Found Deceased MO - Toni Anderson, 20, North Kansas City, 15 Jan 2017 #6

[OnTheCase101]

Did y'all see this? Woman's body found in 1.5 hours in opposite direction from where she was heading (work). No foul play suspected. Pretty quick decision just like Toni's, imho

A Liberty woman who had been reported missing last month has been found dead in rural northwestern Missouri, according to police.
Antwanette Michelle Delagarza, 40, was found dead in her car Sunday afternoon in Daviess County, according to Liberty police.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article138302193.html#storylink=cpy
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article138302193.html

 

[heartgoesout]

A week or so ago, PS Sr. implied on FB that she went there to buy weed. That makes a lot of sense to me and mirrors everything I've heard about the guy she was supposed to meet up with.

Then why is Pete begging for an independent autopsy? Right?? (I have lost track of Pete and did not see this post myself but many others have commented about it).

Totally would make sense, no doubt. She meets someone at the park who lives close to there to buy weed. She lights up, he leaves and she makes the fatal driving error. I have no problem with that scenario at all. It absolutely makes sense... IF the rest of her night made sense. And it doesn't. Not one step of the story makes sense and that's what people are struggling with. Trying to make logic out of the illogical.

Everyone on here never judged Toni or her lifestyle. That's not what we do here. Actually I feel like it's quite the opposite. This outcome hurts because it seems her worst qualities (which we all have) came out that night. It's tough because we have been privileged to see, through following this, the awesome qualities she did have that far outweighed the bad. It's hard to imagine this sweet girl spinning a web of lies that went so very, very bad. But I think I have to resign myself to that's what happened. The 5 stages of grief...I'm entering the acceptance stage.

 

[OnTheCase101]

Bottom fell out of my stomach when I read that the search area was suggested by a "psychic" for the reasons we are seeing now. For 13 pages we have gone from "how did parents know <fill in the blank>," to basically accepting the "ramp slide" theory as fact.

I know some folks will never be convinced, but to learn more about how "psychics" operate look at the work of James Randi (www.randi.org).

Essentially a "psychic" in a case like this starts by playing the odds. Accepting the last phone contact around 6AM, versus 9PM, makes that stretch of river a good bet. Once the body was found there (through no supernatural ability), the parents who believed the psychic are "hooked." Considering the "GPS" angle, and the boat launch, it becomes easy for a "psychic" to tell a comforting story that can most likely never be debunked. The illusion of detail is a key skill in this racket - not just sliding into the river, but "trying to make a U Turn," and the "knee bruise from hitting the GPS." It's all made up, yet it "sounds" so good. Even the abrupt "case closed," I believe came from the "psychic" - anything that contradicts this narrative will be "bad for business."

Some will say "so what, if it gives them comfort," but the problem is that it isn't "real," and these charlatans cause immeasurable harm when they don't "get lucky."

Look into the money that a top flight "psychic" can make - some of them tour concert halls. Whoever got the Anderson's ear in this case just won the lottery.

You mean the KCPD? :innocent:

 

[mrsu]

IF she was meeting someone to buy weed at the park, I wonder if LE has checked into where this person's phone was around this same time. Of course you don't want to say you were going to the park to sell some girl drugs. Easier to say you never ended up meeting. Also it would put him as the last one to see her. I wonder if they have looked into this person's location at the time??

 

[OnTheCase101]

Then why is Pete begging for an independent autopsy? Right?? (I have lost track of Pete and did not see this post myself but many others have commented about it).

Just because there's a logical reason for Toni to be in Platte Landing Park doesn't mean that what happened next wasn't still something criminal. My impression of PS Jr from reading all his tweets before his account was deleted is that he is skeptical of police and is investigative/resourceful. Mind you, he was the one who started the petition to see the dash cam footage, and he was vocal about wanting to see the ATM footages/pics, too.

 

[kanzz]

I don't want to speak to this user's intent, but in general the term for what they're speaking of is lividity. When someone dies, the blood settles to the lowest tissue. So if a person is lying down, it would settle towards their back side (i.e., back, buttocks, backs of their arms, and backs of their legs). If the body is seated, it would settle towards the part of the body that is lowest.

This can look a lot like bruising, but like one HUGE bruise that covers an entire area (i.e., all of the back rather than spots). I'm sure the medical examiner would know to take this into account. Sorry if you already knew this and were asking for a specific explanation as it relates to this case.


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Thanks. RN here, so I do understand lividity. Although, imo, lividity doesn't resemble bruising. And what I didn't understand was what the OP said: "When you die your body is ridding itself of your blood". That didn't make sense to me, and lividity doesn't really explain it either.

 

[perfectingpink]

Did y'all see this? Woman's body found in 1.5 hours in opposite direction from where she was heading (work). No foul play suspected. Pretty quick decision just like Toni's, imho

A Liberty woman who had been reported missing last month has been found dead in rural northwestern Missouri, according to police.
Antwanette Michelle Delagarza, 40, was found dead in her car Sunday afternoon in Daviess County, according to Liberty police.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article138302193.html#storylink=cpy
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article138302193.html

http://www.newspressnow.com/news/lo...cle_e36e60cf-c330-53c6-9804-df55dd74ad73.html

 

[heartgoesout]

Just because there's a logical reason for Toni to be in Platte Landing Park doesn't mean that what happened next wasn't still something criminal. My impression of PS Jr from reading all his tweets before his account was deleted is that he is skeptical of police and is investigative/resourceful. Mind you, he was the one who started the petition to see the dash cam footage, and he was vocal about wanting to see the ATM footages/pics, too.

