More Than 1,000 Dead Birds Fall From Arkansas Sky

[essies]

[video=youtube;oopKb9dnOdU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oopKb9dnOdU[/video]

 

[bessie]

I don't think there is any one reason for all the die offs and yet, in a sense, there is one actually. IMO Our world, in fact, our universe is all about harmony and the balance of nature. I think there is room for a natural reason for "some" of the die offs-however, man has tampered so much with this world and its balance (and not been truthful about many things) that it is difficult to not suspect something more than MSM reasons (especially when they are insulting to your intelligence) and when they are happening world-wide!
Should we question what's happening? Darn right we should!! There's nothing wrong with brainstorming and doing some critical thinking about the state of our world. I'm not wearing a tin-foil hat-but I do wear one with a magnifying glass. To look at one incident without seeing the whole picture in context will lead to wrong conclusions.
For instance, if you just look at a brick-you will only see the brick! But, pull back and you will see that the brick is a part of a wall-that is part of a property-that is in a neighborhood-which is in a county that is part of a state-that is part of a country-which is part of a continent-that is part of a planet called Earth-which is only a small part of our universe!

respectfully snipped

I couldn't go any further without stopping to say:
:goodpost: Excellent post, actually. Now, to check out that link...

 

[IWannaKnow]

I totally agree bessie. That was an awesome post essies. Thank you for stating that so well. And that link was unbelievable! What a great tool. I can only guess at how many hours went into building that. Thank you for bringing that here. :hug:

I'm digging into other reports of falling birds from previous years to see if there is any precedent for this. There are some, the earliest one I've found is 2006 in England, 75 starlings, no discernable cause. I will post more on all that when I've got it down.

I want to bring this out, don't think it is in the thread anywhere:
http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local/Woman-reports-dozens-of-dead-birds-in-her-yard-112830524.html

This is about the Gilbertsville KY die off. Read the comments. K. M. posted on Jan 7 that she has a large, well stocked pond on her property in Greenville KY. "Last Thursday" (Dec 30th) they found 30+ lb catfish and grass carp all floating and similar incident "yesterday" (Jan 6?). Local officials telling her oxygen stress. She also says she has seen more vultures flying over the ponds lately.......

The Arkansas fish kill was discovered the same day (or maybe the day before) IIRC....

Her address was easy to find and there is a large pond within the area FWIW....

 

[IWannaKnow]

I don't understand why some find it ridiculous that water birds would roost under a bridge. One often finds water under a bridge (I would guess almost always in East Texas), and a bridge would provide cover, rendering the flock invisible to predators flying overhead, such as the eagles noted in the article.

Saying coots roost under bridges doesn't mean they never come out. Nor does it mean they roost on the bridge spans; they might well be in the water under the bridge.

Nova you could totally be right, and I stated in the ETA on my post that I realized that could be what they meant. Seemingly the American Coot is not a terribly beloved bird, and there is very little information on them that I can find. They definitely build their nests in the water and I think with the feet they have it would be difficult to roost on anything other than a platform.

http://www.bird-friends.com/BirdPage.php?name=American Coot

So you could be right, they could be nesting under the bridge, but they way they fly, they would not get over the bridge if they were under it....dunno if that makes any sense. (essie - can you find a coot taking off video??) They flap their wings and run across the water to get going and it takes a while to lift off. So if they are under the bridge and take off, they will be a distance away from the bridge before they are airborne. Splitting hairs I understand, but I don't know any other way to go about this. Additionally, they nest amongst cattails for the protection, and looking at the satellite images of the bridge, it doesn't appear to have shallow, marshy edges around that bridge. I've looked for the height of the bridge compared to the water height, but I have to assume it isn't so low that boats can't go under it. Admittedly the google earth and regular satellite images haven't been very helpful.

Witness reports of birds falling report that the birds were falling out of the sky and the cars drove through them, not that the cars struck healthy birds causing them to fall.....FWIW.

 

[IWannaKnow]

Yeah, right below the CNN building, but we don't have video of it. Birds are dropping on Sunset and homeless people are grilling them for food but that isn't news worthy?????

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/6218358/371_dead_birds_fall_from_sky_on_las.html?cat=9
371 Dead Birds Fall from Sky on LA's Sunset Blvd; Similar to California, Arkansas, Louisiana Bird Drops
Adam Michael Luebke, Yahoo! Contributor Network
Jan 13, 2011

The bird drop happened just after noon, and word of mouth passed quickly. I heard about the horrific event from my neighbor, who happens to whistle when he talks and has a goiter on his neck. By the time I arrived at Sunset and Cahuenga, confusion was in full swing and the homelesses were busy picking up the dead birds and stuffing them into their dirty jacket pockets.

