Found Deceased MO - Toni Anderson, 20, North Kansas City, 15 Jan 2017 #6

[AceDetective]

I also want to know why pete sr is all up in this? Sorry but if my daughter died, I would have a problem with ber BF's dad making himself a spokesperson

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Pete has graciously offered to answer questions in a closed group. He has never represented himself as anything other than the boyfriend's dad. Certainly not a 'spokesperson.'

 

[n_6CC]

Where is this from? This is also appears to be based on someone prepared to attempt an escape. Not someone unknowing, shocked and scared. Not to mention just because it happens in one instance or even the majority of instances does not mean it cannot happen any other way. It is possible she couldnt get out for a variety of reasons that we'll never be able to account for.

Having said this, I still believe her going into the water was not an accident. Because the main issue is why was she out there in the first place?

I agree. Studies show that it might take a car 30 sec.-3 minutes to sink. Initial response could take 1-3 min to overcome. ( body hyperventilating). The accident is totally plausible. I was just putting some information out there for everyone to look at. She had done all the right things starting out. The seatbelt, window open. I am not at all debating why she didn't get out. I take screenshots of relative information and will provide the link. It was a controlled study. If for nothing else, it was useful information for me as to steps to take in the event. It also could clarify that she may have known what to do in a situation like this. Not at all saying she should have survived if it were an accident. Plus, I am of the mind to think that if I were trying to get rid of a car and body, I might have left them buckled in to make it look like an accident.


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[n_6CC]

Where is this from? This is also appears to be based on someone prepared to attempt an escape. Not someone unknowing, shocked and scared. Not to mention just because it happens in one instance or even the majority of instances does not mean it cannot happen any other way. It is possible she couldnt get out for a variety of reasons that we'll never be able to account for.

Having said this, I still believe her going into the water was not an accident. Because the main issue is why was she out there in the first place?

http://mythresults.com/episode72


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[OnTheCase101]

and how have you been on this story since day 1, when you joined this sight in mar of 2017?

There are many other internet sleuthing communities that *aren't* WS... shocking but true! [emoji2]


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[MrX]

Another thought - does anyone find it strange that the gentlemen being accused, in some circles, of being somehow involved, have not proclaimed their innocence and issued a cease-and-desist?

 

[OnTheCase101]

Josh Helmuth on twitter confirms the case is still very much open. Interesting. Given the parents' reactions, I figured something more would have happened by now.

Everything's resting on the autopsy and toxicology at this point.


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[OnTheCase101]

Another thought - does anyone find it strange that the gentlemen being accused, in some circles, of being somehow involved, have not proclaimed their innocence and issued a cease-and-desist?

No, not necessarily because actually *following through* with a case and desist is expensive and is likely not economically possible for at least 1 of the 2.


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[The real reason]

That was the crimes against children unit which was completely torn down and every member removed before being restored. A total separate unit investigates missing persons.

 

[xmsmadex]

http://mythresults.com/episode72


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Thank You. Mythbusters... is certainly not proof she should have been able to get out. He was prepared mentally, emotionally and physically. Not to mention he's not a 120 lbs girl.

 

[xmsmadex]

I agree. Studies show that it might take a car 30 sec.-3 minutes to sink. Initial response could take 1-3 min to overcome. ( body hyperventilating). The accident is totally plausible. I was just putting some information out there for everyone to look at. She had done all the right things starting out. The seatbelt, window open. I am not at all debating why she didn't get out. I take screenshots of relative information and will provide the link. It was a controlled study. If for nothing else, it was useful information for me as to steps to take in the event. It also could clarify that she may have known what to do in a situation like this. Not at all saying she should have survived if it were an accident. Plus, I am of the mind to think that if I were trying to get rid of a car and body, I might have left them buckled in to make it look like an accident.


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I understand now, thank you.

 

[n_6CC]

Thank You. Mythbusters... is certainly not proof she should have been able to get out. He was prepared mentally, emotionally and physically. Not to mention he's not a 120 lbs girl.