I meant the dad Pete.

 

[KMD_KC]

Thanks. RN here, so I do understand lividity. Although, imo, lividity doesn't resemble bruising. And what I didn't understand was what the OP said: "When you die your body is ridding itself of your blood". That didn't make sense to me, and lividity doesn't really explain it either.

When you die you decompose and your blood leaves your body. My point was if she was down there for that long a knee bruise wouldn't be detectable.

 

[kanzz]

If a deceased person was in the water for 2 months there would be massive bruising and discoloration. A bruise to the knee would not be discernible as to the other decomposition at that point in time, if you believe the time table given that she entered the river that morning.

It isn't as though the tissue continues to form bruises once a person dies.

A bruise (hematoma) forms due to the rupture of blood vessels at the site of a trauma.

"It occurs because the wall of a blood vessel wall, artery, vein, or capillary, has been damaged and blood has leaked into tissues where it does not belong."
http://www.medicinenet.com/hematoma/page2.htm

Circulation stops when people die. Therefore, they don't continue to form bruises.

(Disclaimer: if a person suffers peri-mortem trauma, it is possible for the ruptured vessels to seep post-mortem.)

Unless/until it's proven otherwise, I will believe that Toni did accidentally enter the river that morning and that the bruise on her knee was discernable.

 

[Vail]

While we wait for something concrete regarding Toni's MOD, I am hoping some of you, especially those local to KC, can come over to Jessica's thread to help brainstorm where to look for her and what seachers should be looking for, TIA. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ica-Runions-21-Kansas-City-8-September-2016-2

 

[KMD_KC]

It isn't as though the tissue continues to form bruises once a person dies.

A bruise (hematoma) forms due to the rupture of blood vessels at the site of a trauma.

"It occurs because the wall of a blood vessel wall, artery, vein, or capillary, has been damaged and blood has leaked into tissues where it does not belong."
http://www.medicinenet.com/hematoma/page2.htm

Circulation stops when people die. Therefore, they don't continue to form bruises.

(Disclaimer: if a person suffers peri-mortem trauma, it is possible for the ruptured vessels to seep post-mortem.)

Unless/until it's proven otherwise, I will believe that Toni did accidentally enter the river that morning and that the bruise on her knee was discernable.

You have blood pooling in the lower extremities as mentioned above, that can present as bruising.

 

[kittymittons]

In the mean time, they really should put one of these up on that boat ramp. It would make it much more obvious that it shouldn't be driven down.


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[policyoftruth501]

Thanks. RN here, so I do understand lividity. Although, imo, lividity doesn't resemble bruising. And what I didn't understand was what the OP said: "When you die your body is ridding itself of your blood". That didn't make sense to me, and lividity doesn't really explain it either.

I see what you're saying and I agree. The body doesn't rid itself of anything until it starts to decompose and that wouldn't resemble bruising either. As I'm sure you know being an RN, lividity occurs shortly after death because the body stops pumping blood through the body and since veins are all over the body the blood would fully cover entire parts of the body and wouldn't look that same as bruising, which is spotty. I, like you, don't understand the "ridding itself of blood" either.


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[thekarmabus]

I live in the area and do lots of boating and fishing. Most bodies of water haven't even frozen this year.

I understand. Check out the link I posted where Riss Lake water temp data is posted. As you know being a boater and fisher that there are many things involved with a lake being frozen over. Off topic... you live in a beautiful area!


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[thekarmabus]

Adipicere requires the absence of oxygen and I suppose if Toni's body was covered in silt, this could happen, but I am not sure she would have been covered so quickly that she would be that preserved.

It does ? I'm not questioning you in a ... hey you are wrong kind of way. I want to learn/understand.


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[perfectingpink]

It does ? I'm not questioning you in a ... hey you are wrong kind of way. I want to learn/understand.


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I thought that was what the article posted was stating and believe me, please question me as if I can be wrong because...I just read up more and the lack of oxygen was not what I took away from the additional material. I am going to go back and reread the 1st info.

 

[perfectingpink]

It does ? I'm not questioning you in a ... hey you are wrong kind of way. I want to learn/understand.


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This is what I was referring to.

The transformation of fats into adipocere occurs best in an environment that has high levels of moisture and an absence of oxygen, such as in wet ground or mud at the bottom of a lake or a sealed casket, and it can occur with both embalmed and untreated bodies. Adipocere formation begins within a month of death, and, in the absence of air, it can persist for centuries

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adipocere]

 

[KMD_KC]

I understand. Check out the link I posted where Riss Lake water temp data is posted. As you know being a boater and fisher that there are many things involved with a lake being frozen over. Off topic... you live in a beautiful area!


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It is a beautiful place to live, for the most part. You have to remember she was in a river with a strong current, not a lake. The river currant would also take quite a toll on anything in it.

 

[KMD_KC]

I see what you're saying and I agree. The body doesn't rid itself of anything until it starts to decompose and that wouldn't resemble bruising either. As I'm sure you know being an RN, lividity occurs shortly after death because the body stops pumping blood through the body and since veins are all over the body the blood would fully cover entire parts of the body and wouldn't look that same as bruising, which is spotty. I, like you, don't understand the "ridding itself of blood" either.


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Have you seen a body in the different stages of decomposition? A nurse doesn't make you an expert on decomposition.