The dead birds in this incident were exclusively pigeons, but for the homelesses, they were food. One man had already cleaned his fowl and was arguing with a hot dog vendor about frying it on his hot dog grill. The homeless held a bloody knife and shook the pigeon in the vendor's face. The pigeon's entrails hung at least a foot from the pigeon's slashed belly. The guts swayed as the homeless man passionately pointed his knife at the hot dog grill.

I talked into my voice recorder trying to understand this mess. There were no officials or news crews of any kind. A horn honked and I looked up in time to see a homeless man get hit by a car as he bent to pick up a dead pigeon in the street. The car had hit its brakes and only tapped the homeless. He still fell and rolled a few feet from the car. Nobody dared help him, everybody knew homelesses stunk and carried disease. The man, still holding his pigeon, stood slowly, brushed off his jacket and pants, and moved back to the sidewalk. The angry motorists honked and some gave him the finger as they drove by. He had dared hold up traffic in L.A., on Sunset, of all places.

The hot dog vendor had abandoned his cart and a dozen or more homelesses were cutting the breasts out of the pigeon corpses and grilling the meat. They had formed a small mob. One whole pigeon corpse, still with feathers and not gutted, sat atop the grill. Soon the smell of burning feathers filled the air—a putrid stench that made me cough into my voice recorder.

http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/fallen-dead-birds-eaten-by-america-s-homeless
Fallen dead birds eaten by America's homeless
January 15th, 2011 2:21 am ET
Deborah Dupre

As the human right to food continues to be violated in the U.S., birds falling to their death on swanky Sunset Boulevard were stuffed into jackets of the City of Angel's poor and hungry or barbecued onsite Friday. Bird suicides have rocked the world as they have fallen in California, Arkansas, Kentucky, Alabama, Louisiana, Texas, Missouri as well as other countries such as Sweden, Romania, New Zealand and Italy.

Wow. This isn't making the news.....

Stephen King couldn't write this stuff

:couch:

ETA: I'm trying to verify this story now. I'm not having any luck. This person is the only one reporting this event. Take that for what you will. He is writing a novel.

http://contributor.yahoo.com/user/134735/adam_michael_luebke.html
Adam Michael Luebke
Adam Michael Luebke is writing a novel titled Parade of Bums, and working on a collection of short fiction stories. He is obsessed with opium, guttural sounds, progressive occultism, and Rudolf Steiner. Mr. Luebke has a blog tailored for the short American attention-span at: www.stickitup
youramericandream.blogspot.com

 

[IWannaKnow]

http://www.fox2now.com/news/ktvi-dozens-birds-dead-near-sullivan-011110,0,7149317.story

Dozens Of Dead Birds Found Near Sullivan, Mo.
By Chris Regnier

FOX2now.com

4:39 p.m. CST, January 11, 2011

Sulllivan, Mo. (KTVI-FOX2now.com) — Dozens of dead birds are discovered near Sullivan, Missouri about an hour southwest of St. Louis. People in and around Sullivan are calling the whole thing a little weird. The scene is just east of Sullivan along the I-44 south service road at Winsel Creek. The Missouri Department of Conservation is looking into the situation.

It was discovered on Monday.

Experts there and with the World Bird Sanctuary in Valley Park say the dead birds are Starlings. Starlings are among the dead birds that have been found in several other states recently.

"They were just scattered everywhere, just all over the place, you just really couldn't believe it unless you saw it for yourself," explained Bartle.

More than 50 dead birds can be seen in the newspaper pictures.

But Bartle says there could have been many more in a nearby field.

 

[Missizzy]

Dead birds falling on Sunset Blvd. not getting massive press is almost unbelievable. That makes no sense at all. I'm also not totally buying it that the homeless are scooping them up for barbecues. There are some mighty upscale groceries stores and shops along Sunset where the homeless hang out. They get hand-outs and scavenge in the trash. I just don't see more than a couple of people scooping them up. The police would be all over small open fires at this time of year.

I agree, IWannaKnow, that sounds like a movie plot.

