GUILTY MO - Tyler Dasher, 1, Affton, 15 Nov 2011 - #1

[Donjeta]

Just jumping off your post;

I am confused about the two sets of jammies thing, I feel like I am missing something important in their significance. What does two pairs of the same jammies mean to those of you who think it is hinky? I don't understand how that is hinky. Can someone give me a scenario please? Not being a smartie, I really am wondering. I thought it was mom all along and that it happened after grandma went to work but am missing the jammie thing.

My kids have several sets of some outfits so having two is not hinky as such but I thought it was possible that there really was just one and "oh we have two" was the explanation given why pajamas matching the description of the ones he was supposed to have gone missing in were found at the house.

 

[serveitup]

All this makes me wonder about what life had been like for him. How often did she get angry. How much punishment did child go through before he died not just or necessarily on this occasion but I'm wondering if her mother knew she had problems. Well if she doesn't get the death penalty she has plenty of time for anger management classes!!! Rest in peace little man.

 

[JoeFromLB]

I haven't read every post...I had to stop following - the missing & murdered kids are the hardest

Just wondering if anyone noticed that one FB page Shelby had 'liked' or was it an actual group she had joined (???) you all may have already discussed it...and if so I apologize.

It was called something like DO NOT WAKE ME UP IN THE MORNING OR I WILL KILL YOU.....

No joke, I'm certain many of you saw it......

Honestly, I was not thinking it would be HER that was suspect :furious:

Again, the kids are so difficult to follow.

RIP Tyler Dasher....gone FAR FAR FAR too soon.

from her FB page:

ACTIVITIES: Texting

TV: First 48 Hours

 

[Stella5]

should I jump on my bike & go be a gawker with the others? Naw, it's too chilly for me . . . don't want to get involved or be in the way.

Now, if there was a missing child search going on today, I'd be front & center!

It's 42 degrees... so if you want to freeze LOL! I wish everyone would stay out of the way... there were WAY WAY WAY too many people trying to get their face on tv yesterday and tromping all over the neighborhood possibly destroying evidence! I just want to hear from Bob & Dr. Case already!

 

[nursebeeme]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/person-custody-death-year-mo-boy-14962659#.TsPi7XN9GXw

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ap_dasher_mom_friends_kd_111116_wg.jpg

 

[SyraKelly]

I will tell you, I LOVE sleep. I could sleep the entire day if my family would let me and if I didn't think I was wasting my life away. But how can you ever get mad at your child for waking you early???

It may have had something to do with her young age. I think some mothers get pregnant on accident and they're just too young to appreciate a helpless child. They aren't mature enough to take on the responsibility. They're still way too caught up in their own lives and their selfishness. These are the moms who scare me, imo. And if they add drugs to the mix, they're just playing with fire.

(not to say EVERY young mother is untrustworthy, just some!)

ETA: I was just jumping off your post, Syra, not directing that at you.

This is what I was trying to say in my post..some 20 yr olds are not mature enough to be mothers and they don't want the responsiblity of a child at 20.Thank you for helping me point that out!

 

[TheDuchess]

Actually, fewer children are being murdered and the rate that they're murdered by a parent has remained about the same over the last 25 years; it's just that the news is so immediate and national that we hear about many more of the murders.

From the United States Justice Department about murder of children under five. 60% of murdered children under 5 were murdered by one of their parents.
I can't find newer data about mothers murdering their children under 5, but homicide rates in general have gone way down since 1975.

WOW!!! Only 3% by strangers!!! It does happen, I suppose, but now I really realize why the parents are always suspects. Scary. I had no idea of that statistic. I guess it does make me feel a bit safer for my kids knowing that they aren't going to be killed by me or my family and that the chances of a stranger doing it are quite low. Not that I will give up vigilance, but it does make me feel better knowing that statistic for some reason.

 

[longtallcold]

I am confused by this statement "The boy's father is JE. In April, E's parents were appointed his co-guardians by a St. Louis County Circuit Court judge because he was judged to be incapacitated or disabled."

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...352-5795-9bbf-01bdfa3c688c.html#ixzz1dt0Hz1Rt

 

[davehead21]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/person-custody-death-year-mo-boy-14962659#.TsPi7XN9GXw

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ap_dasher_mom_friends_kd_111116_wg.jpg

Oh my gosh, that picture is heartbreaking.

 

[neese]

I'm only on page 28 of this thread. I'm almost scared to read further, however, I will. The links I have clicked on and watched so far, are now saying the mother is being held on FIRST degree murder charges. My Lord. I was so hoping this is an accidental death and she got scared, but that would probably be 2nd degree or some lesser charge. Please don't tell me this mother intentionally murdered this child. I will read further to find out, however, I did want to say, even if this was an accident, what in the world is causing these mothers to try and cover it up. If I had a child, and there was an accidental death, or an accident happened while I am babysitting the ten month old that I keep, I would immediately call 911 and tell exactly what happened. Why are mothers doing things to cover up?? That leads me back to wondering if DB did the same thing with Baby Lisa. It makes no sense. If I accidentally harmed a child, I would be so devastated that I would tell the truth even if that meant me being arrested. If I ever INTENTIONALLY went bat ***** crazy and harmed a child, then I would want to spend the rest of my life in prison or get the gas chamber or rather lethal injection because that's exactly where I would belong. Has the CA trial made mothers afraid now to admit an accidental death? God, I hope not. I will now continue to read, way back here, and pray that this mother did not intentionally kill this child. I am heartbroken over this. Rest in peace Tyler. God has this one now.

