Moorers' Bond Hearing - #2

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Also, I haven't had a chance to read thru the all the updates but plan to tonight. Thank you in advance to all of you who came here to record the events as they unfolded. I have some catching up to do later!
 
  • #503
I would think their phones and computers are still in police custody. :twocents:
 
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The Elvis's did not seem overly distressed about the bond.

I think they had been told this judge was likely to grant bond. There are cases where murderers are out on bond for long periods before trial. I think there is a good chance they could be found guilty on the circumstantial evidence. I worry more about some other cases than this one. Of course I hope something hits the fan yet that makes their guilt undeniable. I think Tammy will fulfill some of our expectations of misbehavior from her. I hope no one else is physically harmed by her or her family members. Well if she harms Sydney, he had to have her and stick by her so far.
 
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I wasn't surprised. I quickly got the impression that this judge believes in a bond set for just about everyone. In a sense, I understand. I'd hate to be sitting in jail for a few years for a crime I didn't commit. (I will say I absolutely believe TM and SM kidnapped and murdered Heather.)
Not sure about the defense attorneys rantings .. I think SM has better attorney. It's his job to put any doubt on SM's involvement. I think because of the gag order, he hasn't been able to plant seeds like he'd like to and he jumped on this opportunity to have people question the state's case. All just my opinion. Seems to me, if no real evidence, my client wouldn't sit in jail for almost a year. Seems to me that you'd push to get charges dismissed, but hey, I'm not a legal expert.
I don't think the state was given the opportunity to present evidence, but this is not a trial, so I agree on that.
Finally, I have to say I've watched the interview with Mrs. Elvis that Knox posted and I'm always amazed at the Elvis family strength, faith, and class. She just wants her daughter back, a sentiment that most parents can understand. (Apparently, not SM and TM though) I pray for the Elvis family to get answers soon .. I hope the searches resume for Heather. Her poor family deserves to give her a proper burial.
 
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This is where I think they hurt their own case. They said she was murdered at PTL, without any direct evidence to support their claim, and it appeared when the charges were publicized that there was also no physical evidence (at PTL). Based on the LE documents and statements, it has seemed to me that they believe/claim that because there was contact between SM and HE in the early hours, and because her car ended up at PTL, and because the M's vehicle was (allegedly) seen going toward and coming back from PTL shortly after HE's car arrived there, she was killed there.

I just don't think that's going to be tenable in court, particularly once the defense commences its counter-arguments. LE has said there's no reason to believe she didn't drive herself there. They never said they have proof she did. I'm not saying she didn't, although I've wondered many times if she was the one that took the car there, but the issue for the state seems to be that while there may be compelling circumstantial evidence in some aspects of the case, nothing proves the M's and Heather encountered one another at PTL. Certainly nothing direct or physical (it appears) proves Heather was killed at that location. Yet the probable cause documents reflect she was killed there.

I just think this is extremely problematic.


They have her cell phone pinging along the way then her car is found there at PTL
 
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PeterThomasFan I so agree with you. LE letting father drive the car away was a huge mistake! Wonder what other mistakes they have made that we are unaware of? After today, their case seems very weak. This couple are not that smart to commit the perfect murder. IMO. What went wrong in collecting evidence?

I do think TM will be the one to land herself back in jail. When she realizes that her husband is going to live separate from her, I believe her temper will take over.
 
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I'm just sick,sad and disgusted...with the M's,the C's,LE and the State's "case". Poor Heather.:banghead::(
 
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WMBF News
News crew en route to J. Reuben Long Detention Center Tammy Moorer in process of posting bond ‪#‎HeatherWMBF‬ ‪#‎HeatherElvis‬
 
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The vast majority of murder cases are "only" circumstantial cases.

DNA is not needed to convict someone of murder, though of course it's best if they have it. Ditto having a body.

- A jury (any jury) will have to wonder why SM was calling HE that night/morning and why HE then told her roommate SM called her, why HE was told SM had left his wife and wanted to get back together. Further a jury will have to wonder why it was so urgent that SM tell HE this news after 1:30am that very night/morning...within 2 hours of her disappearing.