No mainstream press? And how in the heck do they know that 371 fell if people are picking them up like dollar bills? That one sounds very iffy to me. Sunset and Cahuenga? That's a shopping area full of fancy restaurants and some big chains like Urban Outfitters. I think if this would have happened, Gov. Brown would send the National Guard. I think that's also near the parking for the Academy Awards. Hmmmm.

Check the Associated Content article again. It really sounds like a spoof. Not a funny one, at that.

 

[IWannaKnow]

I know Missizzy. I agree. I'm having a hard time believing it as well. I think if he had written it differently it might have been more believable, however he does state that there were no police or news crews ANYWHERE. Don't know how I feel about that either since it was supposedly right at the front door of CNN.

HOWEVER -
I found this:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/01/15/state/n103144S20.DTL

Nearly a dozen fires set in Hollywood trash bins
Associated Press January 15, 2011 10:31 AM
Copyright Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
Saturday, January 15, 2011

Says there were a dozen small fires in trash cans. The first started on Sunset and Highland Ave, followed by at least eight others every 10 min. or so. Said 11 bins were set on fire in a one-mile radius. That would have been yesterday. The original article was published the 13th, and said the event started at noon that day. So by my calculations that was 1 1/2 days between the bird kill and all the trash fires in the same location. Keep in mind that the article states the people immediately ate several of the birds, commandeering a hot dog cart to do so. IDK, but it would make sense to me that if only a few people picked up that many birds, they would still be eating them a day and a half later.....

Grrrrrrrrrrrrr- I can't get the map to post....sorry. IDK why. But we are talking 1/2 mile between where he says the birds fell and all these trash fires....but google 6430 Sunset Blvd and Highland Dr.....

I was very suspicious about the lack of photos and corroborating evidence. But I have since realized there have only been one or maybe two photos of all of the other events too. Beebe had the most coverage, some of the others have gotten none at all. If this happened a noon on Sunset and the homeless had them picked up almost as soon as they fell, I can actually see no one else noticing this. :crazy: How many people do you think really study what homeless people are doing as they drive through?? The guy that covered it is writing a book about the homeless, so I can see him getting this info......

I submit this for your consideration:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ghetto Chicken

Ghetto chicken = slang for pigeon.

I've seen posts which state they will eat pigeons, some say it is a common practice. IDK. I know if I were homeless and managed to catch and kill one I would surely cook and eat it. Dunno if I would do that for them falling out of the sky around me.....

Finally, this.
http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2011/01/peter_fonda_dead_body.php
Peter Fonda Stumbles Upon Dead Body In Car
-- An Apparent Roadside Suicide In Pacific Palisades
By Simone Wilson, Thu., Jan. 13 2011 @ 1:26PM

So yeah, the dead-man thing happened. Yesterday at about 2 p.m., Fonda spotted a parked vehicle on the 300 block of Los Liones Drive, just off Sunset...

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=12604532
Police: Actor Peter Fonda Finds Dead Body in Car
LOS ANGELES January 12, 2011 (AP)

"Easy Rider" actor called 911 on Wednesday after he spotted a car parked on the side of Sunset Boulevard.

So, he found the body about 2 pm on 1/12/11, less than 24 hrs before this event. The map shows it was quite a ways away, about 18 miles. That seemed to be the big news item for that day......

 

[essies]

Nova you could totally be right, and I stated in the ETA on my post that I realized that could be what they meant. Seemingly the American Coot is not a terribly beloved bird, and there is very little information on them that I can find. They definitely build their nests in the water and I think with the feet they have it would be difficult to roost on anything other than a platform.

http://www.bird-friends.com/BirdPage.php?name=American Coot

So you could be right, they could be nesting under the bridge, but they way they fly, they would not get over the bridge if they were under it....dunno if that makes any sense. (essie - can you find a coot taking off video??) They flap their wings and run across the water to get going and it takes a while to lift off. So if they are under the bridge and take off, they will be a distance away from the bridge before they are airborne. Splitting hairs I understand, but I don't know any other way to go about this. Additionally, they nest amongst cattails for the protection, and looking at the satellite images of the bridge, it doesn't appear to have shallow, marshy edges around that bridge. I've looked for the height of the bridge compared to the water height, but I have to assume it isn't so low that boats can't go under it. Admittedly the google earth and regular satellite images haven't been very helpful.

Witness reports of birds falling report that the birds were falling out of the sky and the cars drove through them, not that the cars struck healthy birds causing them to fall.....FWIW.

