Found Deceased MO - Toni Anderson, 20, North Kansas City, 15 Jan 2017 #6

[MaxManning]

all the talk again about dashcams just made me think of something. do the cams only come on when they initiate a stop, or do they run nonstop during officers shift? the reason i bring this up is 2 parts. if the officer pulled her but never called it in, then dispatcher would have no log off it (remember at the start no department acknoledged pulling her over). if he did'nt report it, then would he have turned on the camera? (maybe why it has'nt been released is because it does not exist). remember the scanner feeds for the time she was stopped were pulled and not available. if it were'nt for the dealership video, we would have no record initially of her being stopped

forgot all about THIS^^^^

 

[Pamela_Brewer]

She possibly took oxytocin at the ramp to relax. And accidentally had the car in nuetral and not park while she was dozing off from the oxytocin effect.

Idk

Oxytocin or oxycontin?
I'm thinking you mean
Oxycontin?
Oxytocin is used during child birth.
MOO

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin

*https://www.drugs.com/amp/oxycontin.html

 

[leep]

Oxytocin or oxycontin?
I'm thinking you mean
Oxycontin?
Oxytocin is used during child birth.
MOO

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin

*https://www.drugs.com/amp/oxycontin.html

It's also a massively abused painkiller in US.


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[DexterMorgan]

Oxytocin or oxycontin?
I'm thinking you mean
Oxycontin?
Oxytocin is used during child birth.
MOO

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin

*https://www.drugs.com/amp/oxycontin.html

Lol. I should have just said oxy. Lol.

 

[perfectingpink]

Lol. I should have just said oxy. Lol.

Studies are being done about the efficacy of oxytocin as a pain reliever, which I did not know. So, I am glad you wrote that or I wouldn't have researched it.

 

[TobyWong*]

I just wanted to chime in regarding the theory that this was a drug deal gone wrong, which I've seen suggested pretty regularly at various places in these threads. Over the years, I've known quite a few drug dealers in my city, from 45 yo men that have financed their entire adult lives selling cocaine and pills to 20 yos who trade their Adderall prescriptions for weed every month. I can tell you unequivocally that none of them would ever in a million years set up a drug transaction at 4:30am in a public park a mile down a deserted road just outside of a small suburb. In fact, that would probably be the absolute last place they would ever set up a drug deal.

First of all, most of the time this kind of thing just happens at someone's house. That eliminates almost all risk of being caught unless one of the parties is an informant/cop (wherein you're screwed regardless). Second, if you did for some reason need to meet somewhere other than one of the parties homes, you would do it in a populated place during the day, where you can blend into the crowd and avoid suspicion. The parking lot of a big box store or grocery during business hours is common for this scenario. Going to a public park, which is undoubtedly marked for no trespassing after sundown, is an awful place:

-you're transporting drugs in one of the only cars out on the road in the middle of the night (in this case, when the highway patrol has warned people off the roads due to weather)

- if any LEO sees you turning down the dead end road to the park he's going to immediately be even more suspicious

- the park is going to be posted "No trespassing sundown to sunset", so LE immediately has probable cause to search both party's vehicles/person

Doing something like this is all about blending into the background and hiding in plain sight. No drug dealer would put themselves in a situation where they would stick out like a sore thumb like this. It would be like asking to get arrested.



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I'd feel fine meeting there if i was meeting my 'friend' whose is law enforcement. Otherwise its like a bullseye driving to the boat launch. That friend either left before her & isnt going to say anything now. Or they helped put her car where it ended up. Jmo.

 

[perfectingpink]

My husband is cracking me up this morning. We were talking about the sonar and how Toni's car wasn't found during the other searches and I told him the search team said it was because the car is so shiny when it first goes in that it cannot be detected. He has decided our military must be insane because after all these years, they should know to paint all of our submarines a shiny chrome color so they also can avoid sonar detection...

 

[Capstan07]

Would it have been possible for her to jump out of the car? One she realized the car was going in, it seems self-preservation would kick in and she would jump out..

That is something I can't stop thinking either. Why wasnt her car door open? It seems to me in the very least she would have been in the process of jumping out

Driver's window was rolled down. Seatbelt off. Door may have been opened by her while sliding or immediately when entering the water. The force of the water would have immediately pushed the door back closed.

Just because the door was closed when car recovered doesn't mean it was closed when it went into the water.

All of this to me is irrelevant. The window was rolled down. That's a fact.


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[Dr.Strangelove]

It's also a massively abused painkiller in US.


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Not to mention it can really put you out of it. My mom takes loads of it (prescribed) for her MS and she can get so loopy and forgetful its crazy

 

[heartgoesout]

So the scanner feed... That would have been from dispatchers and the officer's conversation? Or just the dispatcher?