 

[Jaxson]

My kids have several sets of some outfits so having two is not hinky as such but I thought it was possible that there really was just one and "oh we have two" was the explanation given why pajamas matching the description of the ones he was supposed to have gone missing in were found at the house.

My confusion is because they had reported that the pj's had been found in a driveway between home and where he was located but they had a set they were showing, so there actually was two pair. I was thinking premeditation in in that she had purchased to pair in order to have some to show. If tha makes sense...

 

[Stella5]

Screen cap of her liking those pages on facebook... someone has now started a facebook page about that.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.ne...332345254_504980253_21894050_1402196824_n.jpg

 

[prayers4missing]

This is what I was trying to say in my post..some 20 yr olds are not mature enough to be mothers and they don't want the responsiblity of a child at 20.Thank you for helping me point that out!

OT but this always makes me wonder why are children aren't mature at that age now, when 50 years ago (or so) it was the norm to have children at 15. Ya know. My grandmother started having kids that early.

 

[JoeFromLB]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/person-custody-death-year-mo-boy-14962659#.TsPi7XN9GXw

"It says to me it's a pretty sick person," (Police Chief) Fitch said. "Anybody that would take a child and leave a child in a wooded area in that condition needs to be dealt with severely by the criminal justice system."

 

[STEADFAST]

WOW!!! Only 3% by strangers!!! It does happen, I suppose, but now I really realize why the parents are always suspects. Scary. I had no idea of that statistic. I guess it does make me feel a bit safer for my kids knowing that they aren't going to be killed by me or my family and that the chances of a stranger doing it are quite low. Not that I will give up vigilance, but it does make me feel better knowing that statistic for some reason.

Glad to relieve your mind.

However, as children get older, they are increasingly more likely to be killed by a stranger or one of their own acquaintances.

 

[chasing.halos]

I've been following, just haven't posted because this is so awful and as a mama to 2 boys myself, I find murdered little boys to be the hardest on me (not that others are not hard, well, you all know what I mean....)

Rest in peace beautiful Tyler. If any of us could have we would have done anything to save you. Play now with angels Caylee and William. We will make sure justice is sought for you sweetie.

 

[askfornina]

Brpkelly Brian Kelly
Prosecutor's office says expect late morning news on #TylerDasher case. #KMOX

Brpkelly Brian Kelly
#TylerDasher update: Now saying announcement at 2:00pm.

http://twitter.com/#!/Brpkelly

 

[amymarie]

I am confused by this statement "The boy's father is JE. In April, E's parents were appointed his co-guardians by a St. Louis County Circuit Court judge because he was judged to be incapacitated or disabled."

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...352-5795-9bbf-01bdfa3c688c.html#ixzz1dt0Hz1Rt

SD filed a restraining order against the father. The father's parents were then appointed Tyler's co-guardians (I'm assuming this is in place of the father, since the RO probably prohibited him from seeing the boy).

http://www.ksdk.com/rss/article/285...filed-restraining-order-against-childs-father

 

[krimekat]

OT but this always makes me wonder why are children aren't mature at that age now, when 50 years ago (or so) it was the norm to have children at 15. Ya know. My grandmother started having kids that early.

I believe maturity has little to do with chronological age. I agree, my great-gramma started having kids at 13 years old & took care of over 20 kids in less than 20 years. Heck, some neighbors would leave their kidlets with my g-gramma 'cause they had to farm.

Don't know why SOME young adults today are not responsible or mature. I guess it's how they are raised (or not), what media they are exposed to (or not), and how loving families/friends do what they can to help young mothers in need (or not).

Will never begin to understand nor want to . . .

 

[BritsKate]

Actually, fewer children are being murdered and the rate that they're murdered by a parent has remained about the same over the last 25 years; it's just that the news is so immediate and national that we hear about many more of the murders.

From the United States Justice Department about murder of children under five. 60% of murdered children under 5 were murdered by one of their parents.
So, surprisingly, almost 1 in 3 children under five years old murdered from 1975-2005 were murdered by a mother or stepmother. 97% were murdered by a family member or family acquaintance.
I can't find newer data about mothers murdering their children under 5, but homicide rates in general have gone way down since 1975.

Some researchers of filicide dispute these statistics due to incorrect coroner rulings, inability to locate remains, etc. Also, the younger the victim the higher the statistic rises to include parental involvement. While the general statistics dictate 60% it increases exponentially the younger the victim. A study by Dewar states 80% of homicide victims under the age of one is killed by a parent. Under ones are at the most risk with preschool children the 2nd highest likely to be victims of filicide.

One thing that irks me about most national filicide statistics is that no distinction is made between natural and step-parents either. There really should be. JMO and FWIW