Here's the best I can find - poor bird really seems to have a hard time doing much besides walking and swimming! I can't find any video of a coot actually lifting off the ground. From what I can see-if they get off the ground-they don't or can't stay airborne very long!:waitasec:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRIXOEuTmcE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQChcXknzR4
[video=youtube;8NNPgStuLoc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NNPgStuLoc[/video]

 

[IWannaKnow]

Thank you essies. That was about what I expected to see. That must be a really low bridge or I really do not understand this situation.

 

[IWannaKnow]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3352539/Dead-100-fish-add-to-animal-mystery.html
Dead 100 fish add to animal mystery
By STAFF REPORTER
Published: 14 Jan 2011

Welsh families awoke this morning to find 100 dead carp, bream and roach fish floating in the waters of the Monmouthshire and Brecon Canal in Cwmbran.

"I think they could have been frozen in the ice, but at the same time it was a bit of a shock especially with all these animal deaths we keep hearing about.

 

[IWannaKnow]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-N...-of-dead-birds/UPI-38401294613708/?dailybrief

Canadian farmer finds flock of dead birds
Published: Jan. 9, 2011 at 5:55 PM

Farmer Sylvain Turmel told the Canadian Broadcasting Corp. he found about 80 dead pigeons Dec. 18 on his land in St.-Augustin-de-Desmaures, west of Quebec City.

"I found two dead birds in the morning, which is normal; birds sometimes die," he said. "But when I came back one hour later, another 25 had fallen. In the time it took me to pick them up, five more fell to the ground."

Turmel called police and the fire department. While they were there, more birds fell from the sky.

He said provincial wildlife officials are mystified.

"All they can tell me is that it's not avian influenza, it's not the West Nile virus, and it's not poison. It won't stop. I'm finding more birds every day," he said.

Turmel said that once they fall, the pigeons usually lie on the ground for an hour or two before dying.

DECEMBER 18. Sounds much like the other reports, just about two weeks earlier.

 

[IWannaKnow]

http://www.globalsaskatoon.com/Dead+birds+found+Bonnie+Doon+area/4104400/story.html
Dead birds found in Bonnie Doon area
Linda Hoang, Global News: Thursday, January 13, 2011

About two dozen small birds were found in the area of 92 Street and 93 Avenue.


According to a spokesperson for Fish and Wildlife it appears that the birds died from blunt force trauma. The birds were likely roosting and eating berries. Something likely startled them, putting them into the path of a large truck.

 

[IWannaKnow]

http://lubbockonline.com/local-news/2011-01-07/dead-birds-reported-plainview
Dead birds reported in Plainview
Posted: January 7, 2011 - 12:11am
By ALYSSA DIZON
AVALANCHE-JOURNAL

PLAINVIEW — Wildlife officials said the death of about 35 birds during the weekend was likely caused by strong winds.

Greg Gutierrez, a Plainview animal control officer, said he received a call from the police department about a woman who saw a large group of dead grackles at around 10 a.m. Sunday.

The grackles were primarily scattered in a parking lot at 24th Street and Yonkers Street, with some in the next block.

“It was unusual,” said Gutierrez, who had been an animal control officer for the city for three years. “I hadn’t seen that many dead birds in an isolated area.”

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Hi everybody! I just want to say to you all how very much I am enjoying this thread. The research that many of you are doing is astounding, thank you for that. I haven't been participating much because I don't always understand the scientific jargon but I am reading and following along daily. (I am a creative type, LOL)

With that said, I wanted to share my Sunday afternoon bird encounter with all of you.

We live on the NC coast on a waterfront property. I always step out on the 3rd floor deck to feed my stale bread to the seagulls and starlings. It is fun to watch the gulls dive midflight to catch the bread that we throw. Yesterday afternoon, my dbf's nephew and I went out to throw bread to the birds. He was tossing the pieces into the air and I held one out over the deck in my hand to see if a gull would dive down and take it from me.

As I stood there waiting patiently for a brave taker, suddenly this female Starling came out of nowhere, feathers a fluttering while she tried to hover at my extended hand for long enough to take it. And she did! Dear Nephew (he is 28) looked at me with a dropped jaw, LOL!

So we both began to issue the 'bird dare' and do you know, that little Starling circled around and took the bread from my hand thrice more! (Poor Nephew never had a taker)

Her little feathers felt so delicate as they fluttered against my fingers. It was a simply amazing experience! Thank God for little miracles on a beautiful Sunday afternoon!

