watch the video, you'll see that Sgt. Caldwell mentions the added mystery of Toni's car also vanishing. Yet, the picture they show of the car next to Toni isn't her Black Ford Focus, and there is no mention of the Focus, let alone its license plate number. (smh)

 

[Jerrod]

So he hasn't heard from her Sunday afternoon but doesn't call her parents and doesn't report her missing until Monday morning?

I've changed my percentages.
1% accident
1% can't talk about
49% mysterious friend.
49% its always the husband or boyfriend.

And it wasn't even HIM who reported her missing!

 

[MaxManning]

Ok, I have watched the videos, and it definitely supports theories that we haven't been able to talk about here, but I think many of us find quite plausible/probable.

It's amazing how much deception has gone on, and as I've said before, that was obvious imo. This video , once again, supports that deception by everyone including police has been in play. Although with police that might have been intentional and motivated by not wanting whoever was involved to know everything they knew/believed.

Absolutely I think the officer in the video implied that whoever she was going to meet, possibly did meet. He was careful to say that he is confident that they didn't meet at the Shady Lady. He didn't say that he believed they didn't meet.

I'm still not ready to exclude the police officer, because I think at this point I don't see why showing dashcam footage and being transparent would compromise this investigation. What could have possibly been in the QT surveillance and dash cam footage that you don't want people to see? My personal guess is that the officer knows who Toni Anderson is. Call me crazy, but I am going to suggest that he has pulled her over before. I don't believe that Toni was unfamiliar with the area she was in, and I think it's likely she drove there at that hour many times before. So... based on that, I am going to suggest that it's possible this officer has pulled her over before and this is not the first time he has met her.

I still don't see a corrupt police officer as all that probable. But, is it possible a police officer who knew her well enough that he pulled her over based on knowing who she was? I'd have appreciated just a few more direct questions from this interviewer about this police officer and the dashcam footage.

Lastly, I am unsure what I can or cannot say based on the rules of this site, but I do think that the probability of what happened being related to a *relationship* has gone up. Also, it's important to note that there are 2 people that would care about this, and possibly 3.

However... I think also, the CI angle is not dead in my mind, but rather emboldened once again. Let me suggest that whoever she was meeting that night, might have been introducing her to another person. I believe there was a conversation whether via phone or some other form of communication that reset her destination.

I know the secret lover storyline is enticing, but I have doubts about that personally because of what the motivation would be.

So maybe let me just ask all of you that think the secret lover angle is more probable now, what the motivation would be? For example, would it be that they couldn't have her to themself and she was breaking it off? Would it be that the relationship was brand new and this person made an aggressive move that she rebuffed and it became more aggressive?

My thought is that I don't buy for one second that toni didn't remove the gps and that it malfunctioned. Removing the gps means toni is conscious of hiding *something* that her location would give away. Did she think bf would know where she was via gps? I just don't see that as likely. Unless... the bf had made a comment before about being able to know where she was?

I personally still think is more probable that she removed the gps because she thought law enforcement would be able to track her. I know many will disagree with this, but it's my opinion still at this point. It's this aspect that leads me to believe that she KNEW she was heading to a substantial illegal activity, not just a typical everyday drive to her weed dealer. I also think that the last usage/ping of the phone was not by toni, but by whoever took her. ie -- I do think that Toni turned off her phone as well as removed her gps. The final usage of the phone was by whoever took her, and that was to check her communications for information -- ie snitch related and contact information. Now, I know police have talked about her last ping etc. But what about if she had been off the network at all during that hour or so before her last ping. Wouldn't that be important to know, given what I have just mentioned?

I think it's possible that someone, a 3rd party from this person she was meeting or the person who lured them out there, left with her -- in her car. Likely to an area west of 435. I am not certain that they would have dealt with her that night or went further west, maybe even into KS. 9 leads to no mans land. I'd like to know how exactly they know she was on 9, and how far west. I am assuming the last ping was in parkville. But I wasn't clear on if they believed or KNEW that she(they) headed west of parkville on 9.

I say all of this, saying I do understand that many will possibly be more likely to now think it's relationship related, however, the hardest problem I have with that is motivation. I think the person with the most motivation to harm her based on this extra relationship was back home in bed. right?

So, my probability list has changes slightly :

CI/Snitch
Relationship related -- somebody jealous or rebuffed.
Police Corruption
Accident
Human Trafficking

I might be one of the few here that is still in the CI/Snitch basket, and as you can see, I actually moved police corruption up the list. Maybe at some point I'll discuss that more, I know to most here it's likely a 1% or even 0% thing. For me, it's a bit higher, but I'd say I'm now about 90% leaning towards either 1 or 2 on my list.

I don't think it'd be good to talk about the police corruption angle in more detail, as I'm sure it's not likely allowed here. But, I'm just gonna say I don't think it can be excluded and leave it at that.

Forgot to add that iCloud data is potentially a big break. If it reveals any kind of communication between any of the people around her in regards to this secret relationship and if it was a positive one or not.... ie do we just assume that she *wanted* that relationship?

 

[MaxManning]

It still sits weird to me that she'd go to meet a secret lover or whatever and then he'd have motivation to harm her. The fact that she'd go out there to see him, seems to indicate that they were both in favor of the relationship.

So I'm still looking hard at motivations here. I think it's possible that whoever lured her to the location, went right back home or wherever. Meaning I think there's a 3rd party, that has nothing to do with the relationship angle. This *secret lover* or whatever, lured her to meet this 3rd party, who I think... thought she was a snitch. Meaning the *secret lover* used the relationship as a means to lure her, for someone else.

I could be soooo incredibly wrong, but probability of motivations is what is making it hard for me to look away from the CI/snitch scenario.

Lets not forget that even her relationship with her bf.... was first as a drug dealer / drug consumer relationship. ya know? (based on her own twitter confession)

 

[PokeyMeansBusiness]

What about the witness protection/police informant angle?


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[PokeyMeansBusiness]

Anyone else think it is weird that the boyfriend has disappeared from the media? He was involved a lot early, but he no longer participates in TV airings of Toni. Only historical footage is shown.

 

[hec60504]

Police corruption - Law Enforcement involvement in a disappearance? SERIOUSLY? What is in it for the Officer that is so incredible that they're going to not only be willing to risk their lifelong career on it, including the possibility of their own personal safety (if the officer gets caught and goes to jail, let alone prison)? What ever happened to the concept of Occam's Razor (all things being equal, the simplest explanation tends to be the right one)?