 

[Deleted member 155000]

So the scanner feed... That would have been from dispatchers and the officer's conversation? Or just the dispatcher?

To me it seems like if they took the scanner feed down (that section is missing), that implies there is something on it. What do you all think?


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[Capstan07]

I hope that I am not offending anyone with my last post, but this topic of another form of communication such as a burner phone is crime 101.

I've eluded to this in the past on earlier posts, and had thought that most understood this was likely the case. But since I keep seeing all this faith in the idea that her lack of usage of her iphone from the time she left the QT until it went dead was indicative of schizophrenia, a psychotic break, drug usage... etc etc. There truly is a very simple explanation for that, if you for a moment even just entertain the idea that this is a drug deal and think about what one might do in that situation.

I still see an accident as a possibility, but I just don't think it's wise to exclude drug deal etc, when we see things like this that make sense with a drug deal.

I know that the police have never mentioned this possibility even once as realistic, but I think if we ever see the actual evidence they have in the light of day... you might come back to my post and make even more sense of it. How does one prove that someone was using a burner phone? That's kind of the reason a criminal uses one. So should it be excluded because there is no specific evidence of a burner phone?

You don't have to be a criminal t have a burner phone. I always keep what one would describe as a burner phone, but I don't call it a burner phone.

I do a lot of boating and skiing which has resulted in many lost and damaged iPhones. Therefore I have a burner so to speak that's cheap and prepay with no contract. When engaging in activities that might lead to ruining an expensive phone I fwd my calls from my good phone, put my burner in a zip lock bag and hit the water or whatever. Much better to trash a disposable cheap phone than a good phone.

My only point here is not just criminals with criminal intent have spare phones or what might be termed burner phones.


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[Deleted member 155000]

You don't have to be a criminal t have a burner phone. I always keep what one would describe as a burner phone, but I don't call it a burner phone.

I do a lot of boating and skiing which has resulted in many lost and damaged iPhones. Therefore I have a burner so to speak that's cheap and prepay with no contract. When engaging in activities that might lead to ruining an expensive phone I fwd my calls from my good phone, put my burner in a zip lock bag and hit the water or whatever. Much better to trash a disposable cheap phone than a good phone.

My only point here is not just criminals with criminal intent have spare phones or what might be termed burner phones.


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Plus there are tons of apps now that offer additional numbers which can forward calls and texts to the app on your phone. I use them for legitimate business all the time.


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[Capstan07]

Ooooh wow. I had no idea he packed up her room. That's very strange, and in my opinion a sign her dad knows she's not coming back

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Hope I'm not breaking any rules.....but.....

From the beginning this case has been reported as a college girl gone missing and working at Chrome as a part time waitress. TA own social media says stripper. Etc.

To be clear I don't equate being a stripper with being a bad person so that's not where I'm going.

My point is the parents and everyone have painted a very different media perception of her than was reality. The media even seems to be complicit with how they have been reporting--probably just lazy reporting. There is no doubt the parents--and understandably-- wanted their daughter portrayed a particular way and things left out of the public eye.

Now think about packing up her room before any realty facts are known in the case--especially with the real possibility she might not have been deceased at that time.

What potential evidence was packed up? What potential evidence could have been removed, destroyed--inadvertently or purposely--what secrets did her father find in her belongings.

My point is seems like forensically her personal room belongings really could have been extremely valuable in providing important information in this case and now it gone, moved, contaminate etc.

Anyone know if LE searched her room? It would be standard I would think but nothing standard has happened in this case so far.


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[Capstan07]

I just wanted to chime in regarding the theory that this was a drug deal gone wrong, which I've seen suggested pretty regularly at various places in these threads. Over the years, I've known quite a few drug dealers in my city, from 45 yo men that have financed their entire adult lives selling cocaine and pills to 20 yos who trade their Adderall prescriptions for weed every month. I can tell you unequivocally that none of them would ever in a million years set up a drug transaction at 4:30am in a public park a mile down a deserted road just outside of a small suburb. In fact, that would probably be the absolute last place they would ever set up a drug deal.