Again, I agree. Controlled studies are completely different. In fact, every single study on this I've seen has been controlled (for obvious reasons). But the information is still good. A person entering the cold water was noted to cause hyperventilating for a period of time as well. A period of time that could be equal to the car actually sinking (i.e.:the accident).


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[heartgoesout]

I think this post brings up some great points. My friends and I made some unwise choices when we were young; luckily, most of us survived. Impulsive decisions and feeling indestructible seem to be part of being young. Toni had her reasons for heading to Parkville that night--actually early morning. Somehow in the darkness, being tired from working, and negotiating slippery roads, she made a tragic mistake, and slid into the river. Such a sad end to a life just beginning to unfold.

Toni's jobs were wee hours. This was her lifestyle. This was HER normal. She was no more tired than any of us leaving work at our normal time. Whenever that is for everyone. That's like trying to say I slipped down a ramp for being tired at 5pm after work.

 

[perfectingpink]

Memorial service for Toni Anderson set for Tuesday

A memorial service for Toni Anderson will be held on Tuesday, March 21, at 11 a.m. at Risen Savior, 6770 E 34th Street North in Wichita.

http://www.kwch.com/content/news/Memorial-service-for-Toni-Anderson-set-for-Tuesday-416437353.html

 

[heartgoesout]

It seems to me it is speculation that she was turning around, and by turning around, they meant backing up...

She could have attempted to turn around and went on mud/grass and that was the beginning of slippage...

To me she obviously went in trunk first or hood first and not sideways..

I'm going to sit back and see if more comes out over the next week...

I think we all agree that an accident on the boat ramp could scientifically be plausible. It's now just going in circles.
It is the before that is being questioned.

 

[heartgoesout]

Would it have been possible for her to jump out of the car? One she realized the car was going in, it seems self-preservation would kick in and she would jump out..

That is something I can't stop thinking either. Why wasnt her car door open? It seems to me in the very least she would have been in the process of jumping out

Once a car is even partially submerged it would be next to impossible to open a door against the pressure of the water.

 

[Hiandmighty]

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Pete has graciously offered to answer questions in a closed group. He has never represented himself as anything other than the boyfriend's dad. Certainly not a 'spokesperson.'

I said I'm solid this is an accident. You know that.

 

[HelpingHeart]

I haven't been on in a while. I kept thinking of her being in the water possibly so sad that's actually what happened. Poor girl, may she Rest In Peace. I haven't been able to read through many of your theories & what the authorities do know. Just been too busy! But, was it confirmed she accidentally drove into the river? Poor girl.


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[Hiandmighty]

It has been quoted that LE does not suspect foul play. Her parents have been quoted as believing it was an accident.

She could have been thinking of escaping through an open window, so maybe that was her plan...

 

[heartgoesout]

To clarify, from my perspective.

LE indeed has said they do not suspect foul play but their story has changed repeatedly and more than anyone else's over and over. Actually LE is the only story that has changed. To date LE says the case is not closed.

The media has reported that after her body was found, the parents believe it was an accident, but her mother strongly believed she was a victim of sex trafficking a week ago. We do not know if their public statements are what they truly believe. From what we see the parents are also not communicating with other "insiders" and have not participated in much. Friends are urging an independent autopsy but so far the parents will not oblige.

There have been some names thrown around that people question could be involved. LE has said they do not believe a few people in the investigation have been totally upfront.

Many feel the handling of her car after being found was sloppy and nonchalant.

Although different theories are out there, including suicide, informant, rogue cop, drug deal gone bad, sexual assault, etc.. we are at a place where I think we all agree an accident is plausible. Some believe the answer.
The majority of people do not believe it was an accident based on the inconsistencies and oddities of that night and some shady behavior beforehand.
And here we are...

 

[xmsmadex]

I haven't been on in a while. I kept thinking of her being in the water possibly so sad that's actually what happened. Poor girl, may she Rest In Peace. I haven't been able to read through many of your theories & what the authorities do know. Just been too busy! But, was it confirmed she accidentally drove into the river? Poor girl.


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No, it is not confirmed. The investigation is still open and there are people on both sides claiming accident or foul play.