Afterwards, I came inside and immediately washed my hands in hot soapy water, LOL!

wm

 

[hockeymom]

Could be nothing,could be something,but now its cows in Wisconsin.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...ss-death-U-S-disease-thought-killed-them.html

just saw there is a whold thread on it.

 

[IWannaKnow]

http://www.yankton.net/articles/2011/01/18/community/doc4d350065ea41b714445859.txt
Yankton Sees Bird Kill-Off
Officials: Cause Of The Deaths Poses No Danger To Humans
By Nathan Johnson
[email protected]
Published: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 1:09 AM CST

It is estimated that more than 200 dead starlings were found in downtown Yankton Monday. However, it is not believed the deaths pose a threat to humans.

Yankton Animal Control Officer Lisa Brasel estimated that she collected 200 starlings Monday, and employees of the city Parks and Recreation Department were also on the scene picking up deceased birds. The total number of corpses gathered up by city employees has not yet been compiled.

“I talked to one of the local vets, and they said there is nothing wrong (with the birds),” said Brasel, who took specimens to a veterinary office. “They just didn’t migrate and are dying. I was going to call the South Dakota Department of Health to see what they have to say about it, but they are closed today (because of Martin Luther King Day).”

The birds were found around trees on the north side of Riverside Park, as well as on the north side of Second Street between Capitol and Pine streets.

However, scientists have been downplaying the events.

“Five billion birds die in the U.S. every year,” Melanie Driscoll, a biologist and director of bird conservation for the Gulf of Mexico and Mississippi Flyway for the National Audubon Society, told the New York Times recently.

That means 13.7 million birds die in the United States every day, the Times points out.

Brasel said that, in more than 10 years in the animal control field, she had never witnessed anything like it.

Late Monday afternoon, after city crews had picked up many of the birds, some corpses still remained.

“I would go to pick up one bird, and I’d find a pile four birds deep,” Brasel said.

Some dead birds remained clinging to the trees. She called the scene “creepy.”

“I did find a couple that were alive, and I took them to the vet clinic,” Brasel said. “They died within 20 minutes. They seem to be healthy. They are not skinny like they’re starving to death.”

 

[IWannaKnow]

I mean this question sincerely, and do not wish to insult anyones opinion of what is happening in this very serious situation.....however I cannot get past the question of if this is HAARP or the magnetic pole shifting, why aren't every bird, fish and animal on the planet reacting to this? And why only certain areas? HAARP or the magnetic field should be the same over a few mile radius, if not the whole earth.....

In my very humble opinion, if either of these were the issue, animals, birds and fish - especially dolphins, whales and bats should be piled up in 7ft drifts. I'm not saying that them messing with the atmosphere isn't affecting us, I just don't understand how either could be causing these animal deaths due to the sporadic nature and varied locations of the die-offs. :waitasec:

 

[waltzingmatilda]

IWK, I am not very scientifically minded, but your question about locations made me ponder.

I know many of these kills/suicides have occured near water. (am I right?)

I am wondering if these locations are near military installations.

What are your thoughts?

wm

BTW, I haven't heard ANYTHING about the task force that was set up for the pelican deaths at Topsail Is. NC. There was lots of news around here for a period of time and conflicting reports of manmade vs. natural causes for the deaths. Suddenly, NO NEWS since all the other bird deaths. just to note....Topsail is near Camp LeJeune/Jacksonville, NC.

I saw a pod of dolphins feeding in the canal early this morning. It is common behavior for them to feed in inshore waters during the winter months. I know this from years of observation.....LOL, I guess I am somewhat scientifically inclined!

MOO

wm

 

[IWannaKnow]

wm - Each incident I have been able to find involves water in some fashion. Even the Wisconsin cows had large lakes in the area, and it has been confirmed there are many lakes in that area. I think that a cold, cumulus, corexit laden cloud/s passes over a large pond or lake in a warm area and sucks more moisture off the pond which then super saturates the cloud and stimulates it to dump its contaminated contents somewhere nearby, usually on some wildlife that makes its home near that body of water. Blackbirds, grackles, starlings, coots etc all make their homes in the reeds in the shallow water at the edges of lakes and ponds. If they are not in the pond they are near by. The fish........well they are just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

One thing about the pelicans I can't understand is they say they have been washing up for a while, and each one has similar injuries, i.e. specific injuries to the same wing on each bird. I can't imagine a natural situation that would result in that unless they are washing into a specific area and being washed up against a rock....still....the same wing??? I would love to see any local articles you can come up with.