First of all, most of the time this kind of thing just happens at someone's house. That eliminates almost all risk of being caught unless one of the parties is an informant/cop (wherein you're screwed regardless). Second, if you did for some reason need to meet somewhere other than one of the parties homes, you would do it in a populated place during the day, where you can blend into the crowd and avoid suspicion. The parking lot of a big box store or grocery during business hours is common for this scenario. Going to a public park, which is undoubtedly marked for no trespassing after sundown, is an awful place:

-you're transporting drugs in one of the only cars out on the road in the middle of the night (in this case, when the highway patrol has warned people off the roads due to weather)

- if any LEO sees you turning down the dead end road to the park he's going to immediately be even more suspicious

- the park is going to be posted "No trespassing sundown to sunset", so LE immediately has probable cause to search both party's vehicles/person

Doing something like this is all about blending into the background and hiding in plain sight. No drug dealer would put themselves in a situation where they would stick out like a sore thumb like this. It would be like asking to get arrested.



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TA had a seeking arrangement account which seeks encounters with wealthy men for "mutually beneficial" relationships. Her name on the account was Vanity Rayne. This is also her stripper name.

Rather than a drug deal-valid points about why a desolate area closed during darkness isn't smart--what about a meet up with someone off Seeking Arrangements??


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[Capstan07]

She possibly took oxytocin at the ramp to relax. And accidentally had the car in nuetral and not park while she was dozing off from the oxytocin effect.

Idk

Car was recovered with gear selector in "R" reverse per TA parents, PS,Sr and LE.


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[Deleted member 155000]

TA had a seeking arrangement account which seeks encounters with wealthy men for "mutually beneficial" relationships. Her name on the account was Vanity Rayne. This is also her stripper name.

Rather than a drug deal-valid points about why a desolate area closed during darkness isn't smart--what about a meet up with someone off Seeking Arrangements??


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This has been suggested. It seems like an unlikely place to meet, but it's not impossible. Part of the problem with this case is she dabbled in a lot of things--music, escorting, stripping, substance use--so there are a lot of underground communities that "could" be connected to the case.

She could also be an example of a person who lived on the edge, and whose somewhat naive or reckless choices--such as speeding in icy weather--cost her dearly.

We need more information to start excluding some possibilities. But I don't feel confident LE will release more, especially if the parents are satisfied and want the case closed.


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[SpaceToast]

TA had a seeking arrangement account which seeks encounters with wealthy men for "mutually beneficial" relationships. Her name on the account was Vanity Rayne. This is also her stripper name.

Rather than a drug deal-valid points about why a desolate area closed during darkness isn't smart--what about a meet up with someone off Seeking Arrangements??


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That seems slightly more reasonable (although still highly unlikely imo, I could go into why if you want), but if that were the case she would have had to communicate with the "sugar daddy" from Seeking Arrangements via the website at some point. Surely law enforcement has gained access to that account, sought cooperation from SA, and explored any communications she had there, possibly including logs of deleted messages (and why would she delete the messages anyway). I'd imaging they've accessed the email account linked to that profile, as well. I find it hard to believe LE wouldn't have built a complete picture of all her activity on SA and vetted any leads they obtained there.


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[Capstan07]

That seems slightly more reasonable (although still highly unlikely imo, I could go into why if you want), but if that were the case she would have had to communicate with the "sugar daddy" from Seeking Arrangements via the website at some point. Surely law enforcement has gained access to that account, sought cooperation from SA, and explored any communications she had there, possibly including logs of deleted messages (and why would she delete the messages anyway). I'd imaging they've accessed the email account linked to that profile, as well. I find it hard to believe LE wouldn't have built a complete picture of all her activity on SA and vetted any leads they obtained there.


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Agreed except LE has not presented themselves as the most competent so far.

LE did state person(s) were not being entirely truthful. With limited facts some says this points to drugs but it could point to a married man having a tryst.

I keep saying this really because few are saying it but I honestly don't believe TA was a bad person. Of course, I don't know her and she certainly made some very bad decisions and lifestyle choices but many of us have at her age and turned out not to be bad people. Myself squarely included looking back on my college wild days.

I have a gut feeling she wasn't a bad person but make bad choices. Not sure that makes sense but I feel it's important to say given the subject matter.


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[Deleted member 155000]

Agreed except LE has not presented themselves as the most competent so far.

LE did state person(s) were not being entirely truthful. With limited facts some says this points to drugs but it could point to a married man having a tryst.

I keep saying this really because few are saying it but I honestly don't believe TA was a bad person. Of course, I don't know her and she certainly made some very bad decisions and lifestyle choices but many of us have at her age and turned out not to be bad people. Myself squarely included looking back on my college wild days.

I have a gut feeling she wasn't a bad person but make bad choices. Not sure that makes sense but I feel it's important to say given the subject matter.


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I agree. I see Toni as someone who was fun loving and enjoyed living on the edge as a young person. Her choices opened her up to risks, however, and now we are hoping law enforcement cares about doing the tedious work needed to determine for sure this is an accident.


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