- A jury will have to wonder why HE's cell phone, known to be with her (verified with a photo taken earlier in the evening when on a date) was at around 3:30am-ish pinging and showing a GPS trail leading to PTL at the exact same time as a black truck.

- A jury will have to wonder why HE's vehicle was left at PTL and why her cell phone stopped transmitting after arriving at PTL at at the same time as the black truck.

- A jury will have to wonder why HE was suddenly in touch with SM, and why SM lied and said 'nope not been in touch with her since a couple months ago' then seen on video at a payphone that very night same time as HE gets a call from a payphone.

- A jury will have to wonder why HE left her apt and how HE's car came to be at PTL at the same time as that black truck, then was never seen again.
 
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FYI, the judge did say "surety bond" during the hearing.
 
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The vast majority of murder cases are "only" circumstantial cases.

DNA is not needed to convict someone of murder, though of course it's best if they have it. Ditto having a body.

- A jury (any jury) will have to wonder why SM was calling HE that night/morning and why HE then told her roommate SM called hr and wanted to get back together.

- A jury will have to wonder why HE's cell phone, known to be with her (verified with a phone from earlier in the evening when on a date) was pinging and showing a GPS trail leading to PTL at the exact same time as a black truck.

- A jury will have to wonder why HE's vehicle was left at PTL and why her cell phone stopped transmitting after arriving at PTL at at the same time as the black truck.

- A jury will have to wonder why HE was suddenly in touch with SM, and why SM lied and said 'nope not been in touch with her since a couple months ago' then seen on video at a payphone that very night same time as HE gets a call from a payphone.

- A jury will have to wonder why HE left her apt and how HE's car came to be at PTL at the same time as that black truck, then was never seen again.

But they will also have to wonder if 'beyond a reasonable doubt' it could've been someone else.

The defense stated several times today that the state had 'other credible leads' that they did not follow up on. Don't know what those look like (yet) but I'm sure they will use those to paint the picture that it 'could have' been something other than what the Prosecutor is presenting.

~sigh~

PS: Just posted a question in the 'evidence' thread -- not sure that's the right place exactly for it..?
 
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Remember when Casey Anthony was bonded out and was at home after arrest? Think TM will have a peaceful vacation-like time of it? Just think, if she and SM do end up getting convicted of murder after experiencing a few months of freedom, going back to prison will be all the harder.
 
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But they will also have to wonder if 'beyond a reasonable doubt' it could've been someone else.

The defense stated several times today that the state had 'other credible leads' that they did not follow up on. Don't know what those look like (yet) but I'm sure they will use those to paint the picture that it 'could have' been something other than what the Prosecutor is presenting.

~sigh~

PS: Just posted a question in the 'evidence' thread -- not sure that's the right place exactly for it..?

Sure, a jury will have to wonder if there's been such a coinky-dink that another black truck (not SM's of course) just happened by chance to go to PTL at the exact same time at HE's phone and car and that other random person with black truck decided to take HE, cause her phone to stop pinging, and disappear her the very same night that SM out of the blue decided to call HE and tell her he had left his wife. That's some coinky-dink, eh?
 
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Just imagine if SM meets a new young woman, one with dark hair and lots of personality, that'll send her over the edge.
 
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Remember when Casey Anthony was bonded out and was at home after arrest? Think TM will have a peaceful vacation-like time of it? Just think, if she and SM do end up getting convicted of murder after experiencing a few months of freedom, going back to prison will be all the harder.

I will never forget that circus...Baez said Caylee was never missing
 
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They have her cell phone pinging along the way then her car is found there at PTL

When were "ping" records released? And how does her cell phone record equal her location? My point is, LE has said the indicators are that she drove herself and they have no reason to think she didn't. In a court, this is hardly proof. But regardless, there is no direct evidence of anything, the defense has come up with 5 other scenarios under which she could have gone missing, and it appears there was no physical evidence at the alleged scene of the murder. So, even if she drove there and even if there existed a video of that much (which there doesn't), there's nothing to show that she was killed there. There is simply a theory.

I find this problematic. How was she killed? How long did it take? What happened then? LE itself said they may never even know the means. This strikes me as an obstacle. No physical evidence, no idea how she died, but they know she was killed in a matter of moments at the PTL